* "Oh that's how I update my sound!" Madlib
* "I don't get it. What do ki's have to do with cuffs?" Rick Ross
* "I already got the first half of that shit memorized." Mos Def
* "What'd he say about the feminization of men?" Frank Ocean
* "But is Thom Yorke on the album?" Flying Lotus
* "The nigga rapped my Whole Foods shopping list." Andre 3000
* "All is forgiven." Doomposter Victims
* "I wish I had them beats." Nas
* "Madvillain sucked" Anonymous
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I don't think I've heard anything by Jneiro Jarel other than a TV on the Radio remix.

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas

http://www.last.fm/user/NodimaChee
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Nodima/run_that_shit__nodimas_hip_hop_handbook

That's the uno

And "Three Piece Puzzle" since you've came that far already haha.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

i liked parts of shape of broad minds, but overall it was not hittin for me.

i STILL need to check Fauna

as soon as I heard that DOOM was calling this record his "UK Pop Record" I've been itching for this like crack rock

expecting mindbending things. I'd throw 20 bucks for a copy right now

I agree with you though...guaranteed to slay everyone. DOOM really is incredible and Jneiro knows how to blow minds. Can't wait for this.

I love Jneiro Jarel on production; DOOM was who I was unsure of (more so if the lyrics are new or at least never heard before)
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

banished, dawg friendly edit, guv'nor, retarded fren boiler room, rhymin slang, winter blues and wash your hands... favs are winter blues and wash your hands... EXACTLY how i want hiphop to sound in 2012 - ultra excited for the whole album

>banished, dawg friendly edit, guv'nor, retarded fren boiler
>room, rhymin slang, winter blues and wash your hands... favs
>are winter blues and wash your hands... EXACTLY how i want
>hiphop to sound in 2012 - ultra excited for the whole album

DOOM is an all-time favorite, I was just worried whether he was "all in" on this or not. Looking forward to it.
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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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or madvillain if your name isn't imcvspl
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SHUT UP!

For serious?????????!
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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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but not if you're listening to the spit... he killin it.
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>but not if you're listening to the spit... he killin it.

I had a gripe about his voice on the one song I've heard, but not enough to not be excited still.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

miss you gb.

grown on me now - friggin love the "we get it in like your big fat gypsy wedding" line.. being from england and knowing its the 'UK DOOM' album ....so excited - so has it leaked?

the search was no bueno :/

Im still enjoying the ethering of sonnymoon.

im glad i couldnt tell which song damon albarn featured on

but it does have a few too many of dooms crew guys on the album where i would prefer more doom

not that theyre bad, theyre not, but more doom please

but as someone who doesnt even remember being a JJ fan, i like this album a lot

Nah b.... it's an album.

but it seemed like half of it was dooms crew?

>but it seemed like half of it was dooms crew?

Naw, just Jneiro Jarel and Khujo Goodie

I cant find it anywhere :(

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http://www.last.fm/user/chillhood

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/16/doom-key-to-the-kuffs
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AWESOME!!!!!!

the only thing it coulda done with was more doom, i was waiting and waiting for him to rhyme on dawg friendly, bout the shoes and still kaps - i feel the same about all doom albums though to be fair

JJ has had better beats.

DOOM has had better rhymes.

But I am sincerely happy to have new music from them so I'm not mad at this at all.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

on track 9, not blown away at all. it's good, but ethering? no

Especially in a year with some many good hip hop releases.

because I'm thinking that he hit a wall.

not excited about it.
so hopefully it will pleasantly surprise me.

(keep in mind, im a big fan of all doom's previous classics).

peace & blessings,

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I'm on Rhymin' Slang... sounds like it might get better. I sure hope it does.

