>Just like you believe musicians make the type of music they
>want, I believe that people *want* to hear music they think is
>good.

what is this, clash of the obvious?


>It's awfully presumptious and even a bit condescending
>to always talk about "those" music-fans who listen
>to/dismiss/dislike/like/whatever music for the "wrong"
>reasons.

i'll bee dat


>If someone say "This shit ain't real hip-hop, it sucks!",
>that statement IMO means that that person have certain sonic
>expectations for Hip-Hop that the piece of music fails to
>reach.
>
>I guess you think it's wrong to have that but what if those
>sonic expectations contribute to the concept of *quality* in
>the Hip-Hop genre for said person? Is that wrong?

you're not doing much to sway me in my view that genre concepts differ from person to person. to answer your question, no, i don't think it's wrong, people can listen to music however they please, but just because someone says a song "sucks" because it's not hip-hop enough *to that person* doesn't mean the song failed and doesn't live up to the supposed "real hip-hop" standard, which wildly differs depending on who you ask.

what the listener is really bringing is what they like and don't like to hear. you can assign that to genre if you want, but i think it's clear everyone has their own understanding of a genre.


>With genre-definitions, there is at least SOME
>shared consensus which makes the different perceptions and
>definitions from various people quite interesting IMO. It's
>not a favorite subject but I find it fun...

i agree, but i'm opposed to treating genre like it's objective and rigid when it isn't at all. furthermore, the more i listen, the less use i have for genre overall. i think some people genre themselves right out of enjoying something.