What you say?

OB4CLII
Shaolin Vs Wu Tang

both dope albums

then the last two can go in any order, because I haven't listened to them in years b/c they weren't that good :/

OB4CL2
Shao-Lin vs. Wu-Tang
Immobilarity
Lex Diamond Story

Never heard any of the "Vatican" mixtapes so I can't speak on them.

>OB4CL2
>Shao-Lin vs. Wu-Tang
>Immobilarity
>Lex Diamond Story
>
>Never heard any of the "Vatican" mixtapes so I can't speak on
>them.

OB4CL II @@@@
Shaolin vs Wu Tang @@@ 1/2
Lost Jewelry (free tape) @@ 1/2
Immobilarity @ 1/2 (only cause of the Pete Rock Song)
Lex Diamonda Story n/a never bothered to listen cause Immobilarity scarred me

He's had a good career IMO. In particular when we add the Wu years /albums

i mean, its not amazing - but its still a solid 3.5, maybe even a 4

if you remove the expectations of OB4CL and put it more in the context of Wu-Tang sophomore solo album, it ranks pretty high among the rest

the irony of it being based on The Godfather Part III is pretty apt,
a pretty good movie wildly shit on for failing to live up to its predecessors' unbeatable expectations



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It has a good 7 or 8 really dope songs. But the production killed him. Why he thought it was a good idea to go without any RZA beats is insane.

>It has a good 7 or 8 really dope songs.

exactly.

thats all i was saying, people act like "Sneakers" is the only thing worth salvaging
when its not even the best song on the album (thats "Live From New York" for my money)

>But the production
>killed him. Why he thought it was a good idea to go without
>any RZA beats is insane.

Rae has always seemed to be (one of) the problem child in Wu
whenever there's talks of them breaking up he's never too far from the root of the disagreement


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3 out of 5 at the highest. I liked it more than most but to build on your analogy, Godfather Part III is a forgettably "okay" movie taken on it's own. As an end to the trilogy it is fairly abysmal. Some terrible choices in supporting cast and a story that never really comes together into anything half as coherent as it needs to be.

Left to his own devices, Rae's albums are always going to be spotty.

Immobilarity was based on godfather 3?????


layer cake!

the entire intro is all quotes from the movie


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Seems I need to re watch the godfathers as an adult. I saw part 3 in the theater when I was lie 13. I was likely stoned.

What I remember was that the beats were total fettucini-shit with sad "mafioso"-strings and shit. I was extremely sick of that vibe and never really liked it (and note that "OB4CL" never really sounded like that; not even "Rainy Dayz" or "Knowledge god", it was just a spice) so that was an immediate drawback.

As for his rapping, I remember it lacking the intensity and aggression in the delivery he had earlier (to be honest, this already started to happen on "Iron man" and the double wu disc but if you had foils like GFK and others, it's obviously not as big of a deal) and I was tired of those type of lyrics/imaginery as well even if I guess that part was straight-he *is* a good/great rapper.

I need to revisit honestly, they have it on spotify apparently so I will give it a listen again but I doubt my opinion has changed.

As for his later stuff, I have only heard "OB4CL 2" and "Shaolin vs wu-tang" and I like both of those, the first one in particular. "Shaolin..." felt a bit slight and I haven't played it much since the release but it's still good; that's another one I need to play again even if it's a quite recent album...

so the overwhelming disappointment is understandable
but in the context of everything that's come out since, it still holds it own pretty well

its worth revisiting, its first half is especially strong & consistent
towards the last few tracks it tries to get "early 2000's clubby" & falls (very) short

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so there was already leakage.

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Immobilarity is what is, obvi, though given the wackness of late 90's NYC i kinda get what he attempted to do and in a weird way it's way more serious than most of his contemporaries efforts from that same time. it still sucks though aside from the glorious "sneakers".


the next one was madd forgettable but may have a few mints to be mined. i'm not about to do that, though.


Cuban Linx 2 is the best long rap album of the late 00's.


Shaolin Vs. Wu Tang is a very good listen. I even like the Caron Wheeler/Soul II Soul tribute 'Chop Chop Ninja' that the internets were really mean to and use it as a proverbial yardstick to out a cac or fuck nigga online.


I don't see Rae ever releasing wack albums again....but rap is over so it's moot at this point.