Supposedly gives a good interview in the June issue
I haven't peeped yet...only heard quotes.
Kinda surprised okp's not on this considering the subject.

They talking about it on the org but no one has put it up yet
I thought one of the okp fans would have been all over this
It's surprisingly quiet

So far I know he talks about the million dollar deal Clive pulledafter the wreck
Irving Azoff paying out his own pocket for rehab
He sobered up after Dilla passed
The crushing the streets for ho's was chalked up to a bad decision...whatever the fuck that means..lol

I'm happy to see he's slowly but surely coming out of the woodworks.

After that Testament nonsense I think OKpers are just waiting on the album.

Hopefully we will see more of him and things will start rolling.

that's a good sign.

There's supposedly a quote from an org-er who stressed the concern that it will be 2000 all over again and he says his mind is in the right place.

As far as the record there's speculation that the label wants it by September so that it will be considered for the Grammies but who gives a fuck about a god damn Grammy!!

And LOL at the tranny comment!!

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don't know what it will take for this dude to wake the fuck up
ya know its bad news when janice g calls him out on his shit lol
does he need another marvin dream to tell him to release this record?
how about the ghost of rick james to slap the shit out of him?

>ya know its bad news when janice g calls him out on his shit
>lol
>does he need another marvin dream to tell him to release this
>record?
>how about the ghost of rick james to slap the shit out of him?

What the blood claaat ???

but I did skim a few lines and paragraphs while I was scanning it. So those of you who *have* read it... Did they actually uncritically print ?uest's quote about D playing guitar like Zappa?

Or did they at least question that in the section where they apparently described some of the European shows?

.........Questlove who compares D to Frank Zappa

"He can play the shit out of it and I dont mean no Lil Wayne shit."

this guitar revelation has him up in arms.
maybe the zappa comparisons are blasphemy in the eyes of most.
but the first night of recordings i snuck in the room of him practicing
and watched him do "maggot brain" note for note.
(he can also do 1983/Merman too)

but when it came to europe he *kanye shrug* held back.

that was my only "WTF!!!??!?" moment, like why aren't you showing mofos that maverick shit i seen.


my only guess is playing guitar is his new "2000 untitled body" and just like having the perfect physique destroyed him and backfired. i feel like he is fighting his guitar god knowledge tooth and nail.

like i know it sounds funny and I'm not doing this on some "ahhh he making me look bad and shit!"/boy who called wolf scenario....

but him playing guitar the way he was in europe was some psychological shit i can't explain yo.


i went through that shit....member my initial weight loss of 2001? a year into that shit in which you are so not ready for the mindfuck shock of what comes your way (especially when you are in the rock star lane...) that shit is scary. i literally was like "dude i wanna be fat again"---like i did not know how to handle free gucci suits not tailor made, and upgrading women to levels y'all would not believe.---i wasn't mentally prepared for the transformation and in fear of it makes you wanna go back to what you know.

thats like chicks who stay with abusive dudes.

this is a dude who did NOTHING but practice guitar 10 years straight.

i know what i saw. HE don't know what i saw.

cause once i called him out on it he was literally getting mad like i violated.


I'm like dude share your gift! you are the new black guitar god.


he doesn't want it.


he literally talked himself out of that solo on SDMF in holland. i was mad as shit.

i know what i know.

dude was showing y'all 15% of his power.


he is a guitar god yo. he just don't know how to deal.


*shrug*

and this is going on how many years now?

nect you gonna hear stories of D'angelo channeling Michael J Fox and he can really go black to the Future??

What the blood claaat ???

Serously...Who in the fuck holds back from playing the guitar?

