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Topic subjectDrake - Nothing Was The Same (2013) [Official Post]
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2840933, Drake - Nothing Was The Same (2013) [Official Post]
Posted by Madvillain 626, Sun Sep-15-13 10:43 PM
Yep, it's out there. Good fucking night.

Let's talk about it.

2840943, word cant find it yet..did the usual searches
Posted by Heinz, Sun Sep-15-13 10:59 PM
inbox?
2840947, Tuscan Leather though.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Sep-15-13 11:08 PM
2840953, This sound like what Wale wanted to do with the Gifted but not as talented
Posted by Menphyel7, Sun Sep-15-13 11:33 PM
2840963, RE: This sound like what Wale wanted to do with the Gifted but not as talented
Posted by ClintonLee, Mon Sep-16-13 12:36 AM
co-sign this.
feeling it so far.
2840955, Worst Behavior either gonna be loved or hated
Posted by Menphyel7, Sun Sep-15-13 11:36 PM
Im loving it right now
2840960, sounds like a lost Yeezus cut. dope.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Sep-16-13 12:11 AM
2841114, RE: sounds like a lost Yeezus cut. dope.
Posted by Goose, Mon Sep-16-13 01:55 PM
Haha I thought that too.
2840965, A Chris Brown diss track is on this album......
Posted by Kira, Mon Sep-16-13 01:18 AM
This that extra Aloe Vera beef.
2841034, it ain't beef, it's tofu
Posted by Oak27, Mon Sep-16-13 09:23 AM
2842956, not even tofu, that bullshit is Spam jelly
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Mon Sep-23-13 06:33 PM
2840973, do most people on this board like drake?
Posted by joe kong, Mon Sep-16-13 02:27 AM
i generally don't like him and think he's a wiener, but i gave the album a serious listen and didn't think it was awful, just really fucking boring
2840975, This one is the closest to So Far Gone
Posted by IslaSoul, Mon Sep-16-13 03:19 AM

and his most cohesive so far.

2840976, RE: This one is the closest to So Far Gone
Posted by soulmatic, Mon Sep-16-13 03:33 AM
you mean out of his only OTHER album? lol
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I got Chad in my heart and DJ Screw in my cup.
2840977, Thank Me Later & Take Care n/m
Posted by IslaSoul, Mon Sep-16-13 03:37 AM
2840978, His worst album to date.
Posted by Ashley Ayers, Mon Sep-16-13 04:49 AM
First, I have to say...
He's really smoking some good shit if he thinks Kendrick isn't murking
him "on any level". For one, Kendrick will rap 3 solid verses per
song. You can't sing and chant for 2/3rds of every song and drop ONE
verse here and there and call yourself no best doing it. Foh lol.

I waited on this album, because I wanted to see if he was gonna back
all that talk up. Naw bruh. Shit weak.

Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nothing Was The Same

BetterOffDEAD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nothing Was The Same

Cute Rick Ross impression on "Worst Behavior" though.

Nigga came off very indentity-less on alotta this record. He jacked Lil Reese's
whole ideology for "No New Friends" too.

He's believable on "Just Hold On", but that's about it... but that's
my usual point of view on his music (that's he's dripping with insincerity).

I get the same feeling from this album that I got from Jay's Holy Fail
though, in that he's switching up his style in an attempt to remain
relevant to a demographic of people from whom he's very far removed....
hence all the style biting that comes across as an attempt to fit in.
While I'm comparing it to Magnum Garbage though, it also seemed
pretty uninspired and borderline lazy as if even HE's tired of hearing
himself talk his shit.

I read an interview in Vibe? (can't remember the mag) where he was
saying that he was considering putting this album out and possibly
getting back into acting or just living for a while to get some new
experiences to put into the music. After hearing this album, I understand
exactly why he'd say that. He just has jack shit to talk about anymore.
2840980, Was this a magazine/site submission?
Posted by Mgmt, Mon Sep-16-13 05:40 AM
Geez
2840984, Thanks for the respect, fam. That's love.
Posted by Ashley Ayers, Mon Sep-16-13 05:57 AM
*daps*
2840987, I still think "Thank Me Later" is his worst album
Posted by IslaSoul, Mon Sep-16-13 06:13 AM
and that doesn't mean much, 'cause it's still quite good.
I think the criticism you have for NWTS is more applicable to TML (regarding identity & catering to a certain crowd).

For now, after a first listen, it holds up and it can stand next to 'Take Care'...it's a good album.
It's nothing I didn't expect, a solid mainstream release.


2840993, I thought there were some decent joints on there.
Posted by Ashley Ayers, Mon Sep-16-13 07:21 AM
We already heard all the decent joints off this album tho. The rest
sound like leftovers to me.

>I think the criticism you have for NWTS is more applicable to
>TML (regarding identity & catering to a certain crowd).


I can kinda see what you're saying. I think TML just caught him trying
find his own sound, whereas this one finds him just straight up jacking others.

>For now, after a first listen, it holds up and it can stand
>next to 'Take Care'...it's a good album.
>It's nothing I didn't expect, a solid mainstream release.


We can agree to disagree there. I think Take Care was a better mainstream
release and sounded more inspired as well. I can agree that this
one is also a solid mainstream release by 2013 standards, especially
considering the heaps of trash Jay and Ye dropped this year.
2840988, i'l translate this/cliff notes
Posted by SeV, Mon Sep-16-13 06:15 AM
>First, I have to say...
>He's really smoking some good shit if he thinks Kendrick isn't
>murking
>him "on any level". For one, Kendrick will rap 3 solid verses
>per
>song. You can't sing and chant for 2/3rds of every song and
>drop ONE
>verse here and there and call yourself no best doing it. Foh
>lol.
>
>I waited on this album, because I wanted to see if he was
>gonna back
>all that talk up. Naw bruh. Shit weak.

i been waiting to shyt on this album for months. I wouldve regardless of how it sounded but the kendrick comments really ruffled my panties!





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2840996, I'll translate this and all of SeV's posts in this thread...
Posted by Ashley Ayers, Mon Sep-16-13 07:38 AM
>i been waiting to shyt on this album for months. I wouldve
>regardless of how it sounded but the kendrick comments really
>ruffled my panties!

=

"I love Drake and everything he does. If you don't, you either don't
like music, think he's soft or you're white. I'll throw out one of these
in hopes that it'll get some lol's (even if all 3 are untrue), because
there's no way you can dislike this guy's actual music. I won't even
entertain the thought! He's just too rad bro!

Signed sincerely,
Psycho SeV"
2841002, ^^^that ether
Posted by the_time_is_when_god...lounge, Mon Sep-16-13 08:13 AM
2841012, damn that was harsh... but warranted.
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Sep-16-13 08:34 AM
No man should love an artist that much... especially one that sings more than he raps.

Haven't listened to it yet but if it's 2/3'rd singing then boooo this man.

2841027, im Ashley.
Posted by SeV, Mon Sep-16-13 09:01 AM
Been shytin on Drake since SFG. Yet I want yal to believe I listen to his albums with an open mind and no agenda. Even tho I couldn't type 1 sentence in my review without outting myself.

Lulz

And I'll say this again

I only Shyt on those posters who be in drake post more than me mad at folk for liking shyt they don't. Ur not as bad as others.(u already got cosigned by one of em)
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2841037, Find me...
Posted by Ashley Ayers, Mon Sep-16-13 09:27 AM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2840237&mesg_id=2840237&page=

^^ Since I'm in Drake posts more than you, tell me how many times I
appear in this one that's on the front page right now... then tell
me how many times you're in there.
Nvm, I'll save you the trouble. I'm not in there at all. You currently have
16 posts in there, all arguing with people. That's how YOU get down.
Stop projecting.

Oh, and for good measure, here's another Drake post I'm not in:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12150348&mesg_id=12150348&listing_type=search#12154227

Also, show me where I'm mad at anyone for liking what I don't. I give
my lil music reviews, discuss and KIM. You come back to the boards
SOLELY argue with people over Drake. Foh acting like a jackass
and then accusing people of doing the same childish shit you do.

