he looked the part but most of his songs were about bitches & niggas lol

they were?

i thought they were about police harasment, free one's self from mental colonial enslavement, and living healthy

along with healthy doses of conservative shit like stay away from hoes, a good woman is chaste, cook, cleans and reads to kids, homos are against the divine way, and don't do drugs but smoke tha weed

>he looked the part but most of his songs were about bitches &
>niggas lol

http://en.rian.ru/images/16497/59/164975974.jpg

lol...this cat right here...

Dude was no Wise Intelligent or KRS, from what I remember he spent more time talking down on folks than he spent trying to spread a positive uplifting message. Where were the jewels? Where was his manifesto? All I can remember is Jeru speaking ill of things that he considered to be beneath him. That'a not really "conscious rap" imo. He's a dope rapper but his anti-commercial rap tirades were more gimmicky than people most would like to admit.
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*JERU VOICE*

"Stop doing so much wrong/start doing right/you must walk through the darkness/and march to the light/gain health and find wealth within thyself/and put the Air Jordan's back on the shelf"

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>P.S. That song you are quoting contains a bunch of lame
>cliches and generalities
>

Nigga-

Shut allllll the way the fuck up.

Jeru was definitely conscious, spit shit with a message,
did the knowledge, love of the black community, all
that.

He also liked pussy and fly shit like the next nigga from
Flatbush, and would get huffy on a nigga if he had to.

Those two things are contradictory only in Lessonland,
where you find reasons to dislike any rapper who has
ever said anything positive about anything. Where we hate
Common for being in Gap commercials (which, allegedly, is
"forced and/or contradictory"); Lupe for...everything ("because
he thinks he's smart and really isn't"); Mos Def for having baby
momma drama ("because....he's Mos Def and isn't supposed to have
a dick"); where Talib Kweli for...everything (See Lupe's complaint
+ some Lesson whining about him being "preachy")

Jeru's message was perfectly consistent as far as I'm
concerned, and even if it wasn't, who gives a fuck, because:

a) He dropped some heat

b) y'all put few other rappers under the microscope the
same way


You all are seriously the dumbest, most delusional pieces
of dogshit niggas on the internet...or on the planet


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>Jeru was definitely conscious, spit shit with a message,
>did the knowledge, love of the black community, all
>that.
>
>He also liked pussy and fly shit like the next nigga from
>Flatbush, and would get huffy on a nigga if he had to.

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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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>I hope you sprain your ankle on the way to work tomorrow.

PREACH!

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HA HA HA HA HA AH!
>Nigga-
>
>Shut allllll the way the fuck up.
>
>Jeru was definitely conscious, spit shit with a message,
>did the knowledge, love of the black community, all
>that.
>
>He also liked pussy and fly shit like the next nigga from
>Flatbush, and would get huffy on a nigga if he had to.
>
>Those two things are contradictory only in Lessonland,
>where you find reasons to dislike any rapper who has
>ever said anything positive about anything. Where we hate
>Common for being in Gap commercials (which, allegedly, is
>"forced and/or contradictory"); Lupe for...everything
>("because
>he thinks he's smart and really isn't"); Mos Def for having
>baby
>momma drama ("because....he's Mos Def and isn't supposed to
>have
>a dick"); where Talib Kweli for...everything (See Lupe's
>complaint
>+ some Lesson whining about him being "preachy")
>
>Jeru's message was perfectly consistent as far as I'm
>concerned, and even if it wasn't, who gives a fuck, because:
>
>a) He dropped some heat
>
>b) y'all put few other rappers under the microscope the
>same way
>
>
>You all are seriously the dumbest, most delusional pieces
>of dogshit niggas on the internet...or on the planet
>
>
>I hope you sprain your ankle on the way to work tomorrow.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

>Dude was no Wise Intelligent or KRS, from what I remember he
>spent more time talking down on folks than he spent trying to
>spread a positive uplifting message. Where were the jewels?
>Where was his manifesto? All I can remember is Jeru speaking
>ill of things that he considered to be beneath him. That'a
>not really "conscious rap" imo. He's a dope rapper but his
>anti-commercial rap tirades were more gimmicky than people
>most would like to admit.
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Jeru can be conscious and still be battle rapper. KRS-One is a good example of this, and KRS-One was guilty of all the stuff you're faulting Jeru.

A lot of conscious rap had the element of destroy and rebuild. Aka imma diss this wack stuff and then show you whats really hot.

>>Dude was no Wise Intelligent or KRS, from what I remember
>he
>>spent more time talking down on folks than he spent trying
>to
>>spread a positive uplifting message. Where were the jewels?
>
>>Where was his manifesto? All I can remember is Jeru
>speaking
>>ill of things that he considered to be beneath him. That'a
>>not really "conscious rap" imo. He's a dope rapper but his
>>anti-commercial rap tirades were more gimmicky than people
>>most would like to admit.
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>
>Jeru can be conscious and still be battle rapper. KRS-One is a
>good example of this, and KRS-One was guilty of all the stuff
>you're faulting Jeru.
>
>A lot of conscious rap had the element of destroy and rebuild.
>Aka imma diss this wack stuff and then show you whats really
>hot.
>
>

He wasn't bringing much useful info to the people or trying to motivate the masses for a cause, he was just dissing things he didn't like and bigging up his crew & borough. I have no issue with that, I just wouldn't call it conscious rap.

he could be rapping about revolution but he prolly knew better.. real revolution takes place within... that's why ya playin self was a very conscious tune.. etc etc..

dude spit rasta and 5% ideology all over his work

i always felt the sun rises in the east was pretty clear in its intent to 'enlighten'
whether it did or not is another story
but it definitely came from a place of so called 'consciousness'

>dude spit rasta and 5% ideology all over his work
>
>i always felt the sun rises in the east was pretty clear in
>its intent to 'enlighten'
>whether it did or not is another story
>but it definitely came from a place of so called
>'consciousness'

KRS is about that activism
Wise Intelligent is about that activism
Chuck D is about that activism
Dead Prez is about that activism
Boots Riley is about that activism
Mos Def at times is about that activism
Pac at times was about that activism
Immortal Technique is about that activism
Homeboy Sandman is about that activism

Jeru? Nah he was just RAPPING. That may qualify him as a "conscious rapper" to you, but to me it's just an image that allowed him to position himself on the rap landscape.
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>.

There's no standard definition for "conscious rapper" so please don't think I'm trying to say I'm right and you're wrong.

Is social awareness the defining factor?

Or does "conscious" = "social/political awareness + spirituality"

For me I'd say it's "social/political awareness + spirituality + some tangible form of activism". Lip service doesn't cut it.
Grand Puba was dope as hell but he wasn't a conscious rapper either by my definition.

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i think the label is silly and needs to be thrown out.

WHY WON'T YOU FIT IN MY RAPPER BOX!?!!???!

I don't think he was trying to fit Jeru into a box necessarily. I think he was just trying to determine whether or not Jeru tried to appear as if he was a socially conscious rapper while not really actually being someone who was always all that conscious himself.

