Meaning there has to be at least one attempt by the MC to forego everything else and just black the fuck out on the spit. Concepts might be the exception but even then I think blackout verses can happen. I ain't tested this theory yet, but just realize that when i listen to a rap album I'm literally listening for the blackout verse. No matter how tight everything else might be, without that something feels lacking.

Poll question: True or False: A rap album isn't a rap album without a blackout verse

Poll result (18 votes) True (2 votes) Vote False (16 votes) Vote

Is there a bar limit?

Can it have a concept?

If there is a bar limit and it's a group album where the MCs evenly distribute the bars, does this mean a group like Kast doesn't have a rap album to their name?

I said it could be conceptual. I think the key to a blackout verse though is just clear show and prove that one is masterful with their words. They they can lyrically hold you in the pocket for the length of a song without need for additives to make you think you like it.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Again, the amount of bars seems important because everyone qualifies a verse as blacking out if they rhyme for 40+ bars or so.

Can an MC not black out with 16 bars?

I consider "Against the Grain" a blackout joint, and that has a hook even if it's just repeat the name of the song.

It's one of those you know it when you hear i type things.

I think the value of the blackout verse is getting more and more lost. I mean there was a time when you had Organized Konfusion making whole albums of blackout verses (yes I realized I just broadened the scope too much). Nigga hear a beat. Don't think about hooks or being catchy, but is just got that oooohhhh imma murder that shit ethos.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

That's an undeniable classic to me without any "Blackout verse" and Biz isn't even really someone who that description would fit but it's still a great album and most definitely a real rap record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkqAEX7xFL8

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Well when you said the MC Blacked out I assumed you meant the guy who's album it was not a guest MC. I still think the point stands because Biz wasn't that kind of MC. Lots of my favorite MC's aren't. Jeru didn't on The Sun Rises In The East. Doug E Fresh isn't someone I would ever describe as blacking out on a track. Chuck D, Q Tip or Paris either unless you are expanding your definition of Blacking out to be extremely wide. I take Blacking out to mean an MC just going for his showing that no one can fuck with him (or her) on the mic on some straight I'm better than you type shit. I don't think you have to be in that lane to be Hip Hop or make a great rap album.

Just wanted curb any well he ain't write it shit. I think I'm using blackout in the most liberal sense, state as much above. As an indication that at some point in the making of the album the artist set to show and prove they are a dope MC.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>Just wanted curb any well he ain't write it shit. I think
>I'm using blackout in the most liberal sense, state as much
>above. As an indication that at some point in the making of
>the album the artist set to show and prove they are a dope
>MC.

That is most definitely using Blacking out in the most liberal sense I could possibly imagine. But then if you do then I really don't understand your poll. You asked if an album can be a true Rap album without a "Blackout verse" and when people give examples of it you say oh no well they executed the song well so that is Blacking out. So then why the need for the poll if your going to actually argue that Biz or some other MC who isn't even trying to show how ill they are did blackout? I guess I'm just not understanding the point of your poll if you are going to be that liberal with the term Blacking out.
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like can you see that, based on my descriptions so far liberal as they may be. it's a display of lyrical skill. Kane wrote it is the only 'complication'. But Biz owned it. He didn't fumble like Dre spitting a ___ verse... feel me?

It's not the execution of the song. it's owning the verse. Owning the mic for a verse.

I know folk use blackout for 40 bar spit and shit like that, but its the intent behind it not the length.

I fucked up using blackout because of that, but I don't know how else to describe

Redman made albums of blackout verses. I'm not even saying it has to be the best or good for that matter, it's just the attempt to show you da best on the mic has to be displayed somewhere.

"Goin Off" qualifies because on that track Biz is clearly just showing off even if BDK wrote it.

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>like can you see that, based on my descriptions so far
>liberal as they may be. it's a display of lyrical skill. Kane
>wrote it is the only 'complication'. But Biz owned it. He
>didn't fumble like Dre spitting a ___ verse... feel me?
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>It's not the execution of the song. it's owning the verse.
>Owning the mic for a verse.
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>I know folk use blackout for 40 bar spit and shit like that,
>but its the intent behind it not the length.

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>I fucked up using blackout because of that, but I don't know
>how else to describe

Because that's exactly how I interpreted what you said. I think a lot of other people in here thought the same as me though. If someone asked me for examples of Blackout verses I would think of BDK, Canibus, Chino, OC, etc and not MC's like Biz, Chuck or Doug E Fresh who aren't trying to prove they are the best to ever touch a mic and murder MC's.
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>Redman made albums of blackout verses. I'm not even saying it
>has to be the best or good for that matter, it's just the
>attempt to show you da best on the mic has to be displayed
>somewhere.

See that's where I'm still not clear because I don't think Biz does that. His whole intent is the fun loving, weird, quirky, crowd rocking MC in that Busy Bee line of party MC's and not the Moe Dee or Caz model. Biz is much more concerned with making you laugh than "Blacking out" or "Killing It".
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>"Goin Off" qualifies because on that track Biz is clearly just
>showing off even if BDK wrote it.

So let me ask you this...can you give me an example of what you're describing so I can get a better clue as to what you mean? You mentioned Dre earlier but he's clearly a producer and not an MC. He wants to let Kurupt or Snoop or whoever handle the real MC shit.
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Sayin "fuck yo blackout verse"!



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Try to figure out which of the albums verses *ARE* the blackout verses. Every one that's been mentioned so far has one.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

(maybe an exception for kurupt)

On some high leek lyrical shit but yeah.

him AND thought "blackedout" on that joint.

It's hard to fit a blackout on a themed album like that. My first thought was one of Porn's verses on Kool On....but idk....it's debatable.

YES.

By that logic Too $hort didn't make true rap albums? Scarface didn't make true rap albums? DJ Quik didn't make true rap albums?

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

^ fixed it for you.

This has absolutely nothing to do with rappity rap. And reducing it to rappity rap is what's wrong with the perceptions of rap. Mofo's just need to accept the fact they don't like rap.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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and so by the power of logic the claim is not limited to rappity rap albums.

bah... your edits suck.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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