To further illustrate, here's one I AM in:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12153864&mesg_id=12153864&listing_type=search

But I'm in there once, telling somebody what song was sampled.
You in there 10 times arguing with people "getting mad at them
for not liking what you like"



In Drake posts more that you LOL... nigga ain't NOBODY in Drake
posts more than your fanatical ass.



You defend Drake so blindly that you don't know who's who.


oh damn, here's another one I'm not in:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12153874&mesg_id=12153874&listing_type=search

Annnnd you're in there arguing with people AGAIN, because that's
what you do. Foh nigga.
2841049, yes link up post im currently in during the week his album drop
Posted by SeV, Mon Sep-16-13 10:28 AM
Like we always do at this time(c) ye

I do this everytime

This the most yal goin to see me in the lesson

Like I said u ain't as bad as the rest of em

But u do the same thing

You'll prolly find me in 3 drake post that ain't NWTS related

I kno u tried to and the only reason u ain't link em cause u in there too


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2842277, but since im finally bored enough to link shyt
Posted by SeV, Fri Sep-20-13 10:38 AM

*control f SeV*
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2827679&mesg_id=2827679&listing_type=search

hmmm

i do see a familiar name tho..

*control f SeV*
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2826563&mesg_id=2826563&listing_type=search

*control f SeV*
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2796608&mesg_id=2796608&listing_type=search#2823694

hmm
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2815030&mesg_id=2815030&listing_type=search

....
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2808301&mesg_id=2808301&listing_type=search

right?
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2777947&mesg_id=2777947&listing_type=search

just sayin
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2771596&mesg_id=2771596&listing_type=search

keep goin?
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2761409&mesg_id=2761409&listing_type=search

ok
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2756296&mesg_id=2756296&listing_type=search#2756345

.....
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2750225&mesg_id=2750225&listing_type=search

not in here either...but look who is lulz
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2746093&mesg_id=2746093&listing_type=search#2746381

anyway this is getting redundant

i could give a fuk about drake post or yals opinions of him

i talk my shyt when he has an album dropping just to amp up the hate and keep the tradition goin

if u see me in a drake post and an album isnt coming out its cause im clowning some of yal dumb muhfukers


i:e
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2787143&mesg_id=2787143&listing_type=search

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2774794&mesg_id=2774794&listing_type=search#2778599

anyhoo

i was waiting for more dumbass cosigners and folk iv made mad on here to get wrapped up in the L burrito along with u but owell




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2842281, sstfd
Posted by SeV, Fri Sep-20-13 10:42 AM

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2842306, Of the 13 links you posted, we both appear in 2 of them.
Posted by Ashley Ayers, Fri Sep-20-13 12:22 PM
Of the two in which I appear, one is a shared Kendrick/Drake post,
the other one is from last year.


You're just ethering yourself at this point.


2842373, hmm
Posted by SeV, Fri Sep-20-13 05:26 PM
'nigga ain't NOBODY in Drake
posts more than your fanatical ass.'

Keep goin

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Dallas Heatvricks BACK 2 BACK CHAMPS!!
2842400, Sure thing...
Posted by Ashley Ayers, Fri Sep-20-13 06:33 PM
>Keep goin

If you insist, here are some links I didn't post the first time...


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=11799599&mesg_id=11799599&listing_type=search

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12088789&mesg_id=12088789&listing_type=search

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12028031&mesg_id=12028031&listing_type=search

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=11917736&mesg_id=11917736&listing_type=search

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=11849795&mesg_id=11849795&listing_type=search

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=11823623&mesg_id=11823623&listing_type=search

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=11792788&mesg_id=11792788&listing_type=search


^^^^You're in all those (and they aren't all from the week his
album dropped), while I'm nowhere to be found.





So out of all these links we've posted, I'm in 3 of them. You're in 12.




That's 4 times the posts I'm in, so no, nobody's in Drake posts more
than your fanatical ass.






2842442, so mad didn't even read huh?
Posted by SeV, Fri Sep-20-13 08:12 PM

'if u see me in a drake post and an album isnt coming out its cause im clowning some of yal dumb muhfukers'

Keep going.




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Dallas Heatvricks BACK 2 BACK CHAMPS!!
2842498, So mentally challenged can't follow the convo huh?
Posted by Ashley Ayers, Sat Sep-21-13 05:01 AM
Start with your justification of your assholia in reply 23 and follow
the line. It'll show you why we're here... and why any of these links
we've posted were posted in the first place.


Speaking of which, this hasn't been about music since you came to
the post. Since I'm here to discuss music and you're here to start
straw-man arguments (as always), I'ma bid you a good weekend and
let you have the last word. I know you're too stubborn to admit how
wrong you are, let alone how stupid you look right now.

Peace.
2841055, ^^^^^...that shit that make your soul burn slow
Posted by Hitokiri, Mon Sep-16-13 10:46 AM
truth.
2841931, he gonna cry in the car...
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Sep-19-13 08:42 AM
2841126, RE: Find me...
Posted by murph71, Mon Sep-16-13 02:44 PM


Damn...this is getting brutal...lol....
2841059, Lol
Posted by catalyst, Mon Sep-16-13 11:15 AM
2841185, :)
Posted by astralblak, Mon Sep-16-13 07:15 PM
Base!
2841010, On early listens, I'm inclined to agree that it disappoints
Posted by CMcMurtry, Mon Sep-16-13 08:29 AM
Gonna play it some more though. But a couple times through, I don't hear too much moving me.
2841009, He topped Take Care
Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Sep-16-13 08:29 AM
This flows like an album and has no single grabs imo. You can really put it in and let it ride
2841032, RE: Drake - Nothing Was The Same (2013) [Official Post]
Posted by Noah Truth, Mon Sep-16-13 09:09 AM
fun w/ google trends:

"Wu Tang" searches are the highest they've been since 2007 and "Wu Tang Forever" searches the highest since 2004

http://postimg.org/image/yvwin4rt3/


lol, I wonder how many 13 year olds are just now discovering wu tang
2841042, Is he trolling bigghostnahmean with the title
Posted by nativesun07, Mon Sep-16-13 10:02 AM
And then making the song resemble everything bigghost trolls him about????!

I Love it. Most people wont get it
2841110, really doubt he's singling out bigghost
Posted by joe kong, Mon Sep-16-13 01:32 PM
probably all heads though
2842354, you're giving him entirely too much credit
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Fri Sep-20-13 04:24 PM
and if he did do what you think it's not exactly something to show pride in
2844330, we're talking about WU TANG FOREVER....right?
Posted by nativesun07, Sun Sep-29-13 09:10 PM
2844554, yeah and you're reading too much into it
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Mon Sep-30-13 05:30 PM
2841052, Rap album of the decade so far (>>> MBDTF >>> gkmc)
Posted by Oak27, Mon Sep-16-13 10:36 AM
Now that I have your attention...

The subject is just an attention grabber since most of the time in albums posts for mainstream cats like Kanye and Drake actual discussion of the music gets lost in bickering between stans and "haters". I'm a Drake fan (although as you'll read there are plenty of reasons I don't like him at the same time). Here's what I got from the album...

This is not the rap album of the decade. In fact, it's not even Drake's best album of the decade.

There are a lot of different "Drakes" and they are always all over his albums. That could potentially be a good thing, but not when some of those Drakes/styles are really enjoyable and some of them are not. Every album I hope that this is the album with only the Drakes/styles I love, but every album there's at least 2, 3 or 4 tracks where I just have absolutely no use for. Those tracks are present here, but what's missing are some of the moments that stood out on the past albums that helped me look past the blemishes.

Drake isn't hard. And I'm not saying that because I want my rappers as tough badasses, I'm saying that cause when he does songs like "Worst Behavious" it's completely unbelievable, sounds forced and is extremely awkward to listen to. Drake's at his best when he's just spitting and not trying to sound like Rick Ross or a hardcore battle rapper that he is not. When Drake is being Drake ("From Time", "Too Much") he excells. Drake needs a 40 beat, a solid hook, and verses where he's not trying to drop corny punchlines that can only be rivaled by people like Lil Wayne and 2 Chainz. Drake is very good song writer, why waste it trying to be a typical punchline rapper? We have enough of those.