And any old school cat can play maggot brain note for note bro
This ex crackhead/bum I know who swears up and down he was in the ADC band claims he can. LOL

>And any old school cat can play maggot brain note for note
>bro
>This ex crackhead/bum I know who swears up and down he was in
>the ADC band claims he can. LOL

was there meant to be an eddie van halen-type solo in the middle of when we get by? ive not heard all the new songs but dangelos playing sounded either a bit scrappy or a bit on the corny 'funk-rocking out' side.

if he really is on some 'i dont want the attention' thing, and is holding back because of that, maybe he needs to find a new therapist. i cant think of one musician who doesnt want to show what they can do, even the shy ones. musicians who dont like what they CANT do, yeah, but not those purposely holding back, unless its just for the benefit of the material.

my gut feeling is just that as good a musician as he is, dangelo isnt the virtuoso he was made out to be. i feel sorry for the guy. victim of the hype machine.

i get it.

you invested in him. and he robbed you. he literally robbed you like the 3 leg dude in a relay race who drops baton. all he had to do was carry baton.

i aint coming here defending him and shit. I'm just telling you i know what i saw.

yeah, I'm mad as shit I'm sounding like michael jackson tryna convince his brothers he saw mommy kissing santa claus. or crying wolf.

im not mad at y'all.

he robbed y'all of memories and years.

bash away.

It's all in fun holmes
(kinda)
I'm mad at my generation for dropping the ball
They had the chance to change the direction in music and culture
And frigging BLEW it!!!

and how it prob isnt that kind to artists who dont easily fit...

i think the basic answer is more that dangelo, lauryn, etc, they just got uninspired

the movement that gave them so much momentum, ie hip hop culture, basically died, and without that, they no longer had the rudder they needed

and then they fell off

obv the way hip hop died meant that artists like them were less welcome but i think equally, or more than that, its that they just didnt have much to inspire them anymore, nothing 'real' or 'current' that they could feed off

im not goin out my mind cause them 50 songs they talking about? i heard em. friggin 8 of em are fucki---

man i can't do this no more.

you know the drill.

>im not goin out my mind cause them 50 songs they talking
>about? i heard em. friggin 8 of em are fucki---
>
>man i can't do this no more.
>
>you know the drill.


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thanks in advance

Haha, watch not one of them end up on the album though. A bit of a shame that he's going to limit the album to just 12 songs or so roughly though instead of going all out with a double album or something fly as a mutha. Is it pretty safe to assume that if a song doesn't end up on the album, we ain't gonna hear it until a decade later?

... D to include "Another Life" on the upcoming album. If that song is missing from the tracklisting- THAT will be blasphemy.

Over the guitar issue, people need to get the hell over themselves and the issue. As long as the brotha is making good quality music... fall back. I would love to see all these "critics" have every aspect of their lives picked apart and analyzed to death. Music fans can be unreal sometimes.

>im not goin out my mind cause them 50 songs they talking
>about? i heard em. friggin 8 of em are fucki---
>
>man i can't do this no more.
>
>you know the drill.

Yo Quest,

Since this post, we've heard about 5 new songs being Charade, Ain't that easy, Anoher life, Sugah daddy and Really love. To put things in perspective, when you say 8 songs are fucking amazing (assuming that's what you wanted to say), were you refering to some of those tracks? Or is that something we've yet to hear?

Obviously trying to manage expectations for whatever's coming... ;)

>Serously...Who in the fuck holds back from playing the
>guitar?
>
>And any old school cat can play maggot brain note for note
>bro
>This ex crackhead/bum I know who swears up and down he was in
>the ADC band claims he can. LOL
>

.......i haven't heard in years lol !!!

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R.I.P Jamie Hubley

He has missing teeth so maybe he means the abc band LOL

Real talk every black guitar player coming up had to know maggot brain
That's how Mike Hampton got his gig at 16
It ain't no big thing knowing that song
If he can do Blackbyrd's "quickie" solo then he's saying something

D'angelo about as deep on Guitar as Eddie Murphy is. "i was a King" if a turkey could play "Maggot Brain" it still wouldn't blow folks away as the thought of him actually making a memroable song and album how about that?

Yeah man..the genius cats tend to have either that Kanye boldness or that Marvin shyness. There's no real middle ground. But once D gets into that zone and black out..he's gonna shock a lot of cats (and I'm looking forward to it). One of my closest friends "B'Nai"..(who used to play with Martin Luther and currently plays with The Coup) is the exact same way. I'm already knowing what D can do..(and have yet to really hear him get down on the axe), and he got some tricks up his sleeve. He was shaking off the rust in Europe and he's gonna bring it..on D's time; not ours.

