i know i've made this post before, i know some people can't acknowledge that jay dee made any missteps in his career...
but this just came on random while i was doing something for work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS2po1Fy3Ag

this was so fucking wack.

i'd rather listen to ll cool j - imagine that and i'd never like to hear that song again in my life.

V.

and the music that we heard on the radio growing up.

perfect to get your Errol Flynn on to. but you wouldn't know shit about that.

it's ok. it's alrigggggght...

>and the music that we heard on the radio growing up.
>
>perfect to get your Errol Flynn on to. but you wouldn't know
>shit about that.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0maWK-O1c

the period itself just has so many duds.
frank-n-dank
his jaylib beats
the whole beat tape that contained "what up" was dud city

it was just a terrible, derivative period in his career where he was yearning to play catch up to the times in arguably the most shitty period in black music history.
yet, it never gets acknowledged as a misstep of any kind.

just my opinion, i know i'm not alone, despite how unfavorable it might be.

alot of duds.

counting only the placed tracks then i disagree.

i'd actually say overall Dilla had an equal amount of duds throughout all of his eras. Moreso during his "Jay Dee" period. He had some snoozers but what producer doesn't.

We kinda got a rare opportunity, in a way, to listen to his vault of tracks. Outside of Madlib, we don't get this kind of insight to producers and i think it would be unfair to completely write them off.

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thanks for turnin me on to that, hadnt heard it before.

>thanks for turnin me on to that, hadnt heard it before.

LOL.

Seriously..

Thank you for contributing some cool shit to listen to.

Man I wish I could hear the whole 48 Hours in its original form, though I do enjoy the current one.

Its out there :)

your welcome.

>your welcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6dxz2SwbYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iily4-EmYRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4q5BcWUFCA

...but they don't sound alike. Not really at all. Kinda in the same stylistic ballpark. That's about it.

all his electro track period either but you didn't pick the right one.

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

Detroit players, how else do you want it
McNasty niggas! Who you think this is?

but you picked the wrong beat to showcase...cause this one kinda goes hard.
thanks for the reminder. i haven't heard it in a while.

Most of the tracks he gave Busta during that period knocked. And judging from the Dillagence mixtape Busta may have claimed/purchased some of the doper beats from the Jaylib leak that didn't make Champion Sound. Plus Welcome 2 Detroit is a part of that time frame, along with the B-Side Move, Bahamadia's One-4-Teen, The SV Trinity tracks, Let's Grow, Spacek's Eve Remix, and the handful of solid cuts on 48 Hrs like Keep It Coming, Ma Dukes and so on.

That said, I will admit that there were some duds on 48 Hrs. And the Peer Pressure track for De La and the beats he gave Kweli for Quality never really did much for me. But still, to call that whole time frame "wack" is a bit much.

especially in contrast to the hook. It's a cool song though.

Was that it was his engineering peak. If you listen to those 2002 Batches, it sounds like they were mastered. Whether you like the beats or not is up to you, but they were perfectly mixed. He would later abandon his set up and go back to the stripped down sound that created Donuts and the Motown beats.

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

If you listen to the instrumental, there's a lot going on that you may not have noticed at first.

It's one of my favs of his.

And you're right about the nuances. I enjoyed it more listening to just the beat itself. Still though, I don't love it in the way that you and the handful of cats above seem to lol. I guess it's just too slow for my tastes. Plus it just feels like it's missing.....something. Maybe my ear wants it to be bouncier or to have a more pronounced bassline. Like the Genesis track has a relatively slow tempo as well and I love that beat. *shrug*

Like that whole period, he was getting into playing more and really creating these futuristic-styled bangers. In fact, it sounds fresh as hell in 2013.

Thanks for reminding me I need to dig more joints from this period up! You're good for something my man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlE3YHB9GC8

Some really dope shit from that era.

thank you!

I like both versions of "I'll Bet U Will" aka "Street Life", also "Where's The Parties At?" 12inch version verses the album version, but if I had to choose I like the "48 Hours" album versions a little bit more.

Love the beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5eVbj7yIc

This shit is so ILL. Got the 12" somewhere round the crib. Gotta go find it now. Simple beat, but the rhythm is sooooo damn funky.

I don't like using the term "swag" anymore but this is definitely a "swag Dilla beat". That swing baby.

it IS simple, but shhh is DOPE!

