https://soundcloud.com/lupesoundcloud/jonylah-forever

Salutes.

.

If he really wants to stop violence, he should run
for the state senate.

(c) The Lesson

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why not just ignore the post?

Nevermind, I guess you were just doing your very important civic duty to inform the masses.

>why not just ignore the post?
>
>Nevermind, I guess you were just doing your very important
>civic duty to inform the masses.

I mean, the song is obviously incredible.

I'm just beating the Lesson to the punch, just in case
The Lesson decides to think for themselves, which they
won't.

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No message

shows you how poorly received Lupe is (and deserves to be, IMO)

Like Lupe literally ruined some of y'all Friday night
plans by spitting what is essentially a perfect song,
with lyricism on display that nobody has touched in
2013


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Had I listened to the song first it would have been obvious that you were being sarcastic. A jacksass is me

The Lesson doesn't agree, but its not even close at this
point.

Like, he just effortlessly spews fire


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His songwriting, beat selection and message are the tightest they've ever been. I'm glad he still has hunger in him b/c not many rappers do with such rocky careers.

>beat selection

I agree dude can still rap his ass off, and if we're talking lyrics, he remains one of the best around, but that last album left a lot to be desired in terms of the beats, IMO anyway.

his last two albums have generally had beats that I didn't like, they just weren't my style, and to be honest both of those albums suck in my opinion

but

Lupe is definitely one of the best straight up spitters out right now

also, this song.....is dope as hell

just man....

I'm literally in tears...Didn't know the little girl...But I knew kids that would grow up to only die in such a manner...

I've had my issues with Lupe over the years (He's been very inconsistent)...But this is way too deep and poignant...

It's beautiful and heartbreaking....

Damn...

right at my desk. incredible.

but i cant hate on this. props.

It was a great song without that little loop.

I actually just caught it.

still doubt you listened to it though.

bwahahahhahahahahahaahhahhahaha

you mad that Lupe just taught everyone how to rap?

Hmmm

Don't worry -- talk about how he doesn't really understand
drones or something like that...say that enough and it might
make this song less amazing

Otherwise you just gonna sit and stew


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if you actually listened to them you'd probably agree.

Wanna hug?
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and all the other music you talk about if you spent less time looking at Pitchfork.

Kinda sucks when a rapper the Lesson hates teaches
us what rap is

: (


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What's your favorite part?

Verses work well to tell a coherent story while showing off is technical prowess. No shitty Coldplay-lite singing on it nor are there any talking cheeseburgers. This is a sound he should stick with for his next album.

>Verses work well to tell a coherent story while showing off
>is technical prowess. No shitty Coldplay-lite singing on it
>nor are there any talking cheeseburgers. This is a sound he
>should stick with for his next album.

Yeah, song has it all lyrically: flow, coherence, storytelling,
wordplay and the patented Lupe concept flip

I also agree that he's among the most gifted, if not most,
gifted in the game lyrically

I think your praise is a tad steep, but I'd have to agree
with most of it.

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It's amazing how quickly you revert to base sarcasm after somebody pulls your card about not actually listening/watching shit.

I mean, the layering, the wordplay, flow. Just based
on rapping alone this song is classic.

Yeah, I agree that this song is kinda landmark in the
quantum contrast between this and the next best lyrical
song of 2013.

Its kind of uncomfortable in that regard. Like, it might
fuck with the way we listen to music this year.

I'm with you.

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I think your enthusiasm stems more from the fact that it's one of the rare Lupe songs with both a good beat and quality hook. They're very rare.

You're on the money with this one.


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Kendrick probably clearly lit a fire under his ass. Hopefully, he sees that a quality album is the best way to get the indie rock critic love he's been chasing most of his career. He doesn't need to pander with Radiohead freestyles.

Sorta melodramatic, but I can see it.

It is that good.

And I agree: who is fucking with this dude lyrically?

No one.

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Hook-writing skills are terrible though. He might want to buy hooks from Roscoe Dash or somebody with more talent in that department. His ability to make an album is his biggest weakness all in all. Dude should get Danny Brown or Kendrick to help him pick beats/structure the album. Lupe needs a better team around him if he wants to live up to his potential. Whomever is telling him to do songs with American Idol contestants clearly doesn't understand his strengths and weaknesses.