If you can Questo, try to convince D to go full-on Eddie Hazel and run a straightening comb through his wig. I saw shades of Eddie Hazel with his get-up and it looked dope! Either that, or go Rick James with the braids (circa Bustin Out era). And if he goes all out with the make-up and eyeliner in the States (sorta like he did in Europe), don't bash him America; especially you grown and sexy folks over here. It's a funk thing and that's what he's on. Free your mind and (you know the rest..)

"If you can Questo, try to convince D to go full-on Eddie Hazel and run a straightening comb through his wig. I saw shades of Eddie Hazel with his get-up and it looked dope! Either that, or go Rick James with the braids (circa Bustin Out era). And if he goes all out with the make-up and eyeliner in the States (sorta like he did in Europe), don't bash him America; especially you grown and sexy folks over here. It's a funk thing and that's what he's on. Free your mind and (you know the rest..)"

I don't care what anybody on here (who wasn't there and might've seen some YouTube clips) says. He did show some of it when he went into a zone w/ Jesse. Only the third night though.

particularly the whole business around "Untitled" and how it was supposed to be about "home cookin'".

>but I did skim a few lines and paragraphs while I was
>scanning it. So those of you who *have* read it... Did they
>actually uncritically print ?uest's quote about D playing
>guitar like Zappa?

yes they did.

>Or did they at least question that in the section where they
>apparently described some of the European shows?

no, they did not. they didn't even mention it at all.

reading this I got the impression of "the legend of D'Angelo" being rebuilt. not too much we haven't heard before, but some of it is actually funny.

interesting sidebar about the (comparatively) lack of success Neo-Soul had. Interesting because they basically acknowledged Maxwell and Badu "won", Lauryn lost, and ....Common was considered part of the fold.

His whole religion/church/marvin thing always leaves me with a c'mon son feeling

I found the Chris Rock quote about him and the rest of my generation's losers quite amusing.

sad but true.

>particularly the whole business around "Untitled" and how it
>was supposed to be about "home cookin'".

LOL between this and revolution75's comment about Chris Rock's quote, I gotta read this later today!

>particularly the whole business around "Untitled" and how it
>was supposed to be about "home cookin'".

......on my table and had a good laugh.


>
>reading this I got the impression of "the legend of D'Angelo"
>being rebuilt. not too much we haven't heard before, but some
>of it is actually funny.
>
>interesting sidebar about the (comparatively) lack of success
>Neo-Soul had. Interesting because they basically acknowledged
>Maxwell and Badu "won", Lauryn lost, and ....Common was
>considered part of the fold.
>
>

Right.


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well, maybe the reason the minions 'don't understand' is that nothing in that song's lyrics even remotely suggest collard greens nor does the decidedly 'P90X>>>Sweet Potatoes' semi-nude close-up come-ons of the visuals he prodided?

Now, maybe evoking that thought in D's mind was the way you were able to bring about that performance on camera but please, don't blame us for missing something that was never hinted at on record or film.

>
>Now, maybe evoking that thought in D's mind was the way you
>were able to bring about that performance on camera but
>please, don't blame us for missing something that was never
>hinted at on record or film.


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>but I did skim a few lines and paragraphs while I was
>scanning it. So those of you who *have* read it... Did they
>actually uncritically print ?uest's quote about D playing
>guitar like Zappa?
>
>Or did they at least question that in the section where they
>apparently described some of the European shows?
>
>

Uncritically. Did question the quote, whatsoever. I'm kinda scared for D, now that the quite is in print. *underpressure*.


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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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but I am extremely concerned about all this renewed D myth-making... Like, who decided that his entire career was going to be about building a legend around him that he will probably never live up to?

Dude should just make music and let it speak for itself.... because up to this point, too much of the D'Angelo legend has been based on words and wishes.

Instead of us comparing him to Zappa, the lesson he needs to take from Zappa is http://bit.ly/L8pGCZ

D should focus on being D...not Marvin or Prince.

He's mentioned but she didn't go THERE

And has someone told D we ALL have dreams about our idols??

I dreamed I was at a Chuck Brown show and he shouted me out
I'm packing my bags and moving to DC dammit cuz I'm the next in line
GTFOH!!!