>I'm on Rhymin' Slang... sounds like it might get better. I
>sure hope it does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Aua9kYYrYo

>>I'm on Rhymin' Slang... sounds like it might get better. I
>>sure hope it does.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Aua9kYYrYo


I'm really not feeling this album though :/

whole album right now... i'll go back after it drops and give it deeper listens.. sounded pretty good.. but that live version of Winter Blues sounded like some next level shit... honestly, THAT's album aesthetic that i want now.. oh well, i'll live..

man...

loving this so far.

good looking out. this is gonna be in heavy rotation once i officially cop it.


peace & blessings,

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Crazy, crazy erratic album. Gonna stand the test of repeated listens for a WHILE

...listened to the complete album stream, sounds dope...still digesting...

I really only like winter blues. Not a fan of jenieros beats (or rhymes actually) save for three piece puzzle.

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

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shit it's one of the best written rap albums of all time IMO

shit it's Top 10 of the 2000s if you grant it amnesty with the re-release (I think most people didn't hear it until 2000/2001).

That album set up one of the best second-acts in rap music history, it plays like a movie in the Wu solo album tradition.

Has more memorable songs than Madvillian by miles as well.

Madvillian will get more love from the rock-critic, hipster & Madlib Fanboy sets but Doomsday is the defining album of Daniel Dumile's career.

Its mixed/mastered really warm (in contrast to the Killer Mike/El-P joint). Very pleasing to the ears. DOOM is the shit on this. Same with Jneiro. Way better than I expected (and I had high expectations). Best album this year so far...I will bet that people will be talking about this release as a classic years from now.

Ok so it's not just me then

"GUVNOR" makes my face scrunch up all mean-like. i'm really digging this so far.

It was sick to begin with but it just keeps gettin better & better

I really hope the CD I ordered comes w/ that Rhymin Slang Sitek remix

Sit down. Put on some headphones and really listen. Don't just play it through your laptop speakers and "meh...next" to this shit. This is ear candy.

pre-order it from the Lex store.

http://shop.lexrecords.com/collections/catalogue/products/key-to-the-kuffs

Ok, so I just Listened to the entire proect at the Guardian Link at my job..

Let me say this: I was a fan of Doom since Operation Doomsday (rhymes Like dimes) & madviLLan...

I've been up on jneiro since (going waaaay back here..) since this dude name chris craft was hosting battLe of the beats onLine tourneys when the internet was 1st popping off... I entered the contest after the one jneiro won... so 3piece puzzLe era and I fucked with jareL. Purchased shape of broad minds on vinyL&cd (his best work hands down that we've heard).. have the beat journey who dat on cd (its ok/not anything extra fresh) etc...

So I'm a head, at one point have been a fan of both artists, supported &drove around Listening to these dudes shit in my car..


Man, I couLd not be more disappointed in this weak ass project... some of this (most of this) production on here??? Fuckin waaack.. straight up wack. Id say there is 3 dope joints on here.. by far and away the 3rd joint with doom rapping fast is my favorite shit in terms of the beat , rhyme & new sounding fLavor..

But man.. cmon dude. I know jneiro prob got SO MANY fresh ass beats in his beat stash or on his computer... many of these joints are Super corny. This shit is garbage to me

just cool.

im gonna wait and keep listening... i think itll be a grower just like banished was.. GMO is dope as fuck... wash your hands... AWESOME... need to keep listening for the rest...

http://www.factmag.com/2012/08/17/%E2%80%9Creal-paper-not-a-kindle-fact-meets-doom-the-undergrounds-greatest-masked-man/

http://www.spin.com/articles/a-revealing-doom-qa-supervillain-on-nas-pool-parties-his-rap-hating-mom

im pretty sure alot of the pics used on websites i.e. the factmag has the dude he was using as an imposter in them!!!