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flawed as his albums may be his pen game is unmatched. the way he executes concepts is amazing.

He does things that no one else is capable of.

Eminem is actually similar in that regard: we don't
love all of his work, but he's capable of things
lyrically that no one else is.

There aren't 10 rappers ever I can say that about.


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█▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄▁▃
Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

.

NOBODY

Wow!

check for everything Soap&Skin has done since the first album...I hadn't heard this song (the sample source)...Lupe did it justice and then some though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKB1ba03qiA at all

And props to the lesson being mad about it.

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nothing but praise for it, and it's well deserved. dope ass song

...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-jonylah-watkins-person-of-interest-20130526,0,752926.story


Career criminal charged in Jonylah Watkins slaying

By Adam Sege, Carlos Sadovi and Dawn Rhodes
Tribune reporters
4:18 p.m. CDT, May 27, 2013

First-degree murder charges have been lodged against a 33-year-old Chatham neighborhood man in the fatal shooting of 6-month-old Jonylah Watkins in March, according to officials.

Koman Willis of the 7800 block of South St. Lawrence Avenue was charged with killing the girl and was also charged with aggravated battery with a firearm for shooting the girl's father on March 11, according to Sally Daly, a spokeswoman for Cook County State's Atty. Anita Alvarez.

According to court records, Willis has been arrested 46 times going back to 1996.

He has prior convictions for aggravated assault of a police officer from a 2002 incident in which he was sentenced to three years in the Illinois Department of Corrections, a 2007 conviction for drugs for which he was sentenced to one year in prison, and a conviction for a 2005 drug charge for which he received a year in prison. He also was convicted on a 1998 weapons charge for which he received probation, according to court records.

Police had been holding Willis at Area Central police headquarters, sources said.

At a press conference, police superintendent Garry F. McCarthy formally announced the charges and said the charges marked a milestone for the investigators.

"Mr. Willis has been a suspect for a very long time," McCarthy said. "The question was whether or not we could show it in a court of law."

McCarthy said that Willis allegedly shot Jonathan Watkins "in retaliation for a stolen video game system," but would not say why Willis suspected Watkins for the burglary. Watkins is not expected to be charged for any such burglary, McCarthy said.

He also said that Willis turned himself in on Saturday, accompanied by an attorney, but did not give police a statement.

"He knew we were out looking for him," McCarthy said.

Rev. Corey Brooks, who has frequently spoken on behalf of Jonylah's family, said that her parents spent today, Memorial Day, at their daughter's grave site.

"They are very grateful and thankful," Brooks said. "Hopefully they'll be able to put this part behind them and go forward."

Watkins and her father were shot the afternoon of March 11 as they sat in a minivan parked in the South Side's Woodlawn neighborhood, according to police.

Jonylah was rushed to Comer Children's Hospital after the shooting, which happened shortly before 1 p.m. near the intersection of East 65th Street and South Maryland Avenue. She died the following day.

Her 29-year-old father, who was shot multiple times and treated at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, survived. Police believe he was the shooter's intended target.

Like Hadiya Pendleton, a 15-year-old high school student killed less than two months earlier, Jonylah made national headlines as yet another young victim of gun violence in Chicago.

More than than 500 people were killed in the city last year, the vast majority by gunfire. It was the first time Chicago passed that number since 2008.

Tribune reporter Jeremy Gorner contributed.
asege@tribune.com
Twitter: @AdamSege

csadovi@tribune.com

cdrhodes@tribune.com

Lesson mad, as usual.

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I guess the holidays have you feeling extra lonely.

like, not even one person saying that it's just okay. every single person loves this song. there's nothing but love for this song.

>like, not even one person saying that it's just okay. every
>single person loves this song. there's nothing but love for
>this song.

Nah, people are praising the message like "its nice that
he made this song" and not telling it like it is:

Lyrically this is one of the better songs in recent memory.
Every single lyrical pillar is knocked down, all aspects
are covered. Its that good.

You guys are mostly saying "Aww, nice that Lupe made this."