>He's mentioned but she didn't go THERE
>
>And has someone told D we ALL have dreams about our idols??
>
>I dreamed I was at a Chuck Brown show and he shouted me out
>I'm packing my bags and moving to DC dammit cuz I'm the next
>in line
>GTFOH!!!
>
>

.......that he was in this white rundown house, and the window was opened. And i heard this music, and ended up climbing up a ladder, that led to the window where i kept hearing the groove of "Africa" being played in a loop. Once i climbed in the window, i saw dude sitting indian style on the floor, and there was all this recording equipment. And he looked up, as i was coming through the window. I was,like yo'D !!!! And he just smiled. And i remember asking,"why is it taking you so long to drop this album, man". And he just smiled and said, you want to hear some of it ? I was like,"hell yes", that's when my ass woke up. I was pissed, too. lol !!! I guess i was so hyped for this album, that i was possessed by it, before i held a copy in my hand. Crazy shit.


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What the blood claaat ???

I know,the shit was wild lol !! I laugh about that dream, till this day.


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largely because I can see D'Angelo doing that shit

>but I am extremely concerned about all this renewed D
>myth-making... Like, who decided that his entire career was
>going to be about building a legend around him that he will
>probably never live up to?
>
>Dude should just make music and let it speak for itself....
>because up to this point, too much of the D'Angelo legend has
>been based on words and wishes.
>
>Instead of us comparing him to Zappa, the lesson he needs to
>take from Zappa is http://bit.ly/L8pGCZ

Just the thought had me busting out laughing

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That was a good read.

c'mon, ppl.

stop it.

Few things that caught my attention:


-Reading the article reminded me of how his label was trying to mold him into this modern day R&B sex symbol so much so that they dissed Angie Stone because she didn't "fit" the ideal image of what someone like him was supposed to be with

-I've read and heard others draw the parallel btw he and Marvin Gaye and I knew D'angelo has always felt this bizarre kinship to Marvin beyond just music but never read or heard it went so deep that his mother had to take him to see a therapist because of it

-Funny he once had to check Madonna for being rude

-That mofo ballooned up 300 lbs!!!!!!

-Never knew that some music's heavyweights (Eric Clapton and George Clinton to name a few) felt that way abt his music

and lastly, Questlove's quote abt what he said to D'angelo abt depriving listeners of his gift sums it up for many ppl waiting for another cd and have done so patiently for *11 years* and counting...

"This eleven year" freeze must end, not just for the artist's sake, but for the culture's. "I've told him: He is literally holding the oxygen supply that music lovers breathe." At first, it was cute - 'Oh, he's bashful.' But now he's, like, selfish. I'm like, look dude, we're starving.' When D starts singing, all is right with the world."


And Questlove stating that he doesn't mind being on "D-time" because as he said he feels "D'angelo is literally "the last pure african-american artist left" stood out for me as well.

>And Questlove stating that he doesn't mind being on "D-time"
>because as he said he feels "D'angelo is literally "the last
>pure african-american artist left" stood out for me as well.

hey, that's Questo's opinion and he's entitled to it - I certainly would take his opinion on music and artists before yours...just saying

and it ain't like theirs a lot of "pure artists" these days anyway irrespective of race


>>And Questlove stating that he doesn't mind being on
>"D-time"
>>because as he said he feels "D'angelo is literally "the last
>>pure african-american artist left" stood out for me as well.
>

>hey, that's Questo's opinion and he's entitled to it - I
>certainly would take his opinion on music and artists before
>yours...just saying
>
>and it ain't like theirs a lot of "pure artists" these days
>anyway irrespective of race
>
>
>>>And Questlove stating that he doesn't mind being on
>>"D-time"
>>>because as he said he feels "D'angelo is literally "the
>last
>>>pure african-american artist left" stood out for me as
>well.
>>
>

give in to the whims of popular culture when it comes to their art. Today's artist tend to gravitate towards whatever trend is hot and many of them don't use music as a means for self expression but as a route to material gains.