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

>http://www.factmag.com/2012/08/17/%E2%80%9Creal-paper-not-a-kindle-fact-meets-doom-the-undergrounds-greatest-masked-man/
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>http://www.spin.com/articles/a-revealing-doom-qa-supervillain-on-nas-pool-parties-his-rap-hating-mom


i get the feeling his real life persona isn't too different from who he is on record. those were pretty informative, thanx.

no frank book.... gutted!

reporter:Have you ever sampled Stevie Wonder?

doom: No speakey the English!

lol

I'm a huge supporter of Born Like This, I thought there was a real strong cyclical message behind it that was a lot of fun to peel back the layers of those first few weeks, and the songs on their own were great for months afterward. This one has become fun to listen to but it wasn't very engaging until I settled into the beats and started picking out lines on songs I'd be waiting to hear. For the first time I can see where people that say DOOM is just rattling off words and nothing more are coming from...

Jarel came correct though. The last track is hilarious to me, it sounds like DOOM making fun of Fabolous or some shit. I could totally see him or someone like Nicki rocking a slightly different version of that beat.

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas

http://www.last.fm/user/NodimaChee
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Nodima/run_that_shit__nodimas_hip_hop_handbook

Like you be really bout it when it come to this music shit. Sincerely applaud the level of effort you put into music, especially as a young buck. We need a lot more cats like you that do the dilligence.

But based on that subject line alone - you ain't hip-hop son!!

It is absolutely impossible for you to be hip-hop listen to this album and conclude that Doom ain't saying shit. Nigga said more on this album than every album you reviewed this year. And if you couldn't hear that... there's just something missing in your hip-hop make up. You may want to just give up writing about hip-hop all together cause you don't get it.

And I say that with the utmost respect.
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Pay Attention.

The production is fantastic (layers, layers, layers) and DOOM's trademark wit is still intact.

Gov'nor, Banished, Bite the Thong, GMO, Winter Blues and Retarded Fren are standouts after one listen.

Wash Your Hands is full of quotable lines, lol.

I'm convinced Doom fans are brainwashed.

DOOM back.

somebody else in this poast said he ain't saying nothing in this one. for reals? shit just ain't been decoded, yet.

Wash Your Hands is crazy. GMO is crazy.

on wash your hands, the line about bovine visna... he talking 'bout the chick is fly, , but she got AIDS**.

the whole song he's talking about how folks be sleeping on germs and nasty behavior. and he couches a reference to how fine a woman is (skrip club holla) and that when dude's be approaching these chicks just on the basis of how they look, they may as well be saying 'lemme get some of that... HIV'.

that's one line. but that's genius.

lots of jewels on this joint.


** The Strecker Memorandum, from about 20-25 yrs ago posited the theory of the manmade origin of AIDS, and the propagation through WHO vaccination programs in africa, where the prevalence of HIV spread was proportional to the extent of the smallpox vaccination program. smallpox vaccine was manufactured using serum from baby calves. and Dr Robert Strecker noted the similarities between Bovine Visna, a retrovirus, with HIV, the retrovirus that causes AIDS.




peace & blessings,

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i need to listen to more doom.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=2246&mesg_id=2246&listing_type=search


peace & blessings,

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overall not really feeling the production on this one. Doom is good lyrically but the production is really...just not that good imo, I might be doing a bad job describing it but most of the tracks are too: electronic/blunt for me.

Tracks I really like:
Borin Coversation
GMO
Guv'nor
Winter Blues
Retarded Fren
Viberian Sun



I haven't liked a Doom project since Dangerdoom, but on the first listen this is still pretty dissapointing

I was a little disappointed at first, but this album is really growing on me.

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I had doubts but I'm glad to hear "DOOM" back. "GMO" is one of those great pieces from him

They had GMO as Bout the Shoes and vice versa, was wondering why Beth Gibbons sound like Bilal. I gotta re-burn the disc with the correct order.

you buy the albun on itunes and then burn it to a cd? why don't you just buy the cd in the first place and get the cover?
it seems strange to me, that's all.

cd was $9.99 last week on amazon and with free shipping on bestbuy.com

on the other hand, he is in australia

what are you saying? can't buy cds in australia?

i have no idea if the cd was released there or the price difference vs. iTunes. maybe burning mp3s to cd-r makes sense there is my point. here i would just buy the cd (and i did) and do whatever i want.

but as usual the store didn't have it in stock despite it been the release date. This chain is pretty much the only store that still carry non-major label CDs, so there really weren't many options. I didn't feel like waiting, so I went home and bought it on iTunes for a few dollars cheaper. Would've preferred the actual physical copy though, but yeah it just came down to me being impatient.