I don't agree or disagree with his thoughts/question, just figured I'd defend his right to ask it.

But...still your response is really funny.

Just asking.

Remember when he punched out the promoter from San Francisco?

Way back in "Come Clean" days?

Didn't hear about that, but I faintly recall people saying he got a good amount of boos when he performed in SF back then.. talkin' that "sun rises in the east" and "when the east is in the house" stuff to west coast audiences at a time a lot of people weren't trying to hear it.

>
Nope.

It really happened. Long story. Some promoter (white dude) flew Jeru out to SF to do a show right when he only had "Come Clean" out. Jeru did the show, I guess played not very long...like 15-20 minutes or something. The promoter had apparently fronted him a blunch of $ and didn't feel like Jeru put in a decent show so the promoter called him out on it in the media...

Fast forward a bit to a Gang Starr/Jeru show in SF....Jeru supposedly confronted the guy and punched him.

I didn't see the first show...but I was at the Gang Starr one...so I'm pretty sure the skirmish happened.

>
Oops. Sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBQDWsBewSs

and led me to my eventual stance that a lot of "conscious rap" poisoned the mind of my generation.

Because in those days, "conscious rap" was often used interchangeably with "positive rap"... but I soon realized that Jeru was one of the most "negative" rappers out there. He didn't celebrate anything conscious.. as the OP said, he spent most of his time talking down to folks, badmouthing other "positive" artists who were more popular than him, and using "consciousness" to justify a misogyny that was deeper and more virulent than almost anything to be found on the average gangsta rap record of the day.

I mean, could anybody claim that they actually *learned* anything from Jeru's records? That they had their mind opened and primed to embrace knowledge and learning?

*shrug* maybe... there's something out there for everybody, so it's likely that someone out there was educated by Jeru. I ultimately felt his "consciousness" was a pose, and a very nasty and deceptive one.

>and led me to my eventual stance that a lot of "conscious
>rap" poisoned the mind of my generation.
>
>Because in those days, "conscious rap" was often used
>interchangeably with "positive rap"... but I soon realized
>that Jeru was one of the most "negative" rappers out there. He
>didn't celebrate anything conscious.. as the OP said, he spent
>most of his time talking down to folks, badmouthing other
>"positive" artists who were more popular than him, and using
>"consciousness" to justify a misogyny that was deeper and more
>virulent than almost anything to be found on the average
>gangsta rap record of the day.
>
>I mean, could anybody claim that they actually *learned*
>anything from Jeru's records? That they had their mind opened
>and primed to embrace knowledge and learning?
>
>*shrug* maybe... there's something out there for everybody, so
>it's likely that someone out there was educated by Jeru. I
>ultimately felt his "consciousness" was a pose, and a very
>nasty and deceptive one.

Personally I don't think he's earned the tag "conscious rapper", but I do recognize that people wanted to put him in that box back then. He was dope mc but he gave more detail to his snobbish and bigoted material than he did to his positive, uplifting stuff.
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I think a lot of the replies in this post are short-sighted and dismissive of OP. Quoting or shouting out a particular song isn't enough. And OE apparently has a crush on me, so I can't really take much he says seriously. You and AFKAP put thought and detail into your responses.


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Since when was that "trolling"?

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When I remember how much I gloried in that track back in the day and believed that it contained "science"... *facepalm*

C'mon yall. The fuck is this our first week in the lesson or some shit?
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i listened to sun rises and wrath of the math in their entirety in the car and it kinda dawned on me then that.... hey this guy just rapped about bitches and niggas!?

now im from the west and when he came out i thought that was the image of conscious rap. headwrap... eastern philosophy themed album titles... etc. i was a kid then so i wasnt gonna try to dissect him.... i just knew i loved the first 10 secs of come clean

was his napoleonic complex.

Thing though is I never associated positivity with consciousness. Black consciousness had a serious layer of militance. Some were more Black Panther Party with it. Others more Clarence 13X with it. Right to be hostile and all that.

Then milatance gets countered by thugged gangstaisms which is how you get someone like Jeru who wasn't positive but very much on the millitant side of consciousness.

I think it's funny now that people associate conscious rap with the likes of Common or Mos and Talib, but they were literally the last wave and in the scheme of hip-hop perhaps the reason conscious rap died hard. Even more perhaps their lack of that militance (I won't say complete lack of) is why they didn't resonate as deep with in the hearts of men, instead bridging the gap between conscious rap and rapping for the bitches. But I digress.
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but couldn't really articulate

>was his napoleonic complex.
>
>Thing though is I never associated positivity with
>consciousness. Black consciousness had a serious layer of
>militance. Some were more Black Panther Party with it.
>Others more Clarence 13X with it. Right to be hostile and all
>that.
>
>Then milatance gets countered by thugged gangstaisms which is
>how you get someone like Jeru who wasn't positive but very
>much on the millitant side of consciousness.



Thank you for this.
Niggas in here would say Malcolm X wasn't conscious
"BUT HE SPENT ALL HIS TIME TEARING DOWN WHITE AMERICA!!!"
....
Excuse me? That's what a conscious nigga do! Tear down oppressors. Smh. Niggas got the game ALL
the way fucked up now.

news to me.
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And by fuckery, I don't mean stuff I disagree with, but rather some incomprehensible drivel.

interchangeably.

I still fail to see how Jeru's strain of "consciousness" is particularly beneficial.

And I am going to disagree with imcvspl is his characterization of Jeru as being "militant"… Did Jeru ever call on us to fight the powers that be? did he ever offer anything even close to an insightful reading of social issues and how we can tackle them? (I mean, I know it's just rap records but PE and PRT and even YZ offered at least simplistic solutions, or at least recommended courses of action).

When I think of Jeru, I think of a whole bunch of pseudo-mystical "De White Man is De Debbil" conspiracy peddling… and I believe that kind of thought led directly to the kind of nihilistic stances that became popular in New York rap in the 90s. That whole "we're fucked, the Man got the whole system rigged and there's nothing we can do… so might as well act a fool up in here."

A different version of that stance was the more NGE-infused version where every man is a God unto himself, so there is no sense of responsibility or accountability to the community. So might as well act a fool up in here.

Problem is that ultimately "consciousness" became boiled down to "anybody who disses and blames the white man"… Remember when Prodigy wrote those addlepated, all-caps rants about the white man when he was in jail and everybody was acting all impressed that P had gone "conscious"?

It poisoned the minds of my generation.

>
>Problem is that ultimately "consciousness" became boiled down
>to "anybody who disses and blames the white man"…

After I typed this I just remembered a story on Lench Mob in the Source.... It was titled (in HUGE letters), "DISSING THESE DEVILS".... Could you image doing that today?

lol the 90s were a very special time....

And your poison argument was specifically about militant rap no? And I don't think I said Jeru was militant. I said he fit evenly between that militant side of rap and the thugged out ish. His primary target was always the thugged out gangstas in rap. HIs stories about the devil all revolved around how they were taking over hip-hop.

