Im refering to production in the hiphop sense (non vocal elements of a song). The easy choice for me was illmatic but im not that big a fan of reprasent so im going with Mecca and the soul brother cos i have a sweet tooth for jazzy hiphop. Add on....

Without a doubt my favorite produced hip-hop album from top to bottom.

Liquid Swords is right up there a well.

it's incredible shit.

nm

MOT's production was good quality but unexciting, a calcification of the sound that primo would basically take to his grave: fourth-bar breakdowns, 95 bpms and spliced-together hooks that lacked the catchiness of his earlier scratched hooks.

primo's work on hard 2 earn, daily operation, sun rises in the east and livin' proof is more exciting and better overall. i'd venture to say that most people who say otherwise probably loved MOT for what it represented as an alternative to the diddy era -- or weren't listening to primo in the early 90s.

But MOT's production was truly outstanding.

>MOT's production was good quality but unexciting, a
>calcification of the sound that primo would basically take to
>his grave: fourth-bar breakdowns, 95 bpms and spliced-together
>hooks that lacked the catchiness of his earlier scratched
>hooks.
>
>primo's work on hard 2 earn, daily operation, sun rises in the
>east and livin' proof is more exciting and better overall. i'd
>venture to say that most people who say otherwise probably
>loved MOT for what it represented as an alternative to the
>diddy era -- or weren't listening to primo in the early 90s.

but out of the last nine tracks (there are frigging 20 songs), only "make 'em pay" and maybe "betrayal" are memorable to me. and the hooks aren't overly strong anywhere, which was one of primo's strongest contributions to his earlier work.

...from my last post where I said that the album was clearly too long. I can't argue with anything you're saying, I only think you might be understating a little bit just how great the great production on that album is.

DO and HTE are still better, no matter what.

94. I had all of those albums (except Daily Operation) before Moment of Truth.

And no, I didn't like MOT because it was an answer to the Diddy era. I was actually rocking LAD and NWO then as well.

MOT is better to me in terms of quality. You can tell Primo put his ass in that record.

All this 'it's not new and exciting" bullshit doesn't mean anything to me because I don't listen to music for whatever is new and exciting. I rock with what I think is dope.

The sequencing, the beats, the scratches, the features...everything worked perfectly on MOT.

All of Primo's work in the mid 90s lead up to that album and then he just perfected it.

so you're not interested in music that is inventive, groundbreaking or influential -- only what you "think is dope."

shocker.

listening to what you
"think is dope" >>>>>>>>> checking for the next gimmick and musical fad





>so you're not interested in music that is inventive,
>groundbreaking or influential -- only what you "think is
>dope."
>
>shocker.

It's actual sad that you listen to music for the next fad.

You're probably the 40 year old dude in the club with the jersey on trying to hold on to your younger years.

proving my point yet again, you consider anything outside of a narrow little aesthetic box to be a "fad." despite the fact that the south has dominated rap for the last decade, the idea that "flockaveli" and "TM101" are masterfully produced albums is beyond comprehension. your taste is so skewed towards one specific time/location/orthodoxy that it's totally worthless when applied to anything else. it sucks to be you.

Nm

and has both Primo's and Guru's best work over the course of an album
straight up and down, it's a masterpiece and when you consider what sort of run GangStarr was on before it dropped, you can see how that album did what most thought was impossible

It's all opinions though

>nm

some other standouts:

nation of millions
amerikkka's most wanted
midnight marauders
cuban linx
hard 2 earn
thug motivation 101
the documentary
graduation
flockaveli
blueprint

>thug motivation 101
>the documentary
>flockaveli
>

escape the 90s, little man

The Fix
Below The Heavens
I'll Sleep When You're Dead, Cure 4 Cancer, and RAP Music
Never Better
Madvillainy
Fantastic vol 2
Game Theory
In The Ruff & People Hear What They See
Supreme Clientele

lulz @ you attempting to clown three albums with great beats.

Nm

I'd say either Efil4zaggin or Low End Theory

fantastic vol.1 & 2
ATLiens
Liquid Swords

Train Of Thought
Like Water For Chocolate
Things Fall Apart
black on both sides
Do You Want More???!
Illadelph Halflife
Game Theory
Ready To Die
Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers
Only built for cuban linx
Low End Theory
Midnight Marauders
Liquid Swords
Mecca & the Soul brother
R.A.P. Music
Cancer 4 Cure
Fantastic Damage
The Cold Vein
Labor Days
De La Soul Is Dead
Stakes is High
The Renaissance
The Chronic
2001
Late Registration
My beautiful dark twisted fantasy
The Ecstatic
...

I don't know, there ain't no #1 in this hip hop ish.

*CROCKER*

word booty.

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Stunts Blunts and Hip Hop is a fucking production showcase to the nth degree

Now that D's back

can't they grab Madlib and get the Soulquarians back together

I'm puttin the band back together - BB

the best hiphop aLbum production on one LP ever.

Busy?

moved to a new apartment.. packing, moving, unpacking.. then my girLs started back to schooL this past week and they are hanging with me this weekend.

on the east coast side

Street Gospel - Suga Free

impossible to legally produce an album like that in the following couple decades.

or making any sort of income off it

so between those three things eliminates pretty much any kind of collective of talent from ever trying it again.

you don't think it could be made bedroom producer style today with all the software and technology available? i feel like you're overstating the importance of studio time. i think time in general might be the bigger factor. people don't have the attention span and dedication to make something like that, and listeners don't expect better than what they're given on a regular basis.

>you don't think it could be made bedroom producer style today
>with all the software and technology available?

that were trained at some level of engineering/production/instrumentation, you're not gonna get that kind of depth from a bedroom producer even with the technological improvements.

For a myriad of reasons, rap music will never sound like that album again.

BS were bedroom niggas too at one time and if they had that kind of advice to listen to then, we wouldn't have this sort of conversation now

been suggested

....

Another album that I don't think could be produced now.
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Moment of Truth- Simply put, a 20 track album with not a single less than great beat. Has some of my favourite beats ever: Next Time, Above the clouds, JFK to LAX, moment of truth

Cold Vein- El-p's beats were so incredibly layered and apocalyptic and fitted the tone of the album perfectly.

2001- Every song sounds like it would be a single on anyone else's album.

Honourable mentions:
Hell Hath no Fury- The Clipse
College Dropout- Kanye- this is a personal classic for me, love every beat on this album
Only Built for Cuban linx- Raekwon