The Lesson is full of insecure nerds

His pen game is still amazing.

Cry, sissies


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And he posted after you did. Cmon. Stop trying to act like people hating when they're actually loving something

Lesson just FILLED with joyous anger

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And secondly why everybody that get called out for it wanna say, "well can't you just ignore when I said that nice thing about Lupe?"


STFU

LOOK, you want to take a second and be serious about Lupe, because there should be no mistaking what the fuck this motherfucker's career arc has been. EVERY mixtape before food and liq was something to take notice to. Food and Liq comes out and it's everything you want it to be, great guest spots, production from top producers and some unknowns, content not super preachy, but entertaining.

Dude has a good tour, etc.

The Cool was aight, I think he tried to force the concept too hard. Lasers is bullshit and if he didn't lose you as a fan then, THEN YOU ARE NOT BEING OBJECTIVE AND ARE JUST BEING A DICK RIDING FAN.

Food and Liq 2, that hangover from Lasers was rough, but if you give it a listen or listen to a song or two out of context, on a playlist or something comes up on random, you'll be like "woa this is good, what album is this? oh Food and Liq 2?", and if you are like me it becomes a real struggle to appreciate it.

All the rappers I grew up with that had a political edge, never really sounded so preachy or like they were about to cry about the shit. I'm from Chicago so believe me I deal with Lupe cum guzzlers all the time, the fact that he's just become 'Lupe' is like nails on a chalk board to me because I constantly have to deal with people talking about 'Lupe' with no context of who the fuck this motherfucker was. Cuz I have no idea who he is now.

Lupe used to be just a regular dude, that had a gangster rap influence and also rolled in those circles, but was more or less a conscience rapper / nerd rapper from that sphere. Pardon if any of those terms are like nails on a chalkboard to you.

SO FINALLY when I hear a song like "old school love' I'm just kind of like what kind of pussy shit is this? FAMILY BUSINESS IS A MUCH BETTER SONG FIRST OF ALL AND IF YOU ORIGINAL THEN MAKE SOME ORIGINAL SHIT. I DON'T GIVE 2 FUCKS WHO YOU DEDICATED YOUR SHIT TO, BECAUSE IF YOU DEDICATED SOME UNORIGINAL SHIT TO THEM, THEN YOU MIGHT AS WELL SAY FUCK YOU TO THAT PERSON, THIS WAS THE BEST I COULD DO. .99 ON ITUNES.

I mean really, how many times are we gonna get this preamble for Lupe like "Lupe back! No Bullshit!" and then it's all bullshit.


As for Jonylah Forever...I mean I'd be an asshole to talk shit about a song dedicated to a slain infant. Let alone to break it down. Does have bars and is preachy, but isn't uber preachy, but I guess thats the burden one bares when you do something so polarizing. Being from Chicago I've seen and heard about 'violence in Chicago' through a ton of filters, and I think it's just the people that are themselves in spite of the shit around them that are making the best music and most recognized music. Because there's no gimmick there, no like cry for desperation. Lupe doesn't have to cry for desperation when dropping a track like that so its his own agenda. Rappers need to quit dropping songs and goto a soup kitchen or some shit tho.

OOOO YOOOOUUUU MAAAAAADDDD!?!?!?!?!??


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

without even mentioning the song this thread is about once?

I guess I could have just typed this

I mean really, how many times are we gonna get this preamble for Lupe like "Lupe back! No Bullshit!" and then it's all bullshit.

But you won't, because you don't listen to music.

You're just mad, probably because you're you're not getting
the manpurse you wanted for Christmas

Or because Lupe farted in your dinner

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

and to be thorough...

really though, no reason to hard body defend Lupe Fiasco. Theres no doubt he's got skill, I think there was a wave he created that he just flat out ignored and as a fan that shit felt like a slap in the face. Like as though execs said, theres no changing you, but make your message broader and broader and broader, til it's fairly diluted. So when he goes back to being political like this, pardon me if I gotta look at who this dude has been. Context provides a much more insightful appreciation. There's enough puff pieces written about these dudes, if people are just going to non objectively jock, who has time for that? I feel like half this thread was policing who said what about Jonylah anyway.