And one thing I meant to say elsewhere, nobody here thinks Jeru was the best rapper at anything.
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For a lot of time before that, it was actually taken for granted (in my circles at least) that MOST rap was kinda "conscious"... even early NWA stuff. So we never thought of a name for it.

>And your poison argument was specifically about militant rap
>no?

Not just the militant stuff, no... though that stuff is probably the absolute worst. But there's a lot more benign "conscious" music that I find just as offensive today.

And I don't think I said Jeru was militant. I said he
>fit evenly between that militant side of rap and the thugged
>out ish. His primary target was always the thugged out
>gangstas in rap. HIs stories about the devil all revolved
>around how they were taking over hip-hop.

My bad if I misread you, my dude.

but he obviously finds his ideologies beneficial and thats why he chose to spread it through his music

like contrary to popular belief the likes of wu-tang clan and prodigy of mobb deep are 'conscious' too.

come on, now...

up and sell drugs. but because they don't use it in a beneficial or positive way to your standards you would never label them as such.

i mean if we take the word conscious for it's actual meaning pretty much everyone is conscious as long as you're not in a coma so this whole debate is silly to me anyway.

edited to add: it's called Supreme Mathematics btw.

>i mean if we take the word conscious for it's actual meaning
>pretty much everyone is conscious as long as you're not in a
>coma so this whole debate is silly to me anyway.

Being super-literal makes no point at all, but I do get you.

"Conscious" can mean a variety of things... I've said before that my pick for the best conscious rap of all time is Kanye's verse on the "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" remix. I wish more "conscious" rap was like that.

>"Conscious" can mean a variety of things... I've said before
>that my pick for the best conscious rap of all time is Kanye's
>verse on the "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" remix. I wish more
>"conscious" rap was like that.

Disclaimer I don't even remember it, but I do remember it was a fucking back peddle bullshit after Lupe called them on the bullshit. Which is interesting in and of itself when you think about Lupe today.

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is because it doesn't have the same kind of self-righteousness that a lot of people claimed turned them off in most "conscious" stuff. Ye never talks down to the audience... He never positions himself as being the "wise" or the "good" one.

He lays out an issue in simple terms, as if he is just learning about it itself (which he was). He spares no detail in underlining the seriousness of the situation and how it links to his own behavior.

But then he turns around and approaches it from the other direction and openly admits that he feels conflicted about it.

In the end, some might see it as a copout as his summation is basically to say "Fuck all that, Roc-a-Fella!!!!" but I love the honesty of that verse, and the willingness to entertain more than one point of view at a time (ie critical thinking), which is something that you didn't get from a lot of other "conscious" rap.

Busdriver said "conscious rap failed us" which is what i think is a better argument than poisoned (though I'm not mad at that either). And I can appreciate what you're saying for the verse even if I don't like it, but what the whole thing is a clear example about how fucked shit got.

Kanye was a diamond wearing rapper on a label who's iconography was a diamond, on a song about repping those diamonds, who a then unsigned Lessonhead pretty much ethered him on but wasn't big enough to get the level of play as his diamond counterparts. It causes Kanye to think about it for a sec (no doubt after lurking the lesson) and go do a remix to try to account for the slight bit of guilt. And you label *that* conscious.

Ten years later he's rocking a skirt and diamond face masks while Lupe's trolling the fuck out of the presidential inauguration with consciousness and people want him to sit down.
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>Kanye was a diamond wearing rapper on a label who's
>iconography was a diamond, on a song about repping those
>diamonds, who a then unsigned Lessonhead pretty much ethered
>him on but wasn't big enough to get the level of play as his
>diamond counterparts. It causes Kanye to think about it for a
>sec (no doubt after lurking the lesson) and go do a remix to
>try to account for the slight bit of guilt. And you label
>*that* conscious.

My understanding was that Kanye made "Diamonds are Forever" as a flossy, Roc-repping brag rap but after it had been recorded, Q-Tip educated him on the issue of blood diamonds, so he changed the title of the track but none of the verses. And then he used the blood diamonds imagery in the video and when the album came out, he revised his verse with his new "conscious" stance.

If that's not how it went, I will gladly cop to being ignorant as I was not paying all that much attention to mainstream hip-hop at the time.

I do remember the Q-Tip part now though.
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Gonna look for it now, though.

EDIT: I think I vaguely remember Lupe being involved in some way with this track, though... but I thought that was well after it had been out.

>My understanding was that Kanye made "Diamonds are Forever" as
>a flossy, Roc-repping brag rap but after it had been recorded,
>Q-Tip educated him on the issue of blood diamonds, so he
>changed the title of the track but none of the verses. And
>then he used the blood diamonds imagery in the video and when
>the album came out, he revised his verse with his new
>"conscious" stance.
>
>If that's not how it went, I will gladly cop to being ignorant
>as I was not paying all that much attention to mainstream
>hip-hop at the time.

that is the official version, but after the original "diamonds" leak and before the remix, there was both a lupe and a david baNNer freestyle calling out blood diamonds, so with at least lupe being in kanye's circle, it can be surmised that inspired the new verses. go figure jay-z wouldn't touch the topic even on the same remix, and yeah, kanye has more than reverted now.

1con·scious adjective \ˈkän(t)-shəs\

Definition of CONSCIOUS

1
: perceiving, apprehending, or noticing with a degree of controlled thought or observation <conscious of having succeeded> <was conscious that someone was watching>
2
archaic : sharing another's knowledge or awareness of an inward state or outward fact
3
: personally felt <conscious guilt>
4
: capable of or marked by thought, will, design, or perception
5
: self-conscious
6
: having mental faculties not dulled by sleep, faintness, or stupor : awake <became conscious after the anesthesia wore off>
7
: done or acting with critical awareness <a conscious effort to do better>
8
a : likely to notice, consider, or appraise <a bargain-conscious shopper>
b : being concerned or interested <a budget-conscious businessman>
c : marked by strong feelings or notions <a race-conscious society>
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everything else is people's added on notions of what a conscious rapper should be. i don't have time for that shit as i don't listen to rappers by category but by whether or not i'm entertained. if the artist happens to share my life philosophies, even better but i in no way look to music to enlighten me. which isn't to say it hasn't happened but for the most part
no that's not what i'm looking for so who is or isn't conscious isn't my concern.

we are going to apply standard english dictionary rules to hip-hop?

that's a rabbit hole I am not gonna follow you down lol

?

conscious is a hip hop term now?
lol
ok

like i said i could give a fuck who and who is labeled conscious
it's a stupid and pretentious term given the definitions people are putting out there
i don't concern myself with it.

backpedaling. You can't possibly be serious with this

>conscious is a hip hop term now?
>lol
>ok
>
>like i said i could give a fuck who and who is labeled
>conscious

I'm just going to assume that's you're annoyed and you don't want to talk about this anymore.
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me saying any more would be me just repeating myself.
lol

you guys want conscious to look a certain way
i don't believe it has to or that it even does
we disagree
the end
i don't know what the fuck you want from me b

>
>A different version of that stance was the more NGE-infused
>version where every man is a God unto himself, so there is no
>sense of responsibility or accountability to the community. So
>might as well act a fool up in here.