FYI new release CDs cost around $19-$22 here, and iTunes would be around $17.

They name one song twice and another is missing

mostly the beats
sounds like DOOM is sayin' some shit but I'll need more listens to really appreciate
why does "wash your hands" sound so much like "drop it like it's hot"
dark album overall, I'm thinking it would have been better to release it after this summer
still waiting on that shape of broad minds sophomore album
there was a snippet on youtube called "space city anthem" I think, I dunno why Jneiro removed it but it was serious

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http://www.last.fm/user/chillhood

Holy shit, "Viberian Summer Part 2" is unreal. This album was dope first listen...keeps getting better. I could leave without JJs raps, but whatever.

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-2morrow/dp/B001O3SQQM

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definitely a grower
shit is ill
i like the production alot.
DOOM sounds nice over these beats

the production is way more layered than i thought it was upon my first listen and DOOM is spitting some dope paranoid drunk uncle shit with a splash of "you dumb kids" thrown in

I'm dead ass too. Cause Nas got an Anchor. Ross got an Anchor. This shit deserves an anchor. *notes absence of mods in this thread*
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Copped it yesterday, and shit is definitely dope. Only listened to once all the way through so far, and while I enjoy it, I don't necessarilly hear anything game changing or genre redefining. Gotta listen to it a few more times, but at first listen I'm not sure if it will crack my 10 best hip-hop albums of the year.

Oh, and the reason that they were anchored Ross/Nas posts is because there were a number of duplicate posts about those albums right before they dropped, so a consolidation post was necessary. Same thing usually happens whenever one of those two drop an album. For this album, there was one duplicate post, maybe two at the most. People seem to know to keep their comments on the album in here.

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...but even I can that this ain't no event album. This is DOOM's first album in three years.

Now Madvillainy 2? That'll be an event album.

like seriously. the lyrics on this are so dense it's fucking crazy. the lyrics are the event and the beats play an excellent supporting role. shit a rapper with a decade long career that's not pandering is a fucking event. this shit important fam.
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But I will say that lyrics alone don't make an event album, no matter how much I respect/enjoy the lyricist. If that was the case, I would have anchored the post about Billy Wood's album earlier this year. Or the Open Mic Eagle album post.

>like seriously. the lyrics on this are so dense it's fucking
>crazy. the lyrics are the event and the beats play an
>excellent supporting role. shit a rapper with a decade long
>career that's not pandering is a fucking event. this shit
>important fam.

While I agree that it's important, it's not as rare as you'd think these days, as hip-hop and its best unheralded MCs get older. Shoot, I don't anticipate anchoring the post about the next Sean Price album (whenever it drops), and I'm willing to be that one will be devoid of pampering.

emphasis on delete. when i see an album post anchored i don't see it as a reminder not to make a post about an album, i see it as a critical talking point in The Lesson just like all the other anchors. If this doesn't deserve that status then none of them do.
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...do generate or we anticipate will generate lots of duplicate posts.

"Deserving" gots nothing to do with it (c) William Munne.

SP1200's mix, Fallon and Rock the Bells are all there to prevent multiple posts? Of course not.

Sorry for pressing the point, but I'm sure I'm not alone in seeing any anchor as an indication that the post is worthy of broad forum attention. That's what happens when things are anchored at the top of a board not just here but everywhere. I understand the whole prevent multiple posts deal but it's not the only result. I'll leave it at that... promise.
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I'll leave it at that. If you want to keep discussing the particularities, it's cool. Just hit my inbox.