So when he goes
>back to being political like this, pardon me if I gotta look
>at who this dude has been.

Bwahahah

this song isn't "political" at all, Einstein

I looove the Lesson



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

what?

I listened to the song. The youtube page has a picture of Jonylah throughout. The act of making the song and putting her picture up, that is certainly a move, if not political. I feel like the terms socially conscious/political go hand in hand. I don't get what you are trying to do, but it's certainly not have a discussion.

You ever heard Song for Assata? Is that not a political song to you? The reason why all the balls of that song were clipped is because of who Common became after the fact. Like how does one go from Song for Assata to name checking Ryan Phillipe and Resse Witherspoon, SOMETHING I WILL NEVER FORGIVE. but I digress.

I get that the word political can be divisive, but it certainly doesn't mean you gotta be on some nationalistic shit in your content. I believe Lupe's message is getting at; imagine the days of this girl's life had she been given a chance to live it, or the system is so fucked that this girl wasn't able to do A, B, C. Def separated from some "Fuck Rahm, fuck Chicago, yada yada" It's more or less about life. With the Jonylah song Lupe took a stance, with the rollout of that girls picture, that is being provocative without the sexiness associated with the word provocative.

So if speaking on social injustice doesn't go hand in hand with being political or if that's funny to you, I dunno if you can handle this discussion fam. The only thing aside from this song being, just fine, nothing really special, is that at least Lupe's preachy framework makes this palatable and at least he hasn't necessarily sold out despite diluting his initial philosophies as an MC.

An artist completely nullifies an entire body of work that you loved because they've made pop-pandering music afterwards? You can never enjoy ANYTHING by them before or after ever again? That counts out Lupe and Common, along with Nas, Jay-Z, Kanye, Ice Cube, Big KRIT, practically every rapper signed to a major label in the past 20 years

Pretty much. Stick to your guns. Objectively, fun music is fun music, but I mean if you want me to really put you into consideration, is it just that you take yourself seriously until you reach an apex of success?

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isn't that where we all usually fall out of love with rappers as artists? That's certainly where they are most vulnerable for critique.

I mean in that post I'm not like where the fuck is the next skate song from Lupe lol. And I've tried to stay as objective as I can here. Common has made egregious assaults against who he once was just because he got a SAG card. EGREGIOUS. point blank.

You see posts in the lesson all the time about how Kweli should just hang it up, but he's been the same rapper for years, and that's been his problem, so sticking to your guns fails from time to time if you can't reinvent yourself properly. I don't have a problem with reinvention as long as it's not overt pop pandering. Kanye West and Jay-z were always pop pandering, so nothing is new in that core philosophy, they are who they are. When someone like Common or Lupe does a 180, how can I not take notice if they have strayed, I'm only listening to motherfuckers for what they have to say an how they say it in the first place. Fuck I mean Pac pop-pandered/ contradicted himself, but he and a host of artists have done it way better than how artists are doing it today.

Maybe the last 10 years of pop culture is just too cringe worthy for me. Like the fuck I want rappers talking about reality tv for? or two actors that nobody will give a shit about when it's all said and done?

Like none of this is deathly serious, but this is my problem with the state of hip hop in the last 10 years, all the dudes that said you can't fake it when I was growing up, I believed them. And constantly I was reminded that that was my bad and motherfuckers will change at the drop of a dime for some dough, I mean its sad to me and it should be sad to all of you, not that people change, but that their forced to dilute their own voice to be heard.

Study hard, inbox me if you need help with Calculus.


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9-Xg5_xrzpU/TGt2kcYHwnI/AAAAAAAAAww/K8klgzWdo8I/s400/lupe+fiasco.jpg

I'm not gonna let up on this one

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Between Jonylah Forever, SLR 2, SLR 3, his verse on Wale's Poor Decisions, and Animal Pharm (though not as much as the others), Lupe has had some of my favorite verses of the year. All of those verses showcase different parts of his skill set, too.

Old School Love is sort of blah, though. It's solid, but I haven't felt a need to listen to it since my first time hearing it. I'm looking forward to the album, but treading cautiously.

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Guess I'll have to look that up

bruh