e.g. Moment of Truth by Gangstarr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3hrtp1T84

even Wu's material can't be characterized as "might as well act a fool" e.g. A Better Tomorrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQ9SXz9diA

while such artists might talk about a vague "devil," many also urge personal responsibility, uplifting the community, and even anti-violence

their consciousness (no pun) is mixed/contradictory. to me, Jeru doesn't
expose conscious rap, but he does expose some of the weaknesses
in these "conscious" ideologies that hold sway over many black radicals--
sharp critiques of racism are too often laden with sexist, homophobic
ideas and impractical solutions to solve our ills, these ineffective
solutions flow from misidentifying the origins of our problems....


now personally, Blackstar/Mos Def & Kweli, Common, Gangstarr, Wu were the most influential "conscious" rappers I listened to growing up

I didn't agree with everything they said, but some of their critiques,
as crude as they could be at times, encouraged me to seek out literature
on certain subjects, they promoted intellectual curiosity


a couple of songs that came to mind while reading this thread--the
first and last also being relatively popular and accessible

Blackstar - Respiration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeTnog5RRQo
(lulz @ an image of Trinidad James being the background for this Vevo page)

Thieves in the Night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjxtRehIz2Y

(bonus: De La Soul - Stakes is High--original and remix)

Common 6th Sense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTbzW3wbIj4


lastly, before there was "conscious rap"...

imo there is indeed an overlap between conscious and "positive" rap.
I think it's fairly accurate to say the idea of "conscious" rap
didn't exist before "gangsta" rap appeared. they were just songs with
a message--like any other genre

The Message was made 3 decades ago and it's still as relevant/powerful as it was
back then--unfortunately. Flash & The Furious Five's Beat Street has *some* nice messages
and I think Self-Destruction is noteworthy because it contrasts with the
image of Black rappers simply blaming "the man" for everything

LOL

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

I have my own opinions and I don't profess to speak for anybody but myself, thanks much.

Only the lesson would find the Jeru the Damaja
as 'conscious/positive' rapper a relevant discussion

Its not a relevant discussion

Its worthless

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

I could have made much better use of my time facilitating endless hand-wringing about Lupe Fiasco--no, strike that: not about Lupe himself but about how *other people*, faceless strangers on the Internet yet, feel about Lupe Fiasco because they're nerdy hipsters.

That is WAY more relevant, I'm sure.

Which was like, last wee

You're magically inventing shit to talk
about surrounding Jeru

None of what you said made sense

Not a lick of it

LOL @ The Lesson

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Who made you the patriarch of consciousness?

Jeru was a conscious rapper because he spoke about issues which destroyed consciousness/self.

He was looking at it from a different perspective. That is all there is to it. If you want to hear a rapper sing Kumbaya, Jeru is not the man for you but it does not make him any less conscious than anyone else. God lives in diversity.

If it was up to you, everyone deemed "conscious" would be rapping about the same thing.

Thankfully. It is not.

>If it was up to you, everyone deemed "conscious" would be
>rapping about the same thing.

I'd just prefer for my conscious artists to not espouse vicious misogyny and promote a generally negative attitude.

Maybe that's just me, though.

and negative attitude?

i'm starting to think you haven't actually listened to the man.

...

Every single artist you're a fan of explored multiple
vaginas and had tons of fun with it, bragged on it,
lied on their dick, the whole 9


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

He would have broke this shit all the way down.
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

everyone prefers maxxx, right? oh, who cares, they are the same person anyway just like us

Could you consider white lines conscious?

How about I need love?

commodity labels don't work when you ain't in the business of marginalizing and marketing "music".

anti-drug crusaders and a celebratory theme for cocaine users.

Sorta like PE going in on crack use while employing a cartoonish crackhead archetype for comedic relief.

But if you're asking for other 'conscious' examples from the early 80's, 'The Message' would be a pretty clear record in that vein.

Same with 'It's Like That' or 'Hard Times'.

i love these threads...him and Ba drop their turds and dipped with the quickness

approached him about that. Cause 99.9% is a lot hahaha, there can't be too many exceptions unless he claims to know thousands of rappers.
Dude sounded really butt hurt on that joint about the Gangstarr fall out. In the end it's still one of his better post-Primo joints though.
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The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show
http://thecombatjackshow.com/

Make the octopussy do the watusi for the night

*The lyrics were pulled from Rap Genius so I'm positive there will be a few errors.

You Can’t Stop The Prophet

Guy 1: Ohhh! Yo look towards the darkness
Guy 2: Nah nah yo, look towards the light
Guy 1: Yo what! Oh what the? Yo what is that?
Guy 2: It's a supernova
Guy 1: Nah nah man, that's a black hole
Guy 2: Yo! Yo!
Guy 1: Yo!
1 + 2: Yo it's.. IT'S.. IT'S?!!!


I, leap over lies in a single bound (Who are you?)
The Black Prophet
One day I got struck by Knowledge of Self
It gave me super-scientifical powers
Now I, run through the ghetto
Battlin my, arch nemesis Mr. Ignorance
He's been tryin to take me out since the days of my youth
He feared this day would come
I'm hot on his trail, but sometimes he slips away
Because he has an army, they always give me trouble
Mainly - Hatred, Jealousy and Envy they attack me
They think they got me
But I use my super-science and I twist all three
I see sparks over that buildin' - they're shootin' at me
I dip, do a backflip
Then hit em in the heart with sharp steel bookmarks
Ignorance hates when I drop it
But no matter, what he do.. he can't stop the Prophet


Yo Prophet, yo Prophet, c'mere real quick
Yo I just saw Ignorance downtown, let me put you on


Word, he down there buggin'
He got them illin' out, they shootin' and everything else


Let's continue the saga, mad mad drama
I met this chick, she said she knew where Ignorance was at
I said, "Where?"
She said, "Downtown"
He had babies havin' babies - and young niggas sellin' crack
I think the bitch is lyin, it's a set up
I can smell it, but Ignorance is runnin' rampant
Aight baby show me the exact spot
Meet me at Hoyt and Schermerhorn at 3 on the dot
So I hops up on the A-Train, I'm bein' followed
My seventh sense senses danger
I turn around, it's Anger
And he brought a mob along, it's the same old song
Despair and Animosity got broke with the swiftness
I don't know what they think this is
I feel a sharp pain in my neck
Now I can't see, I'm like Hiram
They hit me with the dart filled with the pork chop serum
I tried to hold on but before long I dropped
When I awoke I was locked in the barber's shop
Trapped in the barber's chair
Oh no, they're gonna try and cut my hair
But that can't stop the Prophet


Yo Prophet!
Ignorance is tired of you followin' him around
We about to put an end to that RIGHT NOW
Anamosity (YEA!) Despair (YO WHASSUP?) Get him!!