>Copped it yesterday, and shit is definitely dope. Only
>listened to once all the way through so far, and while I enjoy
>it, I don't necessarilly hear anything game changing or genre
>redefining. Gotta listen to it a few more times, but at first
>listen I'm not sure if it will crack my 10 best hip-hop albums
>of the year.

....cuz I hear a good album, but you got people super-hyped and excited up in here and especially in regards to JJ's production, you all REALLY put his beats on this on par with Three Piece Puzzle/Beat Journey/Craft of the Lost Art/Fauna? Really??

As for DOOM, as a fanboy, yes, it warms my heart hearing new verses from him and I agree with other posters that after repeated listens, the references and lines start to impress more, but I'm not hearing DOOMDSAY/MM FOOD/MADVILLAIN-level DOOM on this.

I don't know, I wanna be excited like everyone else lol, I came into this with complete anticipation and open ears! :/

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there's certified heat. never said it was jj's best but it's what i wanted for doom

lyrically man.... lyrically. *sigh*
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You really gotta go back to KMD, specifically Black Bastards where the seeds of Doom were born. What A Niggy Know remix. You see as much as Doom is/was a character, it was born out of a man's real life experiences. He wrote some of Doomsday in jail. Not as a character created but as the character he was becoming. Doomsday was an underground classic, which didn't rise to it's current level of fame until later. Madvillain really established Doom as a character. VV was an alternate character. He took the character he had become and further fictionalized it to be an actual 'character' not just of himself. Since then he's been pushing that and that's where most o f the fandom came from. The mask and all of that made the who is doom trivial in a sense. It eventually became so far that people dissociated anything that was actually him from the character. On this album right here though he brings it all back This is the Doom that he became not just the creation. And because of that the lyrics have a personal level of umph people like me that have been waiting for doomsday doom to come back can't be anything but pleased with. This is him raw as fuck, and keeping it real. Reality is a tough pill and he's spitting it like nobodies biz.
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I do like the more personal angle.

Random: "Wash Your Hands" is perfect.

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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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Enjoyed JJ's raps on here, too, which I haven't so much in the past.

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The production just seem really dull in comparison to KTTK. I wouldn't say this is as good as Madvillainy right now but it does feel like a pseudo sequel to it sound-wise, Guv'nor even has that Accordion vibe to start off the album.

And in what might be a XXL exclusive, beccause “to this day it’s favorite hip-hop magazine,” DOOM revealed murky details about another unannounced album.

Due to label constraints he could only say, “Let’s put it like this: I’m doing some work with a New York sty2le producer, right. Someone who produced mad hits and shit. Hardcore hits. Shit that―it’s totally unexpected but I’m not going to reveal it at this time.” After a little more prying, “Can I give a hint? Ugh, I would say―nah! I can’t even give a hint. New York hit-maker! ‘90s, and it’s not Primo. Try to figure it out.”

“The concept is based around the end of the world. 2012. The Mayan calendar. I’m making fun of it from a DOOM point of view. At one point in a song, DOOM talks about throwing a three-day rave in the middle of the park. 2013 is going to be when we’re counting the cash off this whole end of the world shit. The album is going to show that the world is what we make it, yo. If you don’t want to see a 2013, a 2014, or a 2015, then you won’t. Calm down, it ain’t that critical.”

Pete and DOOM had both been mentioning that they were in talks for doing an album together. Maybe it's finally happening.

Prince Paul and DOOM had also agreed to do an album together. Prince Paul got as far as recording the intro for it. The concept, as DOOM describes it, sounds like something Prince Paul would be involved with.

yeh either would be great! id be more excited for a pete rock/doom record than the new madvil... well ghostface album

I cannot stop playing this album over and over and over and over and over.

can someone explain what the woman at the end of 'Winter Blues' is talking about with getting in touch with our melanin?


- Melanon

http://www.xxlmag.com/features/2012/08/doom-back-like-that-online-exclusive-feature-story/

The Voyager spacecraft carry golden records that contain the sights and sounds that best depict life, as we know it. If aliens were ever to receive them, it would be like cycling through a ‘70s version of Google. Had the spacecraft been launched today, one DOOM album might have done the job. And they certainly wouldn’t just listen to it once.