Thats two main chords repeated times infintite and kick snare kick snare - and it works PERFECTLY. Simplicity perfected.

Matter of fact I thought Madlib sonned him..
And the majority of Frank & Dank tracks were horrible, the one posted however was not one of them.

from a beat tape..Dilla really had nothing to do with it then they decided to do the jaylib thing after that.

initially Madlib rapped over some beattape stuff for himself and scrawled Jaylib on the CD-R. Dilla caught wind of it and told him they should just make an album. they sent each other instrumentals back and forth and two-tracked Jaylib LP together.

i mean a-alike explanations, but somehow menph left out that key info...lmao

no - I really dug the FnD joint (some tracks more then other) when i got my hands on it years ago - thinking this was way before its time (as usual) - i like "tek" dilla - in fact Hoe's of SV's Trinity is on of my favorite dilla productions,,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj-BXlRdueM
that Steel Drum flip at the end too.

Love that song/beat - my favorite on that album (

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1z_GtBkAP0
whooo!

i actually like dilla's synthed out tracks; he does that sound well. plus, he always has some ill melody and/or drums to make it sound even more raw.

frank-n-dank sort of suck...but this beat is nice.

...club-wise and for those that wanted dope pimp, ho, & player type raps with beats that knocked and would get even the underground heads boppin'.

I still listen to "48 Hours" (the second version), too bad the original version of that album never was leaked other than the three songs that were on the 12inch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjnfaVw3S94

"All Seasons"

...account, between that site and his "Smokey The Cat" myspace account, Houseshoes use to upload/leak a lot of dope songs & instrumentals.

http://media.newschoolers.com/uploads/images/17/00/43/96/59/439659.gif

I agree wholeheartedly. That frank n dank album was full of this crap. I actually thought he was toast until I heard 'fuck the police'.

you ole big head nigga.. this shit knocks.

>you ole big head nigga.. this shit knocks.

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

48 Hrs is basically the same beat over and over again and I didn't care for it, but there's some good beats in that period

48 Hours was dull to me.

But that's me

if you actually put this on in a club in 2002 - it would have resulted in the club going out of business the next week.

i mean if the originals by rockwilder have aged terrible 10 years later, beats by jay dee from this era have aged even worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLBzhHwgX9s

a lot of those more "commercial" beats are mediocre at best. a lot of those later Frank N Dank beats don't constitute "DILLA" in my mind. I wasn't feeling What Up initially, but it works in the context of those Jaylib instrumentals

he was trying to throw a curve ball at everyone after "the blast" blew up with his 90's sound.
ok, that's fine.
but he was really out of his element.
i know a lot of people will say everything he did had a certain level of craftsmenship to it, and that's true.
so if that's what you're appreciating or focusing on, then i guess these are beyond reproach.
the issue that i have is they are awful, awful attempts at club bangers.
that bang in no club anywhere.
i have always said frank-n-dank were the most unsuccessful club rappers of all-time.
even smilez and southstar had their moment in the sun.
they're like an underground smilez and southstar who just happened to have an out-of-his-element jay dee at the helm of their music.
the results, were mixed are best.
unbearably bad at worst.
i just have to point this out on here every few years.

like he was lost professionally

EDIT better link for Move

thing is, he could make bangers. imo Pause (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVbBGjmnbbU)
and Move (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnB7N3Tuc2w)
are bonafide bangers--both songs even feature Frank N Dank

Move is classic 4 on the floor Detroit

and, from my limited knowledge, no one was really making songs like that in the early 2000s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oVzIgPjkfo

of course a song about women stripping isnt your thing

we ain't letting this shit slide, what's the skinny

>of course a song about women stripping isnt your thing


you know, that would explain why I like Pinkyxxx, Cubana Lust, and have a
grip of Chocolate Honeys vids on my external HD. oh wait, it doesn't

since we're on the topic, Jaylib's - Strip Club represents a classic
Dilla beat from that era. it's completely different from his 90s work,
something no one would expect from Jay Dee. still sounds fresh today

Back when I didn't have the knowledge, I guessed that he was playing the Triton/Trinity on most of those beats. I know he re-did a bunch of the FnD tracks because of sample clearance (the Supremes-less version of "Ma Dukes" is still nasty as hell) but I assumed a lot of the more minimal beats (including a bunch that Madlib picked for the retail version of Jaylib) were just Dilla fucking around with a keyboard, moving on to a new sound (Neptunes, or uh...Rockwilder-influenced).