{DJ Premier cuts and scratches: "Can't a damn thing stop me"}


A few minutes passed by, I hear a buzzin' noise
It was that chick with some of Ignorance's boys
She said, "Prophet, we got you beat;
By the way I'm Mr. Ignorance's wife, Deceit
But enough talk; now for your hair cut.."
When the clippers touched my hair, they blew the fuck up
After the explosion there was no one left
Cause I know Dim Mak/poison hand/touch of death
My vision's still kinda blurry, but I see a clue
Ignorance is at the library
I hurry, with lightning speed like The Flash
He's at the big one, on Grand Army Plaz'
When I get inside the doors shut and the lights go off
Damn, another trap
I hear a hissin' sound, I smell a funny smell
I gasp, I can't breathe
Ignorance is laughin' at me
Waitin' on my downfall, but he can't stop the Prophet


Well Prophet
It seems like you're in a bit of a jam
I hope you can unstick yourself
Oh, and what you did to my wife, it was nothing
I have others
Hahahahahaha... hahahahaha.. hahahahahah

"The saga continues”

*********
Ain’t the Devil Happy

Verse One:

As devils search for the secrets to immortality
I alter my physical chemistry
Walk through the valley of the shadow of death
I exist even when no things are left
Vibrations transcend space and time
Pure at heart because I deal with the mind
That's why I compose these verses
Audible worlds, my thoughts are now universes
Written on these pages is the ageless
Wisdom of the sages, ignorance is contagious
So I hope you keep your focus
There's no hocus-pocus, in the end, it's just us
Devil got brother killin brother, it's insane
Goin out like Abel and Cain
Wisen up and use your brain
There'll be no limit, to the things that you can gain
In positivity, balance it with negativity
Until then, ain't the devil happy

Verse Two:

I hate when the devil's happy, so I wear my hair hair nappy
Knotty, won't go out like John Gotti
He came from the caves to destroy everybody
And we like fools destroy our own bodies
Too many niggas chillin, bad boys boom boom
This leaves no room for the flowers to bloom
Seeds blow in the wind, another drug killing
What, are we accomplishing? Nothing
What's, the matter?
Why everytime I look around another brain gets splattered?
Some pockets get fatter but it don't matter
The devil's the only one who really gets fatter
Lead ruptures flesh, spleens are shattered
Dreams are shattered, another Queen without a King
What will out children become without proper guidance?
Probably nothing, so ain't the devil happy

Verse Three:

Niggas are in a state of nothingness
Hopelessness, lifelessness
If you're in range I hope you hear this
And try to change this, cause it's disastrous
Who gets the most loot, who gets bust?
Dollar bill y'all, is the god we trust
THe days blow by like dust
Even Men of Steel rust
We're out here acting ridiculous
When, only we can save us
Mentally enslave us, for little or nothing kill our neighbors
Animalistic, caniballistic, behavior
Look to the sky for your savior
He won't save ya, he didn't save your forefathers
Why bother, brothers? You must discover
The power of self, know thyself, or find thyself
Hating thyself, killing thyself
While he collects the wealth that you sit back and murder for
Ain't the devil happy

**********

Jungle Music

It started on the sands of land of the mother
Word to mother, king like my father
My style survived slave ships, whips, and chains, hardships
Still through all this the praise roll off my lips
Bring your guns, chains and tongue force your religion
On me cut my hair, the vibes still exist
To destroy the molesters of my heritage
But they conceal the drums reveal, my loyal lineage
King of kings, God of gods
Like my ancestors drums I beat the odds
More mics killed than slaves during the middle passages
Who rapes and ravages and calls us savage?
Jungle bunny, I'm not mo' funny, I'm mo' deadly
They know one day we'll learn how to use it
That's why they fear our jungle music

(Premier scratches "In the J-U-N-G-L-E")

We went from pyramids to the ghetto
Still my sounds make devils tumble like the walls of Jericho
Chant my power to devour all the snakes and rats
Extrasensory perception to avoid all traps
Make a joyful noise unto the Lord
In the sancuary of your caves white kids press record
As my mystic music spread from sea to galaxy
It's inevitable, you can't stop me
Try an' carbon copy, but it always comes out sloppy
You can't outrap me, you can't outrock me
Like the dreads on my head, you try and lock me
Down underground, but I bounce to the jungle
Melodies, that flows like the breeze
Through the trees, like my forefathers, command the wind and seas
With my jungle music

(Premier does his thing)

Unga bunga binga
Sound warrior, I'll take your head more than a rap singer
Enlightener, with the mitre
Make the forces of my nature smite ya
Over the airwaves, powers are released
Holy music destroy the savage beast
I'll beat the devil like a Nyahbinghi drummer
Beats his drum, this beat will drum through the summer
Try to hold us back with all the strength you can muster
You'll hear a sound similar to the one Custer
Heard before he got ambushed, you'll get ambushed
For taking this back to Kush
For too long you've abused it
On the low used it, and called it jungle music

(Premier scratches)

***********

The Frustrated Nigga

Out of the fog into the smog, he walks in
He's ready for victory
He walks again by night, ruthlessly
Meeting wit the unknown

It's the educated field nigga, trained in guerilla
Warfare plus equipped wit mental hardware
Manifesting organizational skills
Cuz organizational skills kills more devils than bullets
Pull it, the psychological trigger and be a real nigga
Happy as a runaway slave in the jungle
The concrete jungle, here's your scars weary, here's your arms don't fear 'em
But you might die if you bail against the system
Another nigga caught up in the system
To amend my invisible chains and deviate from the system
No longer shall I be a victim
Victimized, circumsized by the lies of the system
It's equivalent to being nonexisent
I used to be a pawn in the game
Now I change my postion, I'm making moves
Beware of the frustrated nigga
Know what I'm saying

Ride the pale horse, triumphantly
Put a saddle on his back, take him to hell and back
You can take a nigga out the jungle
But you can't take the jungle out the cat
Black cats, brown cats, all types of cats
Mental fusion, it's no illusion, or delusion
Of grandeur but the way we were
And will be and ever shall be
Eternally but you mask my present existence
In ignorance, mock my appearance
Yet yearn for my esscence, steal my lessons
So I reeducate, unlearn what
Was taught, hold down the fort
Each one teach one, now I got support
We don't need no water, let the muthafuka burn
Down to the ground
America, America, the beautiful thoughts
From a frustrated nigga
You know what I'm saying

Systematic, destruction of the original man
Drugs by nigga on nigga
Cocaine, morphine, nicotine
The evil of men run through my bloodstream
And the blood of kings runs through my bloodstream
This dignified bastard
Hazardous to the health of America
Black rebel in your area
Psychoanalyze this
Then send your forces cuz now we mean business
You should now bear witness to a new brand of nigga
This nigga is smarter than the nigga of time's past
This nigga is the nigga of the future
This nigga will emancipate himself from the title of nigga
And restore his title as king
So beware, beware, beware, beware
The frustrated nigga

**************

Artist: Jeru the Damaja
Album: Wrath of the Math
Song: Revenge of the Prophet (part 5)

Intro:
]Well Prophet
]It seems like you're in a bit of a jam
]I hope you can unstick yourself, Oh
]And what you did to my wife
]It was nothing, I have others
]hahahahahaha
]The Saga Continues......