But, I also can't stand when he goes into full R&B mode. I actually liked his singing stuff on So Far Gone but since then it's become my least favorite songs on his albums. I think Drake is a GREAT rapper when he raps, and if you don't agree, that's fine. But I think we can all agree Drake as a rapper >>>>>> Drake as a singer. If he wants to sing a hook or a bridge, great. He's definitely got a good enough voice to pull that off of, but as a singer he can't carry an entire song. Thinking back, the R&B songs I liked a lot on So Far Gone ("Lets Call It Off", "Little Bit") are mostly carried by sampled/guest vocals on the hooks.

Where are deep, personal dives that shined on his past albums? There's no "Look What You've Done" or "The Renassance" here. Where are the straight BARS songs? There are no "Lord Knows", "9AM in Dallas" or "The Calm" here. The intro tries, but never quite gets there.

I'll give this a 3 out of 5 for now. Even in the lower moments Drake's charisma carries it enough to make it listenable. My favorite tracks are "From Time", "Too Much" and "The Motion"

As far as his albums go, my ranking would be: So Far Gone > Take Care > Thank Me Later > Nothing Was The Same

I'll continue to hope for an album with no bullshit R&B, punchline raps, or guest spots from shitty rappers (Birdman? Really?). But I'll also, once again, accept the realization that I'm never going to get it.
2841121, RE: Rap album of the decade so far (>>> MBDTF >>> gkmc)
Posted by Goose, Mon Sep-16-13 02:12 PM
I agree with all this.

But I will argue "Hold On Were Going Home" is by far his best straight singing song he's ever done.

The stretch of "Connect" "The Language" and "305 to My City" really hurts the album over all. It opens and closes very strong.

I think "Too Much" "From Time" and "Furthest Thing" are his personal songs on the album, but I agree I would've liked 1-2 more songs like that on this album, as they tend to be my favorite songs he does.

It's still too early to rate this album, but I think it's slightly better than Thank Me Later, but below Take Care and possibly So Far Gone.
2841134, re: no "Look What You've Done"
Posted by rhymesandammo, Mon Sep-16-13 03:32 PM
"From Time" and "Too Much" are both in that vein, imo...and "From Time" is arguably his best verse on the album, imo. At the very least the most emotionally substantiative.
2841060, i was listening to a Drake song and suddenly it was Jay Z's.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Mon Sep-16-13 11:17 AM
who gives the guest two verses?
2841069, Jay-Z does...
Posted by Oak27, Mon Sep-16-13 11:53 AM
>who gives the guest two verses?

Not to mention GZA gave Killah Priest an ENTIRE SONG on Liquid Swords. And while talking about Wu-Tang is hot (especially in regards to Drake), I'm pretty sure Raekwon's classic OB4CL is half Ghostface's.

2841072, that's crew/fam tho.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Mon Sep-16-13 12:02 PM
>>who gives the guest two verses?
>
>Not to mention GZA gave Killah Priest an ENTIRE SONG on Liquid
>Swords. And while talking about Wu-Tang is hot (especially in
>regards to Drake), I'm pretty sure Raekwon's classic OB4CL is
>half Ghostface's.
>
>
2841074, reemember Timbaland said they was embracing Drake and bringing
Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Sep-16-13 12:08 PM
him to into the clique
2841082, oh, i forgot when Timbo and Jay Z called me and told me that.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Mon Sep-16-13 12:38 PM
lmao.
2841102, lol it was on that Fuse interview
Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Sep-16-13 01:08 PM
2841731, lmao
Posted by hammam, Wed Sep-18-13 03:28 PM
2841930, who knew who the fuck Killah Preist was before that song?
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Sep-19-13 08:41 AM
He put his homie on... thas different
2841318, Remember when Jay released a new song on Bleek's album?
Posted by CaptNish, Tue Sep-17-13 10:21 AM
A whole goddamn song! Drake should be lucky he got to be on the track at all. lol
2841075, This is def a full front to back album.
Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Sep-16-13 12:10 PM
he acutally have a segues on here and no "obvious" single that fucks up the flow. Some of the songs only will work in the context of the album like "own it".
2841083, LOL didn't you already make this same point above breh?
Posted by CMcMurtry, Mon Sep-16-13 12:39 PM
2841103, F IT SAY IT AGAIN (c) Battle rap
Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Sep-16-13 01:08 PM
2841107, So is it that you think if you say it enough, it's true?
Posted by CMcMurtry, Mon Sep-16-13 01:12 PM
2841128, you think if you keep responding Ill change my mind?
Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Sep-16-13 02:50 PM
2841088, This is kind of a cop out for that song being terrible
Posted by Oak27, Mon Sep-16-13 12:44 PM
> Some of the songs only will work in
>the context of the album like "own it".

Yeah, it makes sense to have a dumb song repeating "Guess whose it is???" and "Own it own it own it" after a song with a hook repeating "It's yours it's yours". Seems like it's kind of just an "outro" to "Wu-Tang Forever", in fact with him already going the Timberlake route with making a song go on way too long by adding a part 2 after a bunch of tracks, I'm surprised he didn't just hang this onto the album version of WTF.

But yeah, the song is not good, and it blending in with the theme of the song before it doesn't make it any better.
2841101, nah some shit work in the album that's why its called an album
Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Sep-16-13 01:07 PM
just like alot of albums have segue ways and songs that work better in the context of the album.
2841123, RE: nah some shit work in the album that's why its called an album
Posted by Goose, Mon Sep-16-13 02:16 PM
I agree with both of you.

I think it's a nice segue, but I do wish it were 2 minutes shorter.
2841092, his best album yet
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Sep-16-13 12:55 PM
Take Care was dope but it had 3 or 4 songs I just flat out never listened to.

NWTS fixes that and shaves about 30 mins off the runtime.

his Singing/Rapping balance is the best its been. killing it whenever he raps. songwriting on point.

favorite tracks: tuscan leather, worst behavior, WTF, 305, from time.
2841228, RE: his best album yet
Posted by Tony Hanes, Mon Sep-16-13 09:58 PM
Yep, dope from start to finish. He rides his lane.
2841098, drake bonus tracks..
Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Sep-16-13 01:04 PM
all of em was free so it should be good

16. 5 am in tornto
17. Girls love Beyonce
18. Jodeci freestyle
19. the motion

http://www70.zippyshare.com/v/57275308/file.html
2841117, there was a lot of Wu Tang references throughout the whole album
Posted by Heinz, Mon Sep-16-13 02:03 PM
anyone notice that?..

like even little samples here and there on songs, or just little lines....i guess that was a heavy influence during the making of the album
2841122, I noticed them, it's certainly interesting
Posted by CMcMurtry, Mon Sep-16-13 02:13 PM
But if they were an influence, then I don't hear it in the music. Am I correct in thinking this is his least rapping album yet?
2841247, cappadonna reference ftw
Posted by Apollo Kid, Mon Sep-16-13 11:10 PM
2841262, Care to point some of those out? n/m
Posted by Ketchums, Tue Sep-17-13 12:00 AM
2841335, he damn near jacked half of ma$e's verse on worst behavior, lol
Posted by Benedict the Moor, Tue Sep-17-13 11:43 AM
2842541, flipped it dopely though.
Posted by Aeon, Sat Sep-21-13 01:34 PM
2842244, Next up: His best West Coast Hip impression
Posted by Amritsar, Fri Sep-20-13 09:12 AM



2841125, his Kendrick response on that first verse on The Language
Posted by Heinz, Mon Sep-16-13 02:38 PM
was perfect.

2841512, Wonder why nobody responded to you?
Posted by the_time_is_when_god...lounge, Wed Sep-18-13 01:22 AM
2841222, It's definitely Vibey .. More like "So far so gone"
Posted by urbgriot, Mon Sep-16-13 09:45 PM
Very mellow..

One thing about Drake is that he has his own style and sound. He rides with that and it sounds nothing like anyone else.
2841238, best work since so far gone. LOL @ anyone saying "worst."
Posted by PROMO, Mon Sep-16-13 10:34 PM
i'm not a drake stan.

i thought take care was weak as fuck. this is a huge step up for him.
2841241, downloading now
Posted by cbk, Mon Sep-16-13 10:38 PM
never thought i'd be downloading a DRAKE leak.

actually i downloaded the "thank me later" leak and really didn't like it, which spawned my drake hate.

so i'm a sucker for hype, basically.

hoping i enjoy this one.