Hip-hop for all its glitter, capitalist tendencies, and militant roots, has been something of a musical Wikipedia. Not only do its lyrics circumnavigate the pop culture sphere, it presents our media exploits in sampled snippets of forgotten records, overlooked joints, and Kung Fu shenanigans. No man, or supervillain, has contributed more to this musical collage than Daniel Dumile better known as DOOM, whose schizophrenic production was born in the days of KMD. “Not your traditional hip-hop shit,” asserts the masked rapper.

His most recent release Key to the Kuffs, under the newly formed JJ DOOM moniker, carries on the usual DOOM torch (which might just burn green, for all we know). As a unit, JJ DOOM consists of producer/vocalist Jneiro Jarel and the masked villain, who now goes simply as DOOM, minus the “MF.” Since the group first unveiled “Banished” in February, the anticipation for Key to the Kuffs grew, and with its release last week, it certainly doesn’t disappoints. The album operates in a chrome sullenness that hasn’t come out of DOOM since his days as Viktor Vaughn. Although the MC didn’t set out to build off his criminally underrated Vaudeville Villain, he can see how the two projects could be fraternal twins as he considers Jneiro Jarel “one of his brothers.” Asked if he could picture his latest musical partner being part of a potential Vaudeville Villain 3, DOOM roared, “Oh, definitely,” DOOM told XXLMag.com. “Once you put it in the air, someone’s going to come up with a budget. All I need is a budget, and I get busy.” The man certainly has done so, working on the album for the past two years despite being forced to live away from his family. Although he was raised before the boom bap years of hip-hop in Long Island, New York, a recent passport mishap clipped his wings, and had him grounded in London.

If Born Like This consisted of DOOM’s nightmares, Key to the Kuffs is his plasma. Not blood plasma, because villains don’t bleed, but the kind of plasma stars are made of. While Dumile has been through worse, tracks like “Winter Blues” bring insight into his current state of seclusion. The space age reverbs provided by Jarel must do the bleeding for DOOM, who “only needs one warm hug to keep from turning off.” He laments, “I need a handful of melanin/ Feelin’ like the lambs wool beard on your tender skin/ Eat’er up like a Snack well/ We could live forever like Henrietta Lacks’ cells.” Who would have known that the mad villain’s kryptonite was love?

Ultimately though it’s his patented humor that cuts like a light saber which keeps DOOM going. According to the MC, hip-hop has lost its humor over the years. “Everyone is trying to follow the next guy. Somehow it just turned into straight gansta shit,” DOOM told shared with XXL. “It’s supposedly―quote, unquote―gansta music, so everybody is trying to out-gansta the next guy. Testosterone fest is what I call it.” Though he admits that some MCs can keep gangster rap funny and upbeat in their own way, hip-hop has ultimately turned into a “circle jerk.” “Everybody talking about killing everybody, comes off as unrealistic.” Although he wears his villain persona like he wears his metal mask, he confirms that he’s “never murdered one nigga in a whole record.” Though some of his bitter fans that got duped in the past by his concert stand-in’s, might think DOOM could care less of how he comes off, that couldn’t be further from the truth. “You have to be conscious of what you’re putting out to the public and who’s hearing it,” says the Villain. “Because the children are hearing this!”

He went on to praise the work of another MC. “That’s why I respect Masta Ace; how he came with his record ,” which saw DOOM sign off on his Special Herbs beats for Ace’s use. “That brotha…very creative. When he came to me with that idea, that concept―I’m like, ‘Yeah, yo. Ace is on it.’”