Verse 1
It's been awhile since I escaped the library
Fightin ignorance everyday, its gettin weary
When I think I got him
He pulls a slip on me
And theres so many soldiers
In his fiendous ass army
One of the fiercest, is this nigga named Tricknology
The last time we met, he got the drop on me
Shit happens so fast he even got some of my family
Blasted my way up out the building
When I catch him Im gon kill him
Track him uptown, where I hear he's lyin to children
1-2-5th's the stop, go outside I hear gunshots
Run up the block
Greedy Lou's dead infront of the materialistic crack spot
Trick's yellin out this is my block
I would've hit him, but I didn't have a clear shot
An innocent bystander might get popped
Damn....a small thang cuz the prophet still can't be stopped


What...thats right, this is my motherfuckin life
Trick-nol-ogy, you know what Im sayin
You know me, you can't front on me....

Verse 2
Im in a fucked up position
But if he squeezes again, Im gon lift em
A few seconds later now here comes the siren
Oh shit its the pork chop patrol
Their on Ignorance's payroll
And they only came to hold...
Tricknolog down, scoup Greedy Lou off the ground
Throw him in the back of a truck
One yells 'What the fuck nigga ya lookin at?
Now get the fuck outta here'
Then I get that feeling that I feel when danger is in the air
Then out of nowhere one yells the Prophets over there
Immediatly following mad led is in the air
Picture all posted up like they knew I'd be here
I'd go for what I know
But shit there everywhere
Through in the back and forth my gun gets lost
But I managed to get one high powered thought off
I split 6 pigs that got sawed off
As their bodies break south I proceed to break north
Now shit is lookin dim and you'd think all maybe lost
But the Prophet won't go out at any cost
You could never stop the prophet....

]Unit's 1 &2, Unit's 1 & 2 the prophet has been sighted
]if you see him kill him

can't a damn thing stop me

Verse 3
I head toward the train station
My force did stop most of the ammunition
Still I need medical attention
But Im not bitchin ,gettin Ignorance is my mission
All of a sudden Greedy Lou comes creepin
Around the corner talkin bout..Prophet your a gonna
We knew you followed Trick uptown because you wanna
Get rid of Ignorance but that dont make no sense
He runs the world I know this from experience
Why don't you come & work wit us
You'll see the boss' game is nice
That night...Greedy Lou died twice
Now I'm wanted, pork chop patrol has a warrant
But that still can't stop the Prophet

]Here ye, here ye the court of Ignborance is now in session
]we, judge and the jury find the Prophet
]guilty in the murder of Greedy Lou
]one of our close personal homeboys
]so for that the sentence is death
]when you find him execute him

***************

Ya Playin’ Yaself


Now, I don't push a Lex
Others had their turn to flex, Jeru is up next
All these so called players up in the rap game
Got brothers on the corner selling cooked cocaine
It used to be LaToya and jim hats
But now it's Uzis, Macs and G-packs of cracks
Everybody's psycho or some type of good fellow
But me I keep it real that's all swine like jello
Don't drink Cristal, and I can't stand Mo
Never received currency for moving a kilo
Or an ounce, make em bounce to this fake-pimp-free flow
I never knew hustlers confessed in stereo
Or on video get caught you'll know who turned state's
Evidence, murder weapon, confession and fingerprints
Mama always said watch what comes out your mouth
Tight case for the DA from here to down South
Knowledge wisdom understanding like King Solomon's wealth
You're a player but only because you be playing yourself


With all that Big Willie talk, hop, you're, playin' yaself
With all that big gun talk, bop, you're, playin' yaself
With all that rah rah rah, you're, playin' yaself
You're, playin' yaself, you're, playin' yaself

With all that rah rah rah, you're, playin' yaself
With all that big gun talk, bop, you're, playin' yaself
With all that Big Willie talk, hop, you're, playin' yaself
You're, playin' yaself, you're, playin' yaself


Now these ladies is looking pretty from city to city
I refined a few I met, around the country
The nitty gritty, it's all reality, no question
Actual fact like tight jeans cause yeast infections
And sisters with good minds, get no respect when
Their ass is all hanging out, playing the bar section
Of the club shake what your mama gave ya, back to the lab
I drop the truth, cause rhyming is more than just my craft
Or a way to get ass, or fast cash, or blasted
Black women, make sure you're respected
When niggas is kicking that old off the wall shit, let em know
From jump: "Dead it", you're not ignorant
Knowledge wisdom understanding is the key to wealth
Put some clothes on that ass if you respect yourself


With those hooker type wears hon you're, playin' yaself
With those skin tight jeans baby you're, playin' yaself
Everything all exposed you're, playin' yaself
You're, playin' yaself, you're, playin' yaself

Everything all exposed you're, playin' yaself
With those skin tight jeans baby you're, playin' yaself
With those hooker type wears hon you're, playin' yaself
You're, playin' yaself, you're, playin' yaself


Now, I don't bust a Tec, bubble drugs
In the projects, or use mics to sell sex
Niggas, nowadays is all about this
So much ying yang, it's ridiculous
If you got so much cheese where are the black distributors
And these record companies shake em down like mobsters
But impostors, like commercial locks are not rastas
Always faking moves, never, making moves
Asses shake, bottles pop, the government is breaking down you fools
You work all week and give the devil back his loot for jewels
And the steak on your plate is filled with chemicals
Still, brothers leave brothers all battered and bruised
On the streets, won't see snakes on my feet
The race is on, but I won't compete
In this competition, because I have a greater mission
I hope that you listen
Knowledge wisdom and understanding brings, long life
And health, think anything else and ya playin' yaself


So all that Big Willie talk, hop, you're, playin' yaself
And all those skin tight jeans hon you're playin' yaself
And all that rah rah rah, you're, playin' yaself
You're, playin' yaself, you're, playin' yaself

And all those hooker type wears baby you're playin' yaself
And all that big gun talk money you're playin' yaself
Everything all exposed you're, playin' yaself
You're, playin' yaself, you're, playin' yaself

can anyone help?

...might apply. I'll assume he freestyled it 'cause he's all over the place here:


I'll snatch up your girlfriend, her friend and their friends
I got the game & fame she got the condoms
She's a victim, you shouldn't have that mouth dirty rotten
And for the longest we knew you were plottin'
On the down fall, who stands tall, lick the balls
Im not like that, so I smash out pussy walls
On the low, oh no, on the high
I get high, praise to the most high
Tried to battle me, step up & die
Like the arc of the covenant I electrify
Petrify, intelligence I glorify
So devils are horrified
Sprayin like pesticide, come commit suicide
Step into my realm and be fried
By the statik.........

you mean in Da Bitchez where Jeru mentions that he's not speaking about the queen's?? That part?

and lol @ picking on 1 or 2 weak examples of misogyny to base your entire opinion of an artist on.

Afkap is hating and arguing for the sake of doing it, that's it.. his argument has zero weight.