As this pertains to D'angelo, this was something the article briefly touched on concerning 'VooDoo.' Many fans and music insiders felt his follow up to 'Brown Sugar' was way overdue for someone who had such a successful debut but he released it when he was ready...and wasn't swayed by ppl clamoring for a quick album release.



>>hey, that's Questo's opinion and he's entitled to it - I
>>certainly would take his opinion on music and artists before
>>yours...just saying
>>
>>and it ain't like theirs a lot of "pure artists" these days
>>anyway irrespective of race
>>
>>
>>>>And Questlove stating that he doesn't mind being on
>>>"D-time"
>>>>because as he said he feels "D'angelo is literally "the
>>last
>>>>pure african-american artist left" stood out for me as
>>well.
>>>
>>
>

working today who are "purer" artists than D'Angelo... even using your definition (which I find problematic to begin with)

There are loads of African-American independent R&B and soul musicians, rock musicians... there are musicians without record deals who play live every night... there are folk musicians...

But D'Angelo--a guy who has barely played music at all in over a decade--is the only pure African American artist?

LOL I swear... some people will swallow anything, as long as someone "hip" and "famous" says it. Which, like I said, is part of the problem. People don't even care about "pure" art... they care about following "hip" celebrities.

>working today who are "purer" artists than D'Angelo... even
>using your definition (which I find problematic to begin
>with)
>
>There are loads of African-American independent R&B and soul
>musicians, rock musicians... there are musicians without
>record deals who play live every night... there are folk
>musicians...
>
>But D'Angelo--a guy who has barely played music at all in over
>a decade--is the only pure African American artist?
>
>LOL I swear... some people will swallow anything, as long as
>someone "hip" and "famous" says it. Which, like I said, is
>part of the problem. People don't even care about "pure"
>art... they care about following "hip" celebrities.


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R.I.P Jamie Hubley

in actuality you invariably miss the point and end up sounding more stupid than you really are...


>working today who are "purer" artists than D'Angelo... even
>using your definition (which I find problematic to begin
>with)
>
>There are loads of African-American independent R&B and soul
>musicians, rock musicians... there are musicians without
>record deals who play live every night... there are folk
>musicians...

I mean seriously?!?! did you think you were actually making a good point pertaining to this topic when you typed it??

let explain to you why that is: jazz artists can afford to be "pure" w/their art because there's no market demand for jazz music, therefore, unlike r&B and HipHop artists, jazz artists can make music freely w/o label execs trying to micro manage their music output because jazz doesn't mean much if anything to their bottom line.

And as far as independent artists, the fact that they're independent allows them to be 'free' sort of speak when it comes to their music LOL. To be a pure artist when you're D'angelo means a lot more when when you factor in the fact that he's on a major label who have demands and millions of dollars riding on his success (or failure).
>
>But D'Angelo--a guy who has barely played music at all in over
>a decade--is the only pure African American artist?

that's what he said...
>
>LOL I swear... some people will swallow anything, as long as
>someone "hip" and "famous" says it. Which, like I said, is
>part of the problem. People don't even care about "pure"
>art... they care about following "hip" celebrities.

this has nothing to do, you idiot, w/Quest being 'famous' lol...I accept his opinion abt what he said in reference to D'angelo because I've heard him on numerous occassions speaking abt music related topics and he always provides a unique and insightful perspective to the subject at hand.

>let explain to you why that is: jazz artists can afford to be
>"pure" w/their art because there's no market demand for jazz
>music, therefore, unlike r&B and HipHop artists, jazz artists
>can make music freely w/o label execs trying to micro manage
>their music output because jazz doesn't mean much if anything
>to their bottom line.

I guess I better go give that news to the many, many musicians who make a (good!) living playing jazz, and to the jazz-oriented labels like GRP and Verve that have managed to sustain themselves longer than most here today/gone tomorrow "urban" labels.

>And as far as independent artists, the fact that they're
>independent allows them to be 'free' sort of speak when it
>comes to their music LOL. To be a pure artist when you're
>D'angelo means a lot more when when you factor in the fact
>that he's on a major label who have demands and millions of
>dollars riding on his success (or failure).