In terms of collaboration, MF goes about it in Wild West fashion. No Twitter, no “my person will call your person” merrymaking. He says, “It’s hard to get at me,” he says. “Especially back then, in the days of Doomsday, people would have to find me the hard way. You know, it’s like the streets. Just like the streets.” If Key to the Kuffs seems like the placenta leftover from Madvillainy’s birth, it might be because working with JJ turned out to be very much like fraternizing with Madlib. Although, working with Jneiro Jarel was a little less of a “telepathic” process than it was with the Beat Konducta, the two work off each other well. Their friendship also picked up steam when they ran into each other years ago in L.A, after collaborating on a Shapes of Broad Minds track. “I was working on the Madvillain record, and we got mutual friends out there, so we would all be kickin’ it, talking about beats and equipment and shit. So I had more of a chance to hear his style, to hear his music and get to know him. We became friends.”

Although another collaboration with Jneiro Jarel seems certain for the future, DOOM has too much on his plate at the moment. Once having said that he has 100 albums in him, it seems the former Zev Love X is getting overwhelmed, if at least a bit. “I have so many starting points, I have to be careful,” DOOM explains. I have to, like, put in an order, or else I’ll get lost in it. And one will ever get anything from me ever again; you’ll have the Super Villain going in circles.” He certainly seems to have no time to brush up on his contemporaries. When asked if he respected label mate Homeboy Sandman and the tour-de-force that is Action Bronson, for their humored hip-hop, he simply said, “Never heard of them. I don’t get a chance to listen to new stuff.” He did have nothing but praise for BDP’s Criminal Minded.

Since his mind seems always in the music, he quickly diverted back to talking about his slate of upcoming projects. “The second Madvillain album is almost done―it’s coming out ill,” he revealed. “That’ll be done this year.” Though the word “done” seems to be a relative term for the prolific MC. “Then it’ll be DOOMSTARKS―I know everybody’s been waiting for that on,” he offered. “I just kicked it with DOOMSTARKS in Australia for five days. We worked on a lot of little odds and ends, we’ll be wrapping up on that one soon too.” And in what might be a XXL exclusive, because “to this day it’s favorite hip-hop magazine,” DOOM revealed murky details about another unannounced album.

Due to label constraints he could only say, “Let’s put it like this: I’m doing some work with a New York style producer, right. Someone who produced mad hits and shit,” he said. “Hardcore hits. Shit that―it’s totally unexpected but I’m not going to reveal it at this time.” After a little more prying, “Can I give a hint? Ugh, I would say―nah! I can’t even give a hint. New York hit-maker! ‘90s, and it’s not Primo. Try to figure it out.”

“The concept is based around the end of the world. 2012,” DOOM explained. “The Mayan calendar. I’m making fun of it from a DOOM point of view. At one point in a song, DOOM talks about throwing a three-day rave in the middle of the park. 2013 is going to be when we’re counting the cash off this whole end of the world shit. The album is going to show that the world is what we make it, yo. If you don’t want to see a 2013, a 2014, or a 2015, then you won’t. Calm down, it ain’t that critical.”

Abandoning the testosterone fest, copping Key to the Kuffs, and figuring out what ‘90s hit maker he’s secretly collaborating with, are definitely much more critical. Who knows, 2012 might spell doomsday after all. Might as well go out a DOOM fan.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.17658/title.young-guru-talks-just-blaze-mf-doom-album-statik-selektah

That would be sick tho, if it happened.

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GONNA BE FUCKIN BEAUTIFUL IN THE WINTER SON!!
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A PHASE!!

It takes a focused listen to get the whole
sound

And Doom spitting on this...great project, glad
I bought it.

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You may like them more or whatever, but sorry Doom spat better in 2012, hence ethering e'rybody.
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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

nas probably does want those shitty beats.

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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

We'd really be mad at Nas if he chose those beats.

This shit aged amazingly

It's better than Mouse & the Mask, and Born Like This

I can and can't believe I wasn't feeling it. Even made me revisit 3 Piece Puzzle which the first half is still JESUCRISTO

I been on a DOOM binge for a week

And I'm even beginning to think OD is better than MV now

DOOM is in my personal top 5

Everyone should go revisit Keys to the Kuffs

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/thursday-throwbacks/id1223790452?mt=2

selection number 8 here

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I remember sort of thinking it was okay.