Then you hear the OGs for shit like "What Up," "Hoes," a bunch of those "First Installment" beats, the craziness on the 2002 batches (ungodly Zapp/Roger flips....obviously samples but I mean DAMN.)

Whether you want to believe it or not, Dilla had beatmakers reaching for different records after that period. Synth shit, prog, 80's rock...all that shit took on a different meaning after he got his hands on them.

It's tied with the Ummah sound as my favorite Jay Dee period. So much creativity.

i, too, was shocked to find out a lot of that stuff was sampled.

But his beat tapes were as good as anything he's ever made, really. Turn Me Up Some is the best example of a beat at that time that you would figure would have been him on a synth but instead was a weird and obscure sample.

>Then you hear the OGs for shit like "What Up," "Hoes," a bunch
>of those "First Installment" beats, the craziness on the 2002
>batches (ungodly Zapp/Roger flips....obviously samples but I
>mean DAMN.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1blQpf3lM

it was on a later tape than the 2002/2003 stuff.

"Relax": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBhD5BsYwdI

no offense to either attempts but the shit bang too rediculous...it'd be tough for anyone to properly rock over it IMO

plus the De la chorus is snooze inducing

hahaha no way.
this is ill!

http://moviemodelkits.com/images/cats_eye_troll1d.jpg

shit kinda sounds like Prince on the studio record of Controversy, I fucks with that.

"Take Dem Clothes Off" is one of those tracks I only tolerate cause it's Dilla... if it were the Neps I would have called it bullshit like I did 99.25% of their cookie cutter shit (i.e. "Superthug" et al), the stuff they did for Jay-Z, Clipse and N.E.R.D. were better to me.

>"Take Dem Clothes Off" is one of those tracks I only tolerate
>cause it's Dilla

say it ain't so Claw
wack shit is wack shit and Dilla's had his share just like anybody else

this is me. That song was lackluster but not wack...

I actually like it, but it's not astronomical or anything
I'm talking about supporting something just because somebody did it
I can't do it, fam

Some records are steeped in mythology. Frank N Dank’s 48 Hours is just such a recording. Why so few samples from Dilla? Was that MCA’s decision as they didn’t believe they could get clearances? Why did MCA shelve the recording for so long? Where’s the “original version”? There are nearly more questions about this album than cuts on the album. But according to Frank, “contrary to popular belief there was never an ‘original version’ of 48 Hours. We started recording songs to sample driven beats of Dilla‘s and we got 80% of the album done and Dilla decided to change the beats to all the songs.” That’s right, it wasn’t MCA’s legal department, it was Dilla’s creative vision that stripped out the samples. But what about the sample laden “Take Your Clothes Off” and “Off Your Chest” you may ask? Frank interjects, “those were done after the fact.” And why did MCA shelve the project, was this a label afraid to release what the Detroit trio had concocted? Well that doesn’t appear to be the case. According to Nitt turnover in the A&R department at the time was rapid to the point that no one seemed to know who at MCA was responsible for the project. This led to a call to then MCA president Jay Boberg who agreed to release Frank N Dank from their deal.

So there you have it. As Freud once said, “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”. In the case of 48 Hours, it’s one hell of a tasty cigar. 48 Hours is now at last ready for the respect and proper release it has deserved all along, with the complete album as well as a second disc of Dilla’s instrumentals included. As Frank reminds us, “This is the exact version of 48 Hours that we (Frank N Dank & Dilla) turned in to MCA and the way Dilla intended it to be!”

48 Hours was among Dilla's worst work, and I think people needed some excuse as to why it was so average, so they made up some story about how poor Dilla couldn't use his amazing beats and had to replace them with average ones.

This is coming from one of his biggest fans, too, so don't hate the theory.

>48 Hours was among Dilla's worst work, and I think people
>needed some excuse as to why it was so average, so they made
>up some story about how poor Dilla couldn't use his amazing
>beats and had to replace them with average ones.

you know an album is wack when the write-up contains bias plea coppage...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/48_Hours_%28Frank-n-Dank_album%29#Overview

there are people on here that actually believe Dilla never made a wack beat, much less a whole album of them, it's really sad and does nothing for his legacy
you can't get great at something, and continue to be great at it, if you don't fuck up along the way

It's definitely lackluster, but i wouldn't put it anywhere in the same category with a 2Chainz level of wackness.