2841246, pretty underwhelming
Posted by pakishag, Mon Sep-16-13 11:04 PM
even the highlights aren't up to par with the highlights on 'take care', and that album was just mediocre.
2841298, it's dope
Posted by Ashy Achilles, Tue Sep-17-13 07:53 AM
2841300, don't wanna go crazy after 2 listens, but this his best album imo
Posted by rjc27, Tue Sep-17-13 08:17 AM
lightyears ahead of the snoozefest that was Take Care

so much more cohesive then Take Care, plays well straight through

Doesn't feel like he pushed to make any hardcore rnb songs or hardcore rap songs, just made 16 drake songs...

It reminds me more of the first album but more polished, more sure of his sound


<< Started From The Bottom

@rob_starrk
2841302, two listens in...i like it
Posted by dafriquan, Tue Sep-17-13 09:01 AM
there are no high highs or low lows.
but its an album i can listen from start to finish without skipping a track or wanting to rewind one.

drake always has one or two "wear out the tape" joints on his past albums but that doesn't seem to be the case on this album.

i like that he used the flow from "Versace" a few times on this album like on "The language". Also the bassline on that song reminds me of some dilla production.

The funny thing is that there are no "clear singles" on this album and yet Drake has dropped and will still drop singles off it that we will go on to heavy club and radio rotation. That speaks to the grip that he has on music right now. He pretty much can dictate direction.
2841304, co-sign n/m
Posted by IslaSoul, Tue Sep-17-13 09:13 AM
2841428, pretty much how I feel as well
Posted by pakishag, Tue Sep-17-13 03:58 PM
even though I'm a bit disappointed that there aren't any single tracks that I'm like 'alright, I GOTTA listen to this again,' the album flows nicely without there being any real shit songs either.
2841319, It's his best. It's his worst. Goddamn, can you guys sit on it for a bit?
Posted by CaptNish, Tue Sep-17-13 10:24 AM
Y'all really spin something three times and try to find it's place in history? lol Like give it some time. The hyperbole around here is blowin' stop lights, moonin' the traffic cams an' shit.

I like the album. I can't wait to listen to it more.
2841334, RE: Drake - Nothing Was The Same (2013) [Official Post]
Posted by Benedict the Moor, Tue Sep-17-13 11:40 AM
There's something about Drake's rapping that just bores me. I mean, dude has bars and can certainly 'write,' but I feel compelled to skip all his rapping joints a minute or so in.

His singing joints are cool, however.


2841380, how much is he rapping like he's from the south on this??
Posted by Crash85, Tue Sep-17-13 01:07 PM
2841382, A bigger deal is being made of this leak elsewhere (online), right?
Posted by self_ish, Tue Sep-17-13 01:11 PM
OKP skews old(er) so I can understand why this post only has 70 replies but, this leak doesn't seem to have the innanet goin' nuts from what I can tell. I figured at this stage of his career that Drake releases were "event" albums, due to his immense popularity. But there was definitely far more chatter for Yeezus, Holy Grail, GKMC, etc. Is dude THAT polarizing along generational lines? Or are folks in general just indifferent towards this album?
2841400, Net went CRAZY the night it leaked
Posted by Ketchums, Tue Sep-17-13 02:14 PM
Although I think this album doesn't have many "big" songs, so that's worked against it

>OKP skews old(er) so I can understand why this post only has
>70 replies but, this leak doesn't seem to have the innanet
>goin' nuts from what I can tell. I figured at this stage of
>his career that Drake releases were "event" albums, due to his
>immense popularity. But there was definitely far more chatter
>for Yeezus, Holy Grail, GKMC, etc. Is dude THAT polarizing
>along generational lines? Or are folks in general just
>indifferent towards this album?
2841415, There aren't any "OMG ITS CLASSIC, GOAT ALBUM of 2013!!!" claims
Posted by Oak27, Tue Sep-17-13 02:38 PM
to bring out the Drake bashers in fleets.

Most of these triple plat album posts are 80% bickering between stans and haters calling each other, well, stans and haters, with little to no discussion of the music from a biased standpoint, or even discussion of the actual music at all.

Get a dude in here calling it a modern hip hop classic, or better yet, have someone make a separate post calling it such, and buy stock in that thread IMMEDIATELY.
2841424, cause it doesnt suck and folks here dont want to say they feelng it
Posted by Menphyel7, Tue Sep-17-13 03:24 PM
2841440, MBDTF & GKMC are much better albums
Posted by Oak27, Tue Sep-17-13 04:50 PM
Both attracted PLENTY of people hating to the max. This album is just semi and doesn't require people trying to take down others overly enjoying or overly hating because people just seem to be indifferent on it. Those who are enjoying it are doing so realizing it's nothing spectacular, those are aren't enjoying it are not enjoying it just as quietly, realizing there's plenty worse out there.
2841449, cause they are hip-hop elite in here...folks wanted to come in here
Posted by Menphyel7, Tue Sep-17-13 06:03 PM
and piss on it and anyone who sits down and listen objectivity can't so they just sitting to the side...even your compliant is its not better than 2 "classics"
2841450, I wouldn't call that a complaint
Posted by Oak27, Tue Sep-17-13 06:12 PM
Just using those as two examples where a better album still had a shit storm of negative posts, since I feel the lack of reaction in this thread is that the album is nothing crazy good or bad. Most negativity comes when people try to shit on others for really liking something and trying to seem above it all. Since one of the groups isn't appearing, the other isn't as a result.
2841431, RE: A bigger deal is being made of this leak elsewhere (online), right?
Posted by murph71, Tue Sep-17-13 04:21 PM
>Is dude THAT polarizing
>along generational lines? Or are folks in general just
>indifferent towards this album?

It's the former....
2841451, dude was trending USA for like 36 hrs straight.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Sep-17-13 06:13 PM
2841452, OMG!
Posted by mightnodie, Tue Sep-17-13 06:46 PM
36 whole hours! Shit that's enough time to start and finish a war: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War
2842073, I don't feel strongly enough about it one way or another really
Posted by CMcMurtry, Thu Sep-19-13 03:29 PM
2841441, i KNEW he couldn't top take care...that album was very relevant to
Posted by Hellyeah, Tue Sep-17-13 05:12 PM
me on a personal level...this one? minus a couple of joints it's a snoozefest

drake is kinda out of gas.. he better take a break and come back in 3-4 years with some new ideas..



2841448, HE top take care that album had too many songs on there
Posted by Menphyel7, Tue Sep-17-13 06:02 PM
and he threw it some nonsense.. "ova my dead boody" 'shot for me" "make me proud""pratice"

this has no bs on it.
2841458, ??
Posted by amplifya7, Tue Sep-17-13 06:55 PM
"ova my dead boody" 'shot for
>me"

those 2 are dope...shot for me is an album highlight even
2841829, I hate those 2 songs horrible way to start an album
Posted by Menphyel7, Wed Sep-18-13 08:53 PM
my version starts off with Dreams money can buy and free spirit.
2845238, RE: ??
Posted by melanon, Thu Oct-03-13 02:42 AM
Over my dead body was the most played song on my iPod that year. That girl sounds so fucking sexy to me.

Take Care is waaaay better an album than this new joint.....but this one is cool. I really dig the sampha song.


I think drake benefitted tremendously from having the weeknds stank all over take care and that's the the key compliment missing from nwts.
2841472, 305 To MY City is one of the worst drake songs of all time
Posted by Oak27, Tue Sep-17-13 08:16 PM
2841830, you crazy that shit knock..and its shit like pratice out there and
Posted by Menphyel7, Wed Sep-18-13 08:55 PM
2841496, so even though this is better than Take Care....
Posted by PROMO, Tue Sep-17-13 11:07 PM
it's not in your book because Take Care was "personal" for you.

you shoulda just said that.
2841505, another discussion angle: did the beats just not deliver?
Posted by dafriquan, Wed Sep-18-13 12:20 AM
i am mostly referring to the rap beats on here. i actually think has been growing as a writer and i have no complaints about the songwriting. in terms of flow, he's in the pocket and confident. he's also found a few voices other than that main one that some people found whiny. but lets talk about these beats. they are all serviceable but do any of them have that IT factor?

from his past catalogue, you had beats like "Over", "Fancy" and "Headlines" that were just undeniable. I don't even like Fancy as song but the beat goes hard. (I also think "Fear" produced by Dj Khalil should have been a proper album track)

This album does not really have a stand out beat. melodically speaking. Well mixed and well produced but I think this is where it might be lacking. For instance, the intro track is so lacking in a lead melody, it might as well be noise. The (Whitney Houston?) sample is reversed, sped up and filtered to the point where there is no soul left in it.