What makes ya think O:D is better than MV?

MV still so incredible to me, DOOM also in my personal top 5.

He bumped someone out of my top 5 over the last 5 years.

Keys better than Mask to me right now

I'm still on the fence about the first statement though.

Why ya think Operation better than MV?
Just curious.
I love Operation as well.

We need to get out of the mentality that everything new is either the worst thing ever, or the best thing ever. Something can be good (even very good) and still not be the best ever.

>We need to get out of the mentality that everything new is
>either the worst thing ever, or the best thing ever. Something
>can be good (even very good) and still not be the best ever.

Lol

Overreact much?

He didn't say it was the best ever

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>And I'm even beginning to think OD is better than MV now

in 2004, five years after it's release, after MV, Geedorah, and the Vaudeville joint...

DOOM 12 inches got love here and there from the heads I listened to rap with back then, and we caught his wave right into MV. The execution/culmination of that album felt perfect, especially with how I felt about underground and mainstream rap at the time: aka it sucked.

so DOOM on OD felt "unpolished," which is ironic, cause his sound is dirty as fuck in general.

but over the years my love for Operation DOOMSDay has only grown. He was honest, vulnerable, vivid, and just technically masterful in how he constructed the rhymes, and IMO the most "authentic" version of the character Dumile raps through.

OD feels like an album spawned out of a very real depression related to Dumile's life events and environments. He raps like he crawling out of it through his music, and it feels like the rawest of poetry to me.

MV is Dumile owning and knowing how to perform the Villian. It's wonderful rap music to this day, but revisiting OD recontextualized how Dumile crafts the character of DOOM through the lyrics/music.

Low-key it's why I upp'd this post. As I've been rereading the hell out of two novels I'm teaching my students, it's made me realize how much we can gloss over very important details, as lovers of art, when we first interact with some thing.

I was listening to other shit when JJ DOOM dropped, had reshaped my audio tastes, had an idea of what I wanted a DOOM record to sound like, shit he hadn't given us a thing since 2009's Born Like This. As my old replies shows, I gave the album two or three quick run throughs and moved onto what I wanted to listen to.

But listening to it on its own terms 5 yrs after the fact, JJ DOOM sounds so refreshing in sound, and DOOM is spitting ridiculoid bars, not his purposefully silly bars of DangerDOOM. It feels like the old hungry villain, but on a new sup'd up space craft.

ok, I'm done.

so my perception of it is a little different from yours. personally i find the last half to be a bit of a drag. there are some real clunkers in there and it kind of picks up towards the end but not really. i'm with you on the following points though:

> IMO the most
>"authentic" version of the character Dumile raps through.
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>OD feels like an album spawned out of a very real depression
>related to Dumile's life events and environments. He raps like
>he crawling out of it through his music, and it feels like the
>rawest of poetry to me.
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>MV is Dumile owning and knowing how to perform the Villian.
>It's wonderful rap music to this day, but revisiting OD
>recontextualized how Dumile crafts the character of DOOM
>through the lyrics/music.

very well-observed. all of these were facets of the album evident to me when i first listened to it. there's definitely something raw and vulnerable about OD that's missing from his other albums (there's a little of it on /born like this/), and it must have been a great context provider for someone like yourself who came to it after listening to his mid-career albums

contrary to my handle, i haven't really listened to Doom in years

vaudeville villian might be dumile's best album in terms of rapping, breh was SPITTING on that one.

but Key to the cuffs is NOT better than Dangerdoom, hell nah

I hadn't listened to DOOM in a minute too, AND fuck his catalogue so deep... so many dope cuts. he'll forever be a favorite

http://ambrosiaforheads.com/2017/04/mf-doom-black-thought-dangerdoom/

did it not fit with the album?

definitely due for a revisit