When was the last time he released music on a major label, though?

many non-mainstream Soul/Funk/R&B artists were making a decent living utilizing avenues other than mainstream .....you dismissed that idea....

yet there are Black Jazz artists still making it on the grind???

come on man..

>many non-mainstream Soul/Funk/R&B artists were making a
>decent living utilizing avenues other than mainstream .....you
>dismissed that idea....

I never dismissed the idea that there was life outside the mainstream for Black artists... I dismissed the naivete of purporting that there existed an "Internet chitlin circuit" that could sustain careers without these Internet listeners actually buying records and/or concert tickets.

>yet there are Black Jazz artists still making it on the
>grind???

uh... yes. there are.

>>many non-mainstream Soul/Funk/R&B artists were making a
>>decent living utilizing avenues other than mainstream
>.....you
>>dismissed that idea....
>
>I never dismissed the idea that there was life outside the
>mainstream for Black artists... I dismissed the naivete of
>purporting that there existed an "Internet chitlin circuit"
>that could sustain careers without these Internet listeners
>actually buying records and/or concert tickets.
>

I used the term internet chittlin circuit to describe a marketing strategy that was sustaining artists outside of the mainstream current norms. I described the purpose of the internet chittlin circuit as being away for those artists to be heard and market the product outside of the narrowed down mainstream...for the purposes of getting their music heard...ie. going to concerts and buying records.

nobody ever said that the marketing technique described was a direct means for revenue....but an alternative route in a climate where only certain types of "artists" are availed mainstream marketing opportunities.


bottom line is that there are tons of artists making soul, funk, R&B and jazz who are making really solid music and making a decent living using other than mainstream avenues to promote their work.

You argued against that concept previously yet now you embrace it to try and diss D'Angelo.... lol..

song remains the same player.



>>yet there are Black Jazz artists still making it on the
>>grind???
>
>uh... yes. there are.

right...I been told you so...lol.

>I used the term internet chittlin circuit to describe a
>marketing strategy that was sustaining artists outside of the
>mainstream current norms. I described the purpose of the
>internet chittlin circuit as being away for those artists to
>be heard and market the product outside of the narrowed down
>mainstream...for the purposes of getting their music
>heard...ie. going to concerts and buying records.

You couldn't tell me how many dollars you actually contributed to supporting these artists' careers, but ventured that you supported them by "spreading the word." And I asked you how many people like you thought they were actually supporting the artist by "spreading the word" and how does that help the artist who actually has to SELL to survive?

And your notion that I suggested there was no life outside the mainstream is ridiculous because (and I pointed this out even back then): I myself run a non-mainstream music business that was grown via Internet buzz, but has succeeded only because *my audience actually buys my shit*! However--and if I recall, this was essentially my thesis statement--that "Internet buzz" on its own is pretty worthless unless real dollars are being invested into supporting the artists, and way too many people think that circulating links equals actual support.

>bottom line is that there are tons of artists making soul,
>funk, R&B and jazz who are making really solid music and
>making a decent living using other than mainstream avenues to
>promote their work.
>
>You argued against that concept previously yet now you embrace
>it to try and diss D'Angelo.... lol..

I never argued against that concept and I didn't use it to diss D'Angelo either. I ridiculed vee-lover's (false) claim that there is no market for jazz. But I guess anybody who disagrees with a D'Angelo stan on *any* subject is automatically dissing D'Angelo smh

>>I used the term internet chittlin circuit to describe a
>>marketing strategy that was sustaining artists outside of
>the
>>mainstream current norms. I described the purpose of the
>>internet chittlin circuit as being away for those artists to
>>be heard and market the product outside of the narrowed down
>>mainstream...for the purposes of getting their music
>>heard...ie. going to concerts and buying records.
>
>You couldn't tell me how many dollars you actually contributed
>to supporting these artists' careers, but ventured that you
>supported them by "spreading the word." And I asked you how
>many people like you thought they were actually supporting the
>artist by "spreading the word" and how does that help the
>artist who actually has to SELL to survive?


So all of these artists like Rahsaan Patterson or SBTRKT or Amp Fiddler or Jose James or even classic artists like LJ Reynolds.... all those type of people are sustaining themselves without utilizing the mainstream US radio/tv or marketing means.