Now Drake and 40 have pretty much carved out a niche for these ambient atmospheric beats but all his albums have been anchored by a few of those straight ahead bangers with strong melodies inside the beat. Not just relying on Drakes own melodies to carry the hook.

Take a song like "Started from the Bottom". cool beat, catchy hook. The song was a hit but the dark chopped up piano chords made the impact a bit more understated.

I hate to make a comparison but listen to the beats on Good Kid Mad City. To be honest its a little too melodically rich to me at times like having too much cheese cake. I mean cheese cake is amazing but after having too much of it, I start craving from some black tea or just something bitter to balance it out. Anyway my point about GKMC was that just one or two of those "level" of beats would have anchored this Drake album a bit better.

Thoughts? Agree/Disagree?
2841513, i could see that argument but i think the only big thign wrong
Posted by Heinz, Wed Sep-18-13 01:55 AM
with this album is the lack of punch it had because they gave away the BIG hit songs for free and too early.

Started From The Bottom (this probably was released way too early)
Girls Love Beyoncé
All Me
The Motion
Hold On, We're Going Home

so we had these in rotation and heard them on radio and clubs way too many times that I even skip these joints now after the 3rd listen of the album. I def listened to them and the project as a whole and really loved the project but giving those joints too early hurt the overall look of the project when we all first listened to it. The roll outs was great for the albums but i think they also came out way too strong with the free cuts and singles, u should only do that when you got at least 1-3 more sure shot type singles ready to hit us in the face instead of the rest of the great album cuts to complete the body of work.

great strategy, maybe schedule wise it worked against them

as for the GKMC comparison, its hard to compare production between the two. They are 2 different artists with 2 different core sounds. So I think its always a safe bet that heads are ALWAYS gonna like the beats on Kendrick albums more than Drake albums. Bitches and kids are gonna like Drake's beats more between the two. I think the biggest debate between the two wiill always be, when will Kendrick have some club smash hits to round out himself as an artist and take that throne his core fans think he deserves (it wont happen till he does that.) and for Drake fans its always gonna be...we want more Room For Improvement, Comeback Season era Drake on his future projects. Which I agree i would like to see that more too but i honestly do think he gave that cause he spit his ass off on joints on this new album and over beats that i think the heads def do appreciate. But much like rap fans, give them exactly what they want and even that is never enough so these debates will never stop. ever.
2841540, you are right. these songs would work better as surprises
Posted by dafriquan, Wed Sep-18-13 07:54 AM

>Started From The Bottom (this probably was released way too
>early)
>The Motion
>Hold On, We're Going Home

>great strategy, maybe schedule wise it worked against them
I don't even think it was a strategy per say. They may not have even known that these songs were the strongest ones. The fact that a sureshot track like "The Motion" is just a bonus track kinda clues you into their mind state...lol.

anyway i agree that some of those songs should have been kept in the chamber. including "5am in Toronto". Only 1 or two of the new songs on the album are touching the songs that have already been released.

Just listened to the album again this morning. Its crazy when you think that Drake can casually drop an album that is better than both the Kanye and Jay-Z albums that dropped this year, without breaking a sweat. For all the concepts on big name hoopla, I just don't find myself playing Yeezus or MCHG that often and as far as rap, both artists are now clearly past their peak.

I think the road is clear for Drake to make a run for the crown with a full rap album.
2841878, I agree with Jay but i love that Ye album.
Posted by Heinz, Thu Sep-19-13 01:52 AM
I think there was too much pre judgement going into that album from people because of the different sound. the more it got different for them the less they realized they werent gonna get what they wanted. which isnt to say the album isnt good but it def spoils everyones mindset as they listen to it. That was a great album to me. Ridiculous well done sonically...it wasnt a lyrical album but i never look to Ye for lyrics. Ever. I think people are bugging when they say they do. He can just rap. Which is what hes supposed to be able to do. He just happens to make really amazing songs being an average rapper. Ionno. But again to each their own too

I agree. The lane is open for him to take it.

GKMC, NWTS, MCHG and Yeezus were all well put together but def all have their faults some people will deny and some people just wont see. Its still hard for me to say which is the best rap album this year out of these 4.
2841530, Agree
Posted by bigr2k, Wed Sep-18-13 06:59 AM
My favorite beat on here is that cee-lo type holdon, we're going home shit - and that isnt a rap beat.

I'm not even a Drake hater, I think he can emcee well and he can sing too - but this album is a bit too atmpospheric for my tastes.

Then again, my favorite album this year is J-Zone's Peter Pan Syndrome, so perhaps Im not in the mood for Drake, lol.
2841642, sometimes the value of brevity is glaringly lost on very visible artists
Posted by Tiger Woods, Wed Sep-18-13 12:17 PM
Let's start by stating that I like Drake. He won me over big time on the last record. I consider Take Care an achievement, for the maturity of the subject matter on a sophomore effort and for its subdued atmospherics. He's a very good songwriter and his last effort was a very good album.

And look maybe it's just me - I've been listening to Vampire Weekend's "Modern Vampires..." and Yeezus nonstop for an entire Summer, two records that each clock in under 40 minutes - but this Drake record often suffers from the same problem the most recent Timberlake album suffered from.

3 minute breaks as pre and interludes do not always make songs more effective. In fact more often than not they take away from a song's potential. And furthermore, the public's attention span is the shortest it's ever been. We digest things in 140 characters or simply in visuals now, so asking listeners to hang around an extra two and a half minutes just to remind them that you "get it and get it" is really putting them out; to quote Tom Petty's famous songwriting motto "Don't bore us, get to the chorus."

He'll bounce back. He's rapping better than ever, his vocabulary is improved, he's not afraid to try new flows, and he's done all this while never really sacrificing his song craft. Some different production and more efficient song structures will hopefully come in time.
2841789, But this is his shortest album
Posted by 201cue, Wed Sep-18-13 06:25 PM
2841897, Inbox please? Or direct me to a good site?
Posted by L0WD0WN, Thu Sep-19-13 05:32 AM
Thanks!
2842138, RE: Drake - Nothing Was The Same (2013) [Official Post]
Posted by Pastor ben, Thu Sep-19-13 07:41 PM
.
2842139, RE: Drake - Nothing Was The Same (2013) [Official Post]
Posted by Pastor ben, Thu Sep-19-13 07:47 PM
https://soundcloud.com/tay-clark-2/crzyrd
2842174, thanks
Posted by L0WD0WN, Fri Sep-20-13 12:16 AM
2842312, Man, Jake crushed the 2nd half of Furthest Thing so bad.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Sep-20-13 12:31 PM
smh.
2842436, ^^^
Posted by Ashy Achilles, Fri Sep-20-13 08:01 PM
2842468, this and too much are my favorite joints, by far
Posted by Madvillain 626, Fri Sep-20-13 11:17 PM
2842356, shorter albums serve him well, still a weak album but it's not bloated
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Fri Sep-20-13 04:25 PM
2842357, is it just me or
Posted by amplifya7, Fri Sep-20-13 04:27 PM
does the rip, or at least the one I d/led of the deluxe, sound mad overcompressed like its at a low bitrate, maybe 96 or 128 kps, but was saved as 320 kps

I think I won't listen again til its on spotify

but on first impression I was underwhelmed..."Too Much" is the only song I loved
2842615, Drakes best album a week in
Posted by Phreak, Sun Sep-22-13 12:23 AM
didnt get it first listen but this is incredible now
2842634, very solid album - great addition to his discography
Posted by Soulbrotha, Sun Sep-22-13 07:02 AM
but not a legit claim to rap's throne imo. I've sat with this album for a week and I think the hype hurt it a bit. My expectations were a bit high considering it was Kendrick that he was being pit against...