As for the rest, I'll have to let 'KAP type for himself if he chooses to. I'm not a fan of the catch-all tag "conscious" anyway. I would never call someone like the RZA a conscious rapper but he has plenty of songs and verses that reflect an awareness of self and the World.

LOL

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

people just hating to hate..

First off... He has one of the best live hip hop shows I've ever seen. Second... the nigga is a comedian and he loves some pussy. OE was spot on... the nigga is from Flatbush and he loves Pussy, Heinekens, weed, comic books and pussy.

Now back to pussy... true story

this nigga Jeru tells me if you get a chick back to the hotel just pull your dick out. WTF? Just pull it out... why waste 2 hours trying to fuck, pull it out, it doesn't always work but its a great method because you still have time to find new pussy when it fails.

Me: Nigga.. I don't believe you... no, wait...huh?
Jeru: Yo, trust me... guess who told me this trick?
Me: iono
Jeru: Big Daddy Kane
me: word..
Jeru: ..and guess who told him?
Me: iono
Jeru: Barry White
me: hmm.. sounds too crazy to be a lie.

that SAME night I watched Jeru hop out of a van, look at the drivers girlfriend and say... "you coming or staying" This Asian ho looks dead at her man who is driving the van and looks at Jeru and hops out with Jeru and the DJ. All this happens with Dan the Automator.. who Jeru keeps calling "andsome Dan" (Pretty Boy Modelling just dropped) and 2 other people in the van.

Jeru turns to us and says PEEEEEEEEAAACE...

Holy shit.

I mean, he was always there this is just fantastic

one time he was in Japan and said the kept asking for one more song. He tole them he would only do a song if they let him run over their backs like in the kung fu movies. He said the crowd bent over and he ran on them niggas from the stage to the back wall and back again.


Jeru on Common:
He would always tell Common "no funny hats" when he would come to Brooklyn.

Jeru on rappers being killers:
Jeru:said all rappers are actors.. none of them niggas are killers.
Me: "What about Beanie?"
Jeru: "Well(Jeru pauses with one finger in the air....) he's not a rapper"

On Guru (RIP):
Jeru: Guru cool...but he gets robbed just about every time he comes to my hood.

Jeru on Music Soulchild:
"He wear his head wrap like a bitch. That's how bitches wear they shit with the know in the back.... but he got mad bitches at his show though... mad bitches."

Jeru on DC/VA area:
"It's my best market. Most rappers sell the most records in this NOVA/DC area. Mad bitches too"

Jeru on Jeru:
"You have to remember, I dropped right after Nas dropped Illmatic and at one point it was Biggie, Nas and me... I was on top of hip hop for a hot minute in 94/95"

I was a little skeptical before he came down for a show but the nigga was one of the coolest artist we brought down and his catalog is fire.

>one time he was in Japan and said the kept asking for one
>more song. He tole them he would only do a song if they let
>him run over their backs like in the kung fu movies. He said
>the crowd bent over and he ran on them niggas from the stage
>to the back wall and back again.
>
>
>Jeru on Common:
>He would always tell Common "no funny hats" when he would
>come to Brooklyn.
>
>Jeru on rappers being killers:
>Jeru:said all rappers are actors.. none of them niggas are
>killers.
>Me: "What about Beanie?"
>Jeru: "Well(Jeru pauses with one finger in the air....) he's
>not a rapper"
>
>On Guru (RIP):
>Jeru: Guru cool...but he gets robbed just about every time he
>comes to my hood.
>
>Jeru on Music Soulchild:
>"He wear his head wrap like a bitch. That's how bitches wear
>they shit with the know in the back.... but he got mad bitches
>at his show though... mad bitches."
>
>Jeru on DC/VA area:
>"It's my best market. Most rappers sell the most records in
>this NOVA/DC area. Mad bitches too"
>
>Jeru on Jeru:
>"You have to remember, I dropped right after Nas dropped
>Illmatic and at one point it was Biggie, Nas and me... I was
>on top of hip hop for a hot minute in 94/95"
>
>I was a little skeptical before he came down for a show but
>the nigga was one of the coolest artist we brought down and
>his catalog is fire.

Awesome


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

I got mad stories about rap groups who we brought to VA. Since we were in college we were a little trife when it came to professionalism which led to some great stories and wild nights.

Jean Gray in my bedroom playing Tekken... she was fine but she had a dudishness about her and yes, there were other people in the room but that's not important.

Breezly Brewin playing bball... no skills.

Heiro asking "whats that smell?" when we tried to put them in a dirt
motel. These niggas...

Black Star's manager Corrie: Asshole. Plain and simple. Straight asshole. Mos..cool. Talib, ehhh. Yeah, we picked them up in DC... and yeah, the show wasn't anywhere near DC but fuck it. Flights to DC were cheaper.

Dan the Automator eating everything on the seafood menu while telling us about this project for a group called Gorillaz that had cartoon characters.

>
>Black Star's manager Corrie: Asshole. Plain and simple.

All of this is nothing but fantastic

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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when i met him (years after blackstar)

i met mos once - admittedly when stakes is high was out - and he was one of the coolest, nicest rappers ive ever met. whether hes still like that now, im not sure.

.

>First off... He has one of the best live hip hop shows I've
>ever seen. Second... the nigga is a comedian and he loves some
>pussy. OE was spot on... the nigga is from Flatbush and he
>loves Pussy, Heinekens, weed, comic books and pussy.
>
>Now back to pussy... true story
>
>this nigga Jeru tells me if you get a chick back to the hotel
>just pull your dick out. WTF? Just pull it out... why waste 2
>hours trying to fuck, pull it out, it doesn't always work but
>its a great method because you still have time to find new
>pussy when it fails.
>
>Me: Nigga.. I don't believe you... no, wait...huh?
>Jeru: Yo, trust me... guess who told me this trick?
>Me: iono
>Jeru: Big Daddy Kane
>me: word..
>Jeru: ..and guess who told him?
>Me: iono
>Jeru: Barry White
>me: hmm.. sounds too crazy to be a lie.
>
>that SAME night I watched Jeru hop out of a van, look at the
>drivers girlfriend and say... "you coming or staying" This
>Asian ho looks dead at her man who is driving the van and
>looks at Jeru and hops out with Jeru and the DJ. All this
>happens with Dan the Automator.. who Jeru keeps calling
>"andsome Dan" (Pretty Boy Modelling just dropped) and 2 other
>people in the van.
>
>Jeru turns to us and says PEEEEEEEEAAACE...

Most of his music doesn't support the tag. His lifestyle doesn't support the tag (why make preachy songs about how women should conduct themselves if this is how you get down?). I didn't even want to bring his real life activities into it aside from saying he's never put much effort towards any type of activism.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

just think people look at his appearance and wanted to give him that tag. He doesn't walk that walk. Bootcamp/Wu-Tang/Nas is much closer to his lane than BDP or PRT.


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So actually, you're wrong.

But troll on.

>
>So actually, you're wrong.
>
>But troll on.


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And qualifies you as a mad Lessonhead.