They are making dollars some kind of way...they are selling records...selling tickets to shows....

it's working for them...maybe it could be workig better..but they are still in the game grinding for themselves even the the industry has drasticlly changed...

you are trying to say that there are plenty of authentic jazz artists out there still making a living ...well bruh...this is how many of them are making it....Jose James, Mario Biondi, now Gregory Porter....they are all a part of what I was saying in that post.

I spend plenty on music....and fortunately for me there are places to find the music I enjoy outside of your standard current mainstream avenues....




>
>And your notion that I suggested there was no life outside the
>mainstream is ridiculous because (and I pointed this out even
>back then): I myself run a non-mainstream music business that
>was grown via Internet buzz, but has succeeded only because
>*my audience actually buys my shit*! However--and if I recall,
>this was essentially my thesis statement--that "Internet buzz"
>on its own is pretty worthless unless real dollars are being
>invested into supporting the artists, and way too many people
>think that circulating links equals actual support.

so again..all of those people I named and the others of their ilk have careers because people are buying their records and going to their shows. With the changes in the business people had to adjust or find other careers...there are plenty of artists who have found their niche and the internet has played a huge role in that...yeah I called it the internet chittlin circuit, but it's really simply about utilizng what is available to maximize your exposure...




>
>>bottom line is that there are tons of artists making soul,
>>funk, R&B and jazz who are making really solid music and
>>making a decent living using other than mainstream avenues
>to
>>promote their work.
>>
>>You argued against that concept previously yet now you
>embrace
>>it to try and diss D'Angelo.... lol..
>
>I never argued against that concept and I didn't use it to
>diss D'Angelo either. I ridiculed vee-lover's (false) claim
>that there is no market for jazz. But I guess anybody who
>disagrees with a D'Angelo stan on *any* subject is
>automatically dissing D'Angelo smh

you used current Black Jazz artists as an example of artists who are more authentic than D'Angelo and making a living on jazz labels.... Previously the idea that there were plenty of soul R&B or electronic music type of acts making a living on labels that cater to that music and using avenues that are outside the mainstream for black music was something you dimissed....

The internet chittlin circuit is promoting those jazz artists too...very much so...particularly a Jose James or a Gregory Porter...

and dude..you dissapear on these boards only to return to be the D'Angelo contrarian....so really who is the stan??? lolol.

or any online "chitlin circuit," I'll tell you that for sure.

And THAT was the crux of our disagreement... NOT about whether or not artists can survive outside of the mainstream.

>you used current Black Jazz artists as an example of artists
>who are more authentic than D'Angelo and making a living on
>jazz labels.... Previously the idea that there were plenty of
>soul R&B or electronic music type of acts making a living on
>labels that cater to that music and using avenues that are
>outside the mainstream for black music was something you
>dimissed....

Nope. I dismissed "the Internet chitlin circuit" and I still do. Especially since many of the shows you put forward as representative of your "Internet chitlin circuit" were actually primarily terrestrial even though you may exercise the option to listen to them online. And then you were citing artists like Dam-Funk--who is signed to Stones Throw, one of the biggest and most influential indie labels around, they may as well be considered a major.

I'm not gonna revisit this argument, by the way. I've said my piece and you sound crazy. Again: I run a music business that grew out of Internet buzz... does it make sense to you that I would "dismiss the idea" of non-mainstream promotion?

What I said is that there has to be some real world dollars being spent, or it is all smoke and mirrors. When you talk about an "Internet chitlin circuit," remember that in the real chitlin circuit, people BOUGHT TICKETS.

>or any online "chitlin circuit," I'll tell you that for sure.
>
>
>And THAT was the crux of our disagreement... NOT about whether
>or not artists can survive outside of the mainstream.

the internet is a means..not an end. That's been my point from the begining...I think this is just another issue where you've chosen to misrepresent what I'm saying just be be disagreeable..but then later down the line say exactly what I said before....

