if that's true, ok... make another hov.

almost 10 years later, this was one of the most etherous line of all-time considering dame did nothing.

at the time, i thought he was counting dame short.
now? nope, he nailed it.

you mean to tell me you got all this money and you can't get another rappers career off the ground from that circumstance?

and miss me with currensy, he's cool but he's 30+ and he's on album #15 in 3 years.
that's not a success.

too much flossin, too much sam rothstein..
shoulda stayed in food & beverage...


lol, ow

Or at least that's not what I got out of that interview he recently did on the Combat Jack Show. He made it seem like he was done with HIp Hop, cause I remember him saying something along the lines like a 40 something year old can't really do Hip Hop. And he spoke on how it's a "young man's game".

2007, 2008, 2009?

>2007, 2008, 2009?
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Yeah but did Dame go out and try to find another "Hov" right away. Besides, Dame was probably just joking when he said that.

I really don't think he cares about finding another "Hov". If anything, I think he just wishes they both of them were still on good terms. I think he could care less about the business and politics.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

dude on the Blakroc album

it's crazy to me that the dame dash music group never got any major backers/distribution.
i guess he burned too many brides while on top.
still doesn't answer for why he couldn't discover/make another "hot" act without jay/def jam.

i mean he HAD the black keys.
currensy sued him. the black keys shitted on him.

in retrospect, that line was straight up ether.
it's crazy how quickly we deem people on top "smart" businessmen.
dame dash, like jay-z, like 50 cent, like suge knight was just right place right time and was lucky.
delusions of grandeur has never helped anyone's output.
...especially when you are starting from scratch.

I do think he's somewhat responsible for Jay-Z success but just as much as Jay-Z is. He was hustling with Jay-Z when no one wanted to sign Jay-Z and he was the one who was like "we're going to do this independently" because Jay-Z couldn't get signed.

But in no way, shape or form do I think Dame "made" Jay-Z. It was a team effort among Jay-Z, Dame and Biggs.

i doubt dame dash or anyone who made jay-z as big as he is/was think they can make 'another' hov, thats just a witty play on words. the point is that yes, jay-z helped make himself successful, but he didnt do it alone. he is one of the least grateful artists in recent memory from all accounts. so no one is saying that he wouldnt be shit without them or their input over the years, just that he is what he is, due to the help of those around him. would he be the same artist or have had the same path with others working for/with him? i doubt it. its a lot of hurt feelings that created that line thats been quoted, its not to be taken that literally. rap fans need to stop thinking in such binary terms and falling for one extreme argument over another.

like TV, commercials, etc etc

nuanced complex issues can be dismissed by quoting one line of poetry & acting as if its some sort of magical answer bc its clever

jay z lines are, in fact, used for this purpose more than any other rapper im aware of

I saw him say out of his damn mouth that Jim Jones was about to release an album better than RD.

So yeah, its just a hot line

If they are alive Jay is just a big lipped cocaine
rapper not no mogul

He literally does nothing Biggie couldn't do

He's not more of a sex symbol, isn't a bigger rapper,
definitely not more charismatic

I am a Jay fan, btw

and Jay could have slide right in there then.

ur saying ppl didnt hate on the album bc he was dead?

hmmmm...dubious

>If they are alive Jay is just a big lipped cocaine rapper not no mogul

big and pac were rappers. great rappers. but thats all they ever would have been.
jay was going to be a businessman whether they were around or not.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

what? you think big is getting in on basketball teams and sports agencies?
you think pac is doing a clothing line or his own nightclubs?
you think EITHER of them are getting Brand Director for Budweiser?

F......O......H

let's just stop with that.

maybe one day you'll get to meet him!!!

which is why I didn't include Big in my reply, glad you're keeping an eye out tho!

>If they are alive Jay is just a big lipped cocaine
>rapper not no mogul
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>He literally does nothing Biggie couldn't do
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>He's not more of a sex symbol, isn't a bigger rapper,
>definitely not more charismatic
>
>I am a Jay fan, btw
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because he went to the king of R&B to colab on a bigger scale.

Kellz was before Beyonce, Sinkin Park,Timberfake,

and then when the camel did that corny album with Kayne you knew where it came from.

but the line was too fuckin long

not only did the doctor pull you out of there, however i heard he went in for the Nestea plunge and invited his homies for a first side view.

turkey your mamma is set to appear in 5,4,3,2,1 on Maury Povich's show and maybe they might find out who your daddy is and yet so many names are on your mama's tree who will ever know turkey?

This is pathetic R. Kelly dick riding even for you.

to other audeinces. acting like there colabs weren't important to Jay Z's career? "Fiesta" not Guilty" was a huge colab especially when Jay Z was in serious trouble and guess who sang the Hook, Kellz, Jigga not guilty? you better act like you remember turkey.

Jay Z jumped with Kellz after he saw Puffy, Nas, Biggie all hit with Kellz.

Camel fans think this turkey ain't used everybody he has worked with to get further ahead? SMH

my god kellz has nothing to do with this holy fuck

dame gave kanye his shot, and supported him
hov just looked at ye sideways at first
now look at ye
bigger than jay-z
without the help of his wife
now? with a kardashian?
he's major
bet

Pretty sure Jay even moved more units of BP3 than MBDTF

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that's all I will say on that