This includes Jay and Kanye "crowning" him as the "chosen one" which kinda felt like a setup if you ask me lol. None of the free releases besides imo "Hold On.." and "SFTB" were truly STRONG. I know Drake hasn't been known to drop outright standout tracks as far as first singles (Headlines was a grower for me) but they dropped an uncharacteristic number of free songs (about 7 or 8 if I'm not mistaken). I got the feeling like no one out of their camp was sure what fans were looking for so it was like a test the waters type of situation. I mean Drake back in 2012 said he was going to work with Jamie XX and that they were already in the studio. All of a sudden the album got harder, darker and rap-pier as the rap mainstream landscape got more "lyrical" or whatever, lol. This was definitely intended to be the "rap album" ppl wanted from Drake as opposed to the album Drake really wanted to make. The WU influence all over the record was pretty apparent. I wonder if he listened to a lot of WU while making it so as to sound hard or get that hard vibe over it lol.

As far as cohesivity and sequencing the lp wins. "WTF" sounds A WHOLE lot better in the context of the album for me now than as the release it was. I don't care for "The Language" & "305" (these 2 just drain the momentum from "Furthest Thing" on down. Didn't care for "All Me" either (never liked that song, still sounds like other ppl feat Drake). I think Drake really shone on his introspective tracks - "Too Much" "Furthest thing" "From Time." I enjoyed "Worst Behavior" for what it was, the beat knocks and Drake has the right approach to it. I was disappointed with "Tuscan Leather." That too suffered from hype (beat sampled 3 different ways and whatnot). The first beat sounded like a Heatmakerz reject. That chimpunk sound they did couldn't stand the test of time, pretty disposable (even though Dipset did have some great songs from it). Things didn't get interesting for me until the 3rd switch up but by then you're already let down sonically and you really don't want him to keep going "for an hour over this beat." I agree with dafriquan, sonically some of the beats were just okay. I expected a lot more out of "Pound Cake" but it still works for what it is.

Rhyming-wise Drake came with it. I like that he tried different flows from what we're used to but as far as lyricism I didn't hear a lot that screamed - the best rapper out. At times it felt like the pressure of being touted as the best was getting to him so when he would take aim at critics he'd say things like "oh your album/music isn't good" "I got a bunch of money, more money than you." Very Jay-Zesque to me which isn't surprising but still...kinda lazy....like give me a reason why you're better than the rest not just by pointing out this person's art sucks but showing why you tower over everyone else. Case in point - part 2 of Furthest thing, great beat there and I'm expecting a murder scene and all I get is some brag rap about how he wants to go out to the beat..I dunno, maybe I'm judging hard but I just didn't hear a lot that moved me like someone who wants rap's crown or is wearing it for that matter. I don't think NWTS is better than MCHG or Yeezus, both of which I liked but had their share of flaws.

Compared to "Take Care" which I actually dug a lot minus a few songs the lp could've done without, he corrected the mistakes, made it shorter and tighter, trimmed the fat, no sighting of Weezy anywhere lol (though Baby was on there). 4/5 as of today...
2842777, nice review
Posted by dafriquan, Mon Sep-23-13 01:24 AM
takes me back to early lessons when we used to write paragraphs about one song...lol
my enjoyment of an album used to be enhanced by reading other posters fleshed out thoughts on it in the lesson.

anyway i agree there is no GOAT level rapping on here but I think what Drake is doing with "flow" is often overlooked because he has more "lyrical" lyrics than say early Slum Village. Drake borrows heavily from Southern rap flows but there is a certain sharpness that he brings to the table by reigning in the "drawl". Drake's winning formula is that he is a true hybrid. He can comfortably mix (or alternate) with Southern isms with East Coast lyricism in way that most rappers from NYC were not be able to do organically. Interestingly enough, New York rappers that came after Drake seem to do this more naturally eg A$AP

If we can't yet crown Drake for his lyrics, his flow should put him in the running with hardly any competition. Kendrick is an even more adept master of flow but his vibe is a tad too "throwback". There is a certain "nowness" to the Drake sound that KL just cant match. Meek only has one flow and after a monster mixtape of hit singles, dropped an album that fell flat. J Cole is just a decent side show for young cats who were never around for "real hip-hop" and old heads like me who miss that type of rapping. I don't consider him a serious contender for that crown. Pusha T might as well be in his 50s. disqualified.

Drake might get the #1 spot soon even if its only by default and a lowered bar.

2842844, RE: nice review
Posted by Amo, Mon Sep-23-13 11:42 AM
solid album
2842854, Sup man? Long time no speak...
Posted by Soulbrotha, Mon Sep-23-13 12:01 PM
Hard to argue your points. For me besides the obvious with flows and a lowered bar for current mainstream climate, Drake is REALLY winning with an unmatched honesty and candor. I mean some of the things he raps about, dudes get laughed at for doing but in song context it really wins. It's Joe Budden level candor but with a more mainstream polish and appeal. I can see Drake as one of the best artists out of this generation but as far as rapping goes I'm traditional, I want my best rappers to wow me with lyricism, flow, cadence etc. Kendrick here for me is winning right now. Meek seems like a one trick pony but in theory shouldn't. Though I think Meek needs to have more variety if he wants to have strong consideration. Cole has the most easily accessible flow and a regular man appeal that is helping him win. He just needs a few more BIG hit songs, allow someone else produce him and maybe 1 or 2 classic albums and he's there.

btw you still making beats/music?
2843347, pretty much how i feel.
Posted by selppataei, Wed Sep-25-13 10:10 AM
my main issue is the redundancy of the subject matter, not only within the album, but across albums to songs on take care. like, "marvin's room" by itself covers a lot of the same ground a few of the songs here do. actually, i prefer "marvin's room," "doing it wrong," "cameras," and "the real her" to their counterparts on NWTS.
2842650, The sound!
Posted by Nodima, Sun Sep-22-13 11:30 AM
I can't care about too much else right now. The sound of this record is incredible, even on songs I don't have any strong opinions about. I generally tune out tracks 8-11 but I'm totally tuned in at the same time.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2843474, i said the exact same thing
Posted by Small Pro, Wed Sep-25-13 05:45 PM
it's quite remarkably constructed
2842783, 8.6 // BNM (swipe)
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Sep-23-13 03:59 AM
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18511-drake-nothing-was-the-same/



"Really I think I like who I'm becoming," Drake told us cautiously on his second album Take Care. On its followup Nothing Was the Same, he's thought about it some more."Prince Akeem, they throw flowers at my feet, nigga!" he screams. "I could go an hour on this beat, nigga!" The song, "Tuscan Leather", which opens the record, is six full minutes long with no chorus, a point Drake is eager for us to absorb: "This is nothing for the radio/ But they'll still play it though/ Cuz it's the new Drizzy Drake, that's just the way it go."

The Drake Era has ended; welcome to the Drake Regime. Aubrey Graham's gone from an unlikely rapper to an accepted rapper to maybe the biggest rapper out, all in four years, and he's the genre's biggest pop crossover star. Kanye has, for the moment, stepped out of the pop-radio wars, which means that Drake currently has no meaningful competition. On Nothing Was the Same, he acts accordingly-- the mansion doors swing shut behind you and he mostly stops pretending to be nice. "I'm on my worst behavior," he leers, over a glowering low-end synth and an insectile battery of defaced-sounding percussion, courtesy of his fellow-former-child-actor collaborator Noah "40" Shebib. It's the meanest-sounding thing Drake has rapped over, and he matches it with some of his angriest lyrics, a series of sputtered "muhfuckas never loved us" surrounding an extended riff on Ma$e's verse on "Mo Money Mo Problems".

As Drake albums go, this is the Drakiest: Except for Jay Z, who shows up at the end of the album, Nothing Was the Same is an entirely solo affair, and all of Drake's tendencies are dialed up. Even for a rapper known for sniping at non-famous girlfriends on record, he's breathtakingly petty here: The album is four days old on the internet, and already his line "The one that I needed was Courtney from Hooters on Peachtree/ I've always been feeling like she was the piece to complete me" from "From Time" is infamous, a reference so specific that the actual Courtney has had to put a padlock on her social-media life. Drake has been talking to old flames who have no equivalent soap box to climb on to talk back since before "CeCe's Interlude", of course, but as he's gotten more famous, they've grown more malicious, and here they feel like a series of emotional drone strikes.

