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2841208, RE: It was you who started the thread about that photo w/ her hair
Posted by imcvspl, Mon Sep-16-13 08:31 PM
>But shit, I'm a fan
>of Destiny's Child & Drake so: imcvspl, hi.

LOL!! Funny ref.

>So, your freak out replete w/ sexism comes from being a dad to
>a young daughter (a Black girl or girl of color I presume)
>that is lightweight infatuated w/ Janelle Monae??

I'd debate the replete w/ sexism but yes on everything else. Even in the post I was more or less attacking everyone else but Janelle ("I blame yall mofo's for this")

>Her use of the black & white uniform marked the shift, no?
>When she was down w/ DF she wore "normal" clothes & had curly
>texturized natural hair.

My daughter doesn't know about those days. Her introduction was Archandroid. I don't think she made the black and white connection until after seeing her live and begging me to go out and get her a pair of those shoes.

>Janelle been changing
>clothes/hairstyles but hey, you admit that you overreacted
>(unlike most) so ok.

But she was also pretty firm in interviews after Arch leading up to that point that she wasn't going to stop dressing as she was. Not that she couldn't but it was an artistic decision of hers not to. And every ime she said that in response to an interview it was a push from folk to change. Everytime she didn't comply with that change which everyone either hinted at or directly stated, it was a political statement being made. I'll get more on it in your direct question below.

>Also, this is kinda blowing my mind & making me see parallels
>between the "uh oh" feeling you were expressing & the
>disavowal of Miley by white dads w/ young daughters.
>They too lamented how they were going to explain to their
>daughters why they couldn't listen to her music/watch her
>videos anymore.
>Hmm.

The thing for me isn't really about the look. It's really about holding on to an artistic stance and seeing that through. I'm not putting Janelle on a moral pedestal, I'm putting her on an artistic one (again very consistent from me). In contrast, my daughter has no clue who Miley is. Nothing of artistic merit has been worth sharing with her. I'm not going to go into it here, but there was a whole thing about Lady Gaga with my daughter and a friend. I make judgement calls about artistic integrity in my children's life. Art is my religion... no seriously.

>>Point being feel free to jump to whatever conclusions about
>>me, but I'll own my shit, just speak to me directly about
>it.
>
>LoL, ok.

Sorry but a lot of folk be trying to make these open ended statements about folk when they know exactly who they talking about. Shit's a pet peeve of mine around here.

>That's what I love about who Janelle is in my
>>daughter's life, and at least until she's a teenager I hope
>>Janelle doesn't compromise that.
>
>^^last sentence isn't clear & Idw assume so Imma ask...
>Iyo, who is Janelle in your daughter's life?
>We ALL compromise everyday (including Janelle), so what
>specifically is it that you hope Janelle doesn't compromise
>until your daughter is a teenager?

For me Janelle walks a line which is very difficult in this era, which is non conformity (obviously debatable but you know what I mean). She clearly presents herself as different, and for me represents the idea that for a black female being different is perfectly okay. Take a tally of all the images of black females regularly in the public eye, and it's clear. Without someone like her, the pressure from all those other images is that you cannot be different, you have to conform to those ideas.

And just for the record these are my thoughts but my daughter comes to things for herself. She hasn't even gotten to the depth of it all yet, as evident by my bit above regarding the rap on Q.U.E.E.N.

But just look what she's in store for grasping:

"Are we a lost generation of our people?
Add us to equations but they'll never make us equal
She who writes the movie owns the script and the sequel
So why ain't the stealing of my rights made illegal?
They keep us underground working hard for the greedy
But when it's time pay they turn around and call us needy
My crown too heavy like the Queen Nefertiti
Gimme back my pyramid, I'm trying to free Kansas City
Mixing masterminds like your name Bernie Grundman
Well I'mma keep leading like a young Harriet Tubman
You can take my wings but I'm still goin' fly
And even when you edit me the booty don't lie
Yeah keep singing, I'mma keep writing songs
I'm tired of Marvin asking me +What's Going On?+
March to the streets 'cuz I'm willing and I'm able
Categorize me, I defy every label
And while you're selling dope, we're gonna keep selling hope
We rising up now, you gotta deal you gotta cope
Will you be electric sheep? Electric ladies, will you sleep?
Or will you preach?"


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