>this almost empty bottle of glue don't hardly make you think
>of the dead horse at all no more.
>
>But, here goes 10 bullet points of forensic speculation:
>
>•he'd pushed "quirky elfin pop/funk sex weirdo" ass far as he
>could and radio changed right up under his feet.

POINT 1....This is not exactly dropping science, here....This^^^ goes with SoWhat's point about hip-hop and New Jack hijacking black music....And what happened as a result of this? Black radio followed...Prince's image just didn't fix the new mix...


>•a guy who would implode the Time and put Paul Peterson in the
>spotlight to get "that Duran Duran" money ,says what?

There his babies...he could have put a puppy as a front man for those groups...All this says is Prince was trying to make money like everyone else...This is has NOTHING to do with dude's "fall"...

>•He was shook. He wanted to appeal to Black radio, prove he
>was down.

See point no. 1....


>•Also factor in the execs at Warner's that championed Prince
>weren't there anymore or being phased out or moved around (Mo
>Ostin, Lenny Waronker). So his superstar bullying tactics
>didn't have the same effect...he looked more like an asshole
>than a genius pulling the Black Album after it had shipped.
>The labels were like...'fuck this guy...let's push Ice T. in
>the 3rd & 4th quarter'.


See point no. 1....


>•...pulling The Black album was the point he really started
>schitting the bed decision wise. "Lovesexy" follows the same
>constructs that went into "The Rainbow Children" minus going
>overboard with the religious dogma, stylistically & quality
>wise. He could have easily re-tooled schitt like "Dream
>Factory", "Welcome 2 the Rat Race" & "Crystal Ball" and
>coupled it with "Positivity", "Dance On", "Eye Know/Crystal
>Ball", "When 2 R In Love", "Rebirth of the Flesh" & "Joy In
>Repitition" and had a ridiculously awesome "band" oriented
>"Prince" album that fans and critics couldn'tve ignored if
>they tried, in spite of Teddy Riley's matinee funk sound that
>was really starting to permeate Black radio. Why all of a
>sudden did this fool wanna be a "Black" act, when his sound
>appealed to more than just the Black radio audience


Again...you could have made this all shorter by simply saying that Prince wanted was getting beat out culturally by Teddy, NWA and the new generation of black music...When you are a guy that plays guitar in high heels, how does this look next to Ice Cube?

>•There was just some master self-sabotage schitt going down
>cause he was used to getting his way with Warner Bros., and
>they firmly & immediately put the kybosh on that triple album
>idea after UTCM.




Now this^^^^^^^^^ IS FUCKING TRUE...Some of Prince's decision making was HORRIBLE...


>•Musically his strengths at the time were, the material & the
>people that helped foster the material (Eric Leeds, Wendy,
>Lisa, Sheila, Levi, Matt Blistan, as well as the engineers who
>believed in the helping him capture all of that round the
>clock)...not Wally Safford, Greg Brooks and Jerome hanging
>around. He tried to make S.O.T.T.'s feel like a one man show,
>but it wasn't. He wanted to be in a band...but all of a sudden
>he wanted it to be a fey/quasi religious version of Sly & the
>Family Stone and P-Funk...AND dominate black radio?


I'm not buying any of this ^^^^...lol


>•Dude, FUCKED UP...and would have to pay for it, with 10+
>years of really confusing material, Hit & Run Tours galore,
>playing catch up on the radio, Tony M, that embarrassing G.B.
>movie flopping harder than Vlade Divac, lame publicity stunts
>(the name change, Kamasutra), turmoil with Warner Bros., to
>free agency and even more confusing career calamities as well
>as musical missteps.

He fucked up for two reasons that basically is the thesis of this thread: Too much music released...And the rise of hip-hop and R&B...The latter pushed Prince to chase the hip-hop dragon....We all know what happened after that....


>•Whoever (in this post) said "Paisley Park", was too much
>freedom, was on to something.

This could be the case...He needed someone to tell him to slow down...I agree...But I guess Prince wouldn't be Prince without the Park....


>•and mind you...dude still managed to have one glimpse or
>another of having some vapors in the tank on each terrible
>project...which was really the hardest thing to bare for older
>fans.


To me it's simple...Prince shot his wad...He did waaaay too much on the music tip...Released too many albums and songs back-to-back,,,Now we fans are not really complaining about this NOW because that's part of dude's mythology...But back then, it was evident that he needed to take a rest and pace himself...

But more importantly, again, it has to be said SoWhat nailed and YOU nailed as well...Prince's "fall" can be connected to the rise of hip-hop/New Jack Swing...P's image didn't fit in with the new generation....

LoveSexy said as much...Nigga naked on the cover....Meanwhile, Guy is in silk suits on their album cover getting young black kids to the clubs to dance their cares away...And Cube and crew is dropping the real about White America's and Black Middle Class America's worst nightmare....

And there it is.....


As usual, good talk, homie...