On "Paris Morton Music", he relishes the thought of showing up at his high school reunion, watching everyone "go through security clearance," and on "Too Much", he airs out his family: "Money got my family going backwards/ No dinners, no holidays, no nothing," he laments, before going in on his uncle, his cousins, and even his mother: "I hate the fact that my mom cooped up in the apartment, telling herself that she's too sick to get dressed up and go do shit like that's true shit." Drake recently performed this song on Jimmy Fallon, apologizing briefly to his family before tearing into it. The album title, in context, reads like a self-fulfilling prophecy viewed from the rear view, an acknowledgment that he's cutting final ties, torching the last bridges. He might like who he's become, but you can hear he doesn't expect anyone else to.

That's okay: Loneliness, self-afflicted or otherwise, has always been Drake's most reliable fuel. His albums draw strength from their insularity; when everyone outside them in mainstream rap was piling on epic minor-key horns and turning their songs into armored tanks, Drake drew the curtains. Their sound was going to be soft, set apart more by what wasn't there-- snare claps, hi-hats-- then what was. Nothing Was the Same is Drake and 40's most audacious experiment yet in how far inward they can push their sound; a lot of the album sounds like a black hole of all 40's previous productions being sucked into the center. Song-to-song transitions, which have always been melty and blurry, are more notional than ever. "Wu-Tang Forever" is a sunken glimmer of piano with a tiny tag of RZA's voice, screaming "It's Yourz," before shading, at some point, into "Own It".

There is no uncomplicated forward motion in Drake songs; usually one small element worms forward while everything sits around it, a haze of rhythmic and harmonic indecision. Drake continues his qualified, complicated claiming of Houston on Nothing, rapping "I was birthed there in my first year, man I know that place like I come from it" on "Too Much". But the only quality his music shares with Houston rap is its vague relationship to momentum. On "Started From the Bottom", the bass isn't even a settled pitch, but a buckling floor beneath the destabilized-sounding pianos, which scrabble down its side. "305 to My City" sits almost completely flat, a ticking snare the only indication of a pulse.

The only thing tumbling endlessly forward, of course, are Drake's words, one emerging breathlessly after the other. He has never boasted many of the skills that define a technically skilled rapper, but he has cleared away any obstacles to his tangled thoughts in 40's muted music and let his wordy lines climb up the walls like kudzu. To live in Drake's music is to come away with his words smudged on you like newsprint ink. His eye-rollers and his stunners are all linked together, one long runaway train of sentiments: "I wanna take it deeper than money, pussy, vacation/ And influence a generation that's lacking in patience/ I've been dealin' with my dad, speaking of lack of patience/ Just me and my old man, getting back to basics/ We been talking about the future and time that we wasted/ When he put that bottle down, girl, that nigga's amazing," he raps on "From Time". It's hard not to feel exhausted, slightly, after an album's worth of these torrents.

You sense that Drake is exhausted, too. There is an intriguing whiff of third act rot hanging in the air on Nothing Was the Same, and because Drake is such a deft micro-manager of his own narrative, he's drawing our attention to it, telegraphing it in his lyrics and dramatizing the sense that whatever he does after this album, it can't quite be this again. He's "somewhere between psychotic and iconic" on "Furthest Thing", promising to "break everyone off before I break down."

There are big, friendly singles as well-- notably, the bar-mitzvah floor-filler "Hold On We're Coming Home", which borrows its smoothly bumping glide from "Sexual Healing". The song is terrific, one of Drake's best pure pop songs ever and instantly a standard. It is also out of place on this dimly lit album, which is the most morose and triumphant of Drake's career. "My life's a completed checklist," he boasts on "Tuscan Leather"-- for Drake, it's another reason to feel superior. But it's also what you say right before you die, and I can't imagine an admission more depressing.
2843147, dude is soft and corny but the album is solid
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Sep-24-13 09:46 AM
i dig how he continues doing his own thing with 40 on production.
2843163, http://i.imgur.com/uDd3B.jpg
Posted by hardware, Tue Sep-24-13 11:29 AM
http://i.imgur.com/uDd3B.jpg
2843587, listened to it on spotify... shit's too soft.
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Sep-26-13 07:42 AM
It's cool lounge/vibe music but this is shit you bump for the ladies or if you are going through a break up.
2844219, 3 songs in, dope as far
Posted by Coco la chapelle, Sun Sep-29-13 12:44 AM
2844257, popmatters take two preview.
Posted by Nodima, Sun Sep-29-13 01:33 PM
my man Thomas Britt caught a lot of flack for writing a 2/10 review (only negative or even mediocre review on metacritic), I've been offering second takes on big rap albums lately (Yeezus, MCHG) and this is my 7/10 spin coming later this week.


Nothing Was the Same might just be the closest we'll ever get to listening to Charlie Brown take a victory lap. When I reviewed Drake's sophomore album - Take Care - two years ago, I took some flack for asserting that it was the first time a rap album had been "beautiful". I admit that my word choice was wrong, but I suppose the discussion concerning Drake's repeated Wu-Tang namedrops, references, and of course "Wu-Tang Forever" on this album allows me to try again. When Method Man wrote "Wu-Tang Forever", he called it "All I Need" and no one batted an eye. When Ghostface Killah wrote "Marvin's Room", he called it "Wildflower" (and when he wrote "Look What You've Done" he called it "All That I Got Is You"). One fundamental flaw in the criticism of Drake's hip-hop approach is that he writes songs the Gods never would have; he's just not trying to write "We Some Dogs" some day, that's all.

"Wu-Tang Forever" is such a great song to talk about for everything but that title, too. That beat, all spiraling keyboards straight out of an Akira Yamaoka nightmare swallowed whole every few moments by the loneliest 808 note in the world, bellowing to the surface like the reverb of a depth charge. And in that atmosphere Drake lashes out at the world in complete self-awareness, using this track entirely produced by Noah "40" Shebib (their lone collaboration in solitude on the disc proper, mind) to stake claim on Toronto the way Wu-Tang Forever claimed Staten Island, to turn the narrowed street attitude of '90s New York rap into broad-stroked, wide-eyed confessionals without dropping the veil of conviction that allowed the Wu-Tang Clan to remain perhaps hip-hop's most iconic entity, something to be celebrated by the genre's "softest" artist on the 20th anniversary of the "hardest" rap album ever made.

Drake does seem to struggle with that last bit, though. We all see it. The random threats of violence we know Drake - both the character and the man - doesn't have the Los Pollos Hermanos to pull off like a certain other "nice" bad guy. Drake remains his most believable when rhymes become an excuse for diary pages, which in some ways doesn't sound all that different from Eminem's prime. Like Eminem's bi-annual closet cleaning, a Drake album means he gets to fill us in on his current status with mother and uncle, #humblebrag about the beauties he's bedded while dancing around blaming himself for their consistent disappearances. "From Time", a song owing quite a bit more to good kid, m.A.A.d. city than the Jhené Aiko appearance, strips his mother and a social-famous Hooters girl of any privacy for the sake of a good song, just as show-stealing would-be album closer "Too Much" and the mid-2000s Assholes by Nature-style break up record "Connect".

These songs perk the ears not only because they're gossipy, but because Drake clearly puts his most focused energy into these moments. It's exhaustive the way Drake'll grab a song that appears to be lilting carelessly through the air, as "From Time" tends to, and plant it firmly back on the ground, holding it under his shoe as he explains all the things money can't buy him or his family. Assuming this confessional proclivity is for everyone would be a mistake, but it's clear that his approach to honesty connects with a certain digital malaise consuming this generation; Drake writes rhymes that attempt to convey tiny elements of Louis C.K.'s typically shareable Conan rant about smart phones and sadness.