Troll on, though.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

he liked pussy, weed and brew. He dropped jewels and let the audience decide if they wanted to pick them up or let them be... all over dope beats.

This is why Lupe, KRS, etc can be a little annoying at times. I could kick it with Jeru while talking politics without getting the "why you putting poison in your body?" soapbox bullshit.

>he liked pussy, weed and brew. He dropped jewels and let the
>audience decide if they wanted to pick them up or let them
>be... all over dope beats.
>
>This is why Lupe, KRS, etc can be a little annoying at times.
>I could kick it with Jeru while talking politics without
>getting the "why you putting poison in your body?" soapbox
>bullshit.

Here's a quote from Primo

“When Biggie had “Party and Bullshit” out, he opened up for us when we did a show at Virginia State. It was me and Jeru the Damaja – who had just released “Come Clean”- Pete Rock, Damion and Cease. And we woke up early that morning to knock on Biggie’s room to see if he’s gonna follow us back to New York. And I knock on his door, and he opens the door buck-naked in his boxer drawers with a bucket of chicken. And Jeru says, “Yo, you need to stop eatin’ all of that meat, man. You need to go vegetarian.” Big was like, “Yo, my name is Biggie, not Barkim.” Barkim is like a God name for people who don’t eat flesh and stuff like that. So it’s funny to see Big there topless, big ol’ titties hanging out, clipping his toenails, with no shame.”

And that was in Jeru's heyday so yeah you can miss me with all that. Most likely our definitions of "conscious rapper" are different. I broke it down in my earlier replies.
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How is Jeru telling BIGGIE of all people to fall back on chicken preaching on record?

The nigga was always joking... he used to tell my biz partner to stop wearing slippers all the fucking time.

Shit wasn't that serious. If he put that shit on record after record I could see your point but miss me with all that bullshit.

I met the nigga more than a few times, he wasn't preachy or difficult and I was working for the nigga as the promoter. I dealt with far worse from some actual "conscious rappers"

with Jeru and appreciating how he didn't get on a soapbox then I provided an example of him doing exactly that then you jump to "preaching on a record". lol


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>with Jeru and appreciating how he didn't get on a soapbox
>then I provided an example of him doing exactly that then you
>jump to "preaching on a record". lol
>


all post you're saying dude doesn't act for anyone but himself, then you post that?

>>with Jeru and appreciating how he didn't get on a soapbox
>>then I provided an example of him doing exactly that then
>you
>>jump to "preaching on a record". lol
>>
>
>
>all post you're saying dude doesn't act for anyone but
>himself, then you post that?

conscious tag for people that make real moves (not just raps) on behalf of their community.
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says a lot more about u than him man

u sound obsessed

let it go

>says a lot more about u than him man
>
>u sound obsessed
>
>let it go

but you'll have to get over it. The Lesson is for discussing music related topics. I just don't see guys like Jeru/Wu-Tang/Boot-Camp/Grand Puba etc. as conscious rappers. They still have all made good to great music...

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Their community?

The average listener doesnt get to kick it with artist so it makes no sense to come from that perspective.

You made it sound like Jeru dropped him from the tour. How old are you?

.

him & Del's headlining performances at the TLA on South Street were the two worst credible MC's I've seen 'rock' a stage.

Kool Keith was kinda bad too but the fact that he was in that Black Elvis wig throwing fried chicken out of a KFC bucket at the audience at least left an indelible image with me ten years later.

The other two were just weak.

When I had seen Jeru a couple years earlier with The Roots at The Middle East around the time of Illadelph/Wrath Of The Math it was better but obviously The Legendary & a more intimate setting helped that.

Funnily enough, the 'misogyny' that folks are mentioning in here is that same commentary from 'Da Bitchez' that Jeru at the Middle East stopped his show for to argue with the women up front who he felt were taking it the wrong way & talking shit to him while he was performing.

...yo, thats some wild ish...I can tell you this, my homeboy did some promotions back in the day, around the time "Wrath of the Math" dropped, I was backstage and had copped the CD right at the show, so on some fan type ish, I had duke sign my CD. While signing someone asked Jeru what he was doing after the show, and he said "I'm trying to fuck one of these white bitches"...shit blew me away...being that it was in Phoenix, 80% of the crowd was white....anyway, just thought it was wild hearing that coming from him...lol...but who doesn't like pussy? Come on yall....

wack fuckin post

very little Hip-Hop labelled conscious would pass some PC test. Maybe Arrested Development or Disposable heroes of crap or Jungle Brothers circa ''Done by the forces..." and some other stuff but often, there is some stuff there-be it misogyny or braggadocio or overtones of negativity or racism or drugs or whatever-that would offend someone,

Basically, I think of it more as a term that define some common Hip-Hop cliches and when rappers stress these at the expense of others (really, a lot of conscious rappers seem to get that tag based on what they *don't* say; meanwhile, a lot of gangsta-rappers say the same things but mix it up with stuff that don't fit in the ''conscious Hip-Hop'' box), they become viewed as ''conscious'' rappers; it's not a big deal to me really...

This post is non-cypher. LOL.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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Then when she declined his advances, he flipped and started dissin her looks.

Anyway. He always came across as a bitter rapper. I remember that bullshit argument he was making with Lauryn Hill in defense of his prejudice against White people.
Talent or no talent, he's an arrogant asshole. And a hypocrite.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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surprised he didn't pull the dick out on her.

He scoped my friend out in the spot. She wasn't checkin for him. She certainly aint ugly, especially since SHE turned him down.
Please believe... that nigga was thirsty.
In between talkin wit Q-Tip, your man kept strollin over to my friend the whole night.
Btw this was a Tribe tribute show at Joe's pub in Manhattan.
He bought her drinks. Then offered to drive her home, with the obligatory detour to his house, since she lived in Brooklyn as well.
Before she left with him, she kept askin me if I thought it was a good idea for her to get in his car. She thought he was ugly, but felt she should atleast give him a chance (probably only because he's a known rapper).
Long story short....... he talked some fake-ass "energy" bullshit, but made it crazy obvious that he wanted to fuck her THAT night.
She said no.
He started shittin on trivial stuff about her looks.
C'mon Jeru. Really???

Im sorry but anyone who leaves the club with a nigga they just met should get the "we fuckin tonight" full court press.

...lol...wooo haaaaaaaaaa....

after the interview

nigger didn't realize you did it till it was too late HAHAAA
HA

I don't give shit if an artist is 'conscious' or not. What matters to me is if they're real, sincere, thought-provoking, creative in any way that will keep me returning to their music over and over.

I spent a lot of time in the conscious bubble in high school, and then i discovered that a lot of people looked up to in that bubble didn't even like those restrictions.

Being yourself is what matters the most. Fuck living up to labels, tags, and boxes. Just do you and do it flawlessly.

a dope MC

ha

On My Mind Spray http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBk_jZX_TpQ

thats worse

backed by great producers.

Come Clean drew me in - W.O.T.M. settled the deal.

Unique, classic in my book.

Oh, and I strongly support a Jeru thread hittin 140 replies.
Thats the kinda music discussion I need from this place.