Thanks to 40's involvement on eight of the thirteen tracks here, Nothing Was the Same can boast fourteen producers without sacrificing a shred of tonal consistency. It's hard to shake the illusion that this is yet another more complete, more satisfying product form Drake - that the ascension continues. But a closer analysis seems to find an artist so sure of what he wants musically that he's a bit worried the actual character can't keep up. "Worst Behavior" has been rightly pointed out as a Rick Ross imitation but those tuned into the mixtape scene are likely way more stunned by his dual turns as Rich Homie Quan, or the envy he has for Z-Ro's dark gargoyle persona throughout "Connect" (a song I would be overwhelmingly taken by if not for a final minute and change that I have no use for). Through smart interlude work and the generally immaculate mainline production of DJ Dahi (expect to finally start seeing this name in bigger places), Nineteen85, Detail, Mike Zombie, Jake One, Chilly Gonzales and even Boi-1da Nothing Was the Same feels consistent despite being far from it.

Before "Worst Behavior" Nothing Was the Same shapes up exceptionally if typically; slow build to the single at track three, stunning album material that follows immediately after you've been hooked in...and then Drake doing Rick Ross. He coins at least three hashtags during the song, feels as engaged as anywhere else and DJ Dahi drops a dime the Kanye West/RZA duo are hanging their heads over, but the consistency is gone forever at that moment. Nothing Was the Same slowly becomes an album of songs designed for different moments in a way neither of his previous albums have, as though Drake were a Team Fortress 2 character trying on hats. "Hold On, We're Going Home" is Drake's bid to be cast in the Grand Theft Auto V version of Vice City, "305 to My City" is so blatantly a strip club song about ordering girls from King of Diamonds up to the T-Dot. "Connect" is this self-loathsome song sandwiched between a starry-eyed pop song and the one where Drake puts himself in the role of Al Pacino opposite Michelle Pfieffer on the dance floor.

While consistently interesting when taken as bite-sized moments, it's been hard over the past week not to look at "Too Much" as the brief return of the album we really want from Drake. This is the sort of song where everything comes together in such new, glimmering ways as to validate any claims Drake makes to shifting the game around on opener "Tuscan Leather". Drake, Sampha and Nineteen85 should be thanked immediately and often for that one. But it also reminds us how distracting the past 20-odd minutes have been, all posturing and cosplay in place of the riveting diary-writing going on around that. There's something about Drake's songs that refuses to be as engaging when he attempts to be a complete asshole - arguably, when he attempts to satiate hip-hop's (former?) core tropes of testosterone and mean mugs. Still enjoyable, to me (RYM note: and that's why I'm giving this album an 8 here but a 7 on PopMatters), but Nothing Was the Same doesn't capitalize on Drake's bipolar desires quite as well as Take Care did despite the condensation of everything into more digestible parts.

By the same token, Nothing Was the Same could very easily grow up to be one of those albums deemed "pretty good" at the time only to be recognized as Drake's most likable album years from now. I certainly wouldn't be surprised.

(The deluxe edition includes "Come Thru", a simple little sex-ballad that's clearly meant as a coda to the closing-track-titular Paris Morton, and "All Me", a Big Sean and 2 Chainz number Drake happens to appear on. They aren't necessary, but R&B Drake fans ought to dig "Come Thru" enough to warrant a purchase.)


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2844953, 650k 1st week
Posted by SeV, Tue Oct-01-13 11:42 PM

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Dallas Heatvricks BACK 2 BACK CHAMPS!!
2845147, 12 songs charted. tying Wayne's record for solo artists
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Oct-02-13 04:53 PM
via billboard

As Drake scores his third No. 1 album on the Billboard 200, "Hold On, We're Going Home" (featuring Majid Jordan), from "Nothing Was the Same," jumps 7-4 on the Hot 100 with the top Streaming Gainer award. It's his first top five hit as a lead artist since "Find Your Love" reached No. 5 in July 2010. "Hold" hikes 4-1 on the subscription services-based On-Demand Songs chart (3.3 million, up 65%) and 12-6 on Streaming Songs (5.7 million, up 86%). It bullets at No. 5 on Radio Songs with a 13% advance to 120 million and rises 3-1 on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs.

With "Hold" climbing, "Wu-Tang Forever" at No. 62 and 10 songs debuting, led by "All Me" (featuring 2 Chainz and Big Sean) at No. 20, Drake claims 12 positions on the Hot 100, tying the mark for the most simultaneously charted titles among soloists: Lil Wayne first posted 12 the week of Sept. 17, 2011. In the Hot 100's 55-year history, only the Beatles have charted more titles at once: 14, April 11, 1964. (Taylor Swift holds the record among women: 11, Nov. 13, 2010).
2845241, That's crazy for an album with only 3 'radio' songs
Posted by SeV, Thu Oct-03-13 03:29 AM

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2845093, The album is wack and he can't sing
Posted by Musa, Wed Oct-02-13 12:12 PM
. Ambient beats are cool sometimes like once or twice other than scion car commercials.

Yall are full of shit.
2845169, when Drake plays GTAV, he picks up prostitutes
Posted by justin_scott, Wed Oct-02-13 07:44 PM
and takes them to safer areas. "Girl, I just want you to be okay. You're better than this. You're the fucking best."
2845174, HERE’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TEXT DRAKE LYRICS TO YOUR EX
Posted by Oak27, Wed Oct-02-13 08:00 PM
http://pigeonsandplanes.com/2013/09/drake-lyrics-text/#item2_263254
2845186, LOL
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Oct-02-13 09:25 PM
this one is funny as hell http://cdn.pigeonsandplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/tet32-266x400.jpg

this one too http://cdn.pigeonsandplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/text23-267x400.jpg

wow! this shit can't be real http://cdn.pigeonsandplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/dddrake-266x400.jpg
2845566, not hating but i'm actually curious
Posted by woe.is.me., Fri Oct-04-13 10:30 AM
what percentage of his sales demographics are women vs men
2845709, Anybody else miss T-minus here?
Posted by Frobert, Fri Oct-04-13 10:01 PM
It's a good album. But still, for as much as I like these drowsy atmospheric beats, having a whole slew of them, only really interrupted by "Hold On, We're Going Home" makes it feel like a longer listen than it actually is. Combine that with Drake's habit of sullenly examining his emotional baggage, and the album can comes off a little self-indulgent. Narcissistic, even. I think a couple of T-minus bangers might have injected some much-needed energy into the album and maybe keep Drake's sound from getting too far up its own ass.
2845777, ^THIS...this is drake's most zzzzzzz record to date...i had to make
Posted by Hellyeah, Sat Oct-05-13 10:56 AM
my own tracklist with all the loosies he dropped this summer to make it listenable
2845803, yeah i agree..but then it would be Take Care again
Posted by Heinz, Sat Oct-05-13 01:37 PM
no?

not exactly sure he was going for that...but i agree i wish T-minus was producing again
2847696, RE: Anybody else miss T-minus here? <--- not really.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Oct-13-13 05:27 PM
2845762, The Needle Drop review
Posted by Hitokiri, Sat Oct-05-13 09:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk-QWzy6ihQ
2846090, this album is depressing
Posted by Calico, Mon Oct-07-13 10:09 AM
...dude needs to leave the strippers and liquor alone...how many strippers/dancers can one guy fall in love with?? how many exes can one man pine over?? one minute he's saying he's above the excess living and just wants it back to basics and the next he's talking bout buying shit just to buy it.....he's talented, but this album seems all over the place spiritually as he tries to touch all the fanbases he can, and reeks of loneliness....

again, i'm not saying there ismn't some damn good stuff on this album and fuck comparing it to whatever, but as i listened to it, most of it had me feeling sorry for the guy cause he sounds depressed...like the money and fame is great, but he isn't happy at the end of the day and longs for a connection....
2847548, Soo, if you made your own tracklisting from this album
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sat Oct-12-13 04:34 PM
and the tracks dropped this summer, what songs are you adding and dropping? Share your playlist.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
2847635, mine>>
Posted by Hellyeah, Sun Oct-13-13 10:23 AM
1 - between us ft. Hazel
2 - no new friends ft. Ross, Wayne, Khaled
3 - furthest thing
4 - started from the bottom
5 - for real ft. Future
6 - own it
7 - worst behaviour
8 - over here ft. partynextdoor
9 - hold on we're going home
10 - connect
11 - girls love beyonce ft. flaunteroy (chop not slop remix)
12 - the motion
13 - 5 am in toronto
14 - good kush & Alchool Ft. wayne & Future
15 - jodeci freestyle ft. J.Cole
16 - come thru
17 - too much