My only point in all of that topic was that there was a way for artists to make a living outside of the mainstream... (which is what your point was about jazz in this thread) YOU added all this misrepresentation about me claiming that the artists are making money ONLY off the internet.

the internet chittlin circuit as a vehicle for artists to make a way outside the mainstream...get heard..market to your audience and expand your audience....

it's working for a plethora of artists ....jazz artists too...

the earlier poster said that there wasn't an audience for jazz...you argued there was based on all the artists making a living and who are signed to jazz labels.... Well man, jazz is NOT prime promoted mainstream genre and those artists are utilizing the internet chittlin circuit the same way I'm talking about...Gregory Porter and Jose James again are just 2 of the many examples...



>
>>you used current Black Jazz artists as an example of artists
>>who are more authentic than D'Angelo and making a living on
>>jazz labels.... Previously the idea that there were plenty
>of
>>soul R&B or electronic music type of acts making a living on
>>labels that cater to that music and using avenues that are
>>outside the mainstream for black music was something you
>>dimissed....
>
>Nope. I dismissed "the Internet chitlin circuit" and I still
>do. Especially since many of the shows you put forward as
>representative of your "Internet chitlin circuit" were
>actually primarily terrestrial even though you may exercise
>the option to listen to them online. And then you were citing
>artists like Dam-Funk--who is signed to Stones Throw, one of
>the biggest and most influential indie labels around, they may
>as well be considered a major.
>
>I'm not gonna revisit this argument, by the way. I've said my
>piece and you sound crazy. Again: I run a music business that
>grew out of Internet buzz... does it make sense to you that I
>would "dismiss the idea" of non-mainstream promotion?

Maybe the internet chittlin circuit isn't working for the music you promote through your label...but it's certainly working for a ton of other artists...both new and old. People are buying their records...going to their shows...and you certainly aren't hearing their stuff on mainstream sources...it's internet radio..uk stations like Solar Radio or Starpoint radio...webcasts like Giles and the like.... live performances that are available on line (Jose James KCRW set from his BlackMagic album tour is a prime example)

you can move the goal posts all you want and claim stones throw is a major...you're proving my point...it's because you have an internet chittlin circuit that guys like Mayer Hawthorne, or Dam Funk or the Stepkids are ever heard by the masses...they certainly aren't getting put on through corporate owned media or tv....

the "internet chittlin circuit" made it possible for stones throw to venture into new current artists and break the likes of Dam and Mayer


>
>What I said is that there has to be some real world dollars
>being spent, or it is all smoke and mirrors. When you talk
>about an "Internet chitlin circuit," remember that in the real
>chitlin circuit, people BOUGHT TICKETS.

and all the artists I'm naming ..people are buying their tickets and their albums BECAUSE they heard them on the internet chittlin circuit.

>Maybe the internet chittlin circuit isn't working for the
>music you promote through your label...

I already told you I am quite pleased with the level of success I have achieved, despite al your wishes for the contrary. But keep hoping!

>it's internet radio..uk stations like Solar Radio or
>Starpoint radio...webcasts like Giles and the like....

Gilles is terrestrial

>you can move the goal posts all you want and claim stones
>throw is a major...you're proving my point...

I'm not proving your point at all. You're the one who moved the posts in the first place by claiming that I endorsed your point by saying that jazz musicians and other artists make a living outside the mainstream. I didn't say a damn thing about the Internet, let alone some mythical "chitlin circuit."

it's because you
>have an internet chittlin circuit that guys like Mayer
>Hawthorne, or Dam Funk or the Stepkids are ever heard by the
>masses...they certainly aren't getting put on through
>corporate owned media or tv....

Not saying the Internet didn't help them, but there are many other forms of media that artists like that have traditionally been heard: college radio, alternative mags, etc. The idea that they would have been nothing without your "chitlin circuit" is false.

>the "internet chittlin circuit" made it possible for stones
>throw to venture into new current artists and break the likes
>of Dam and Mayer

Stones Throw been putting out new, current artists since the 90s... what are you talking about?

EDIT: And what do you mean that jazz is not a "prime promoted mainstream genre" or whatever you said? Is jazz as promoted as aggressively as hip-hop or teeny pop? No... But it IS promoted. It has a presence on the Billboard charts... there are several mainstream jazz mags... It's arguable that most of the audience that supports jazz today is one of the least web-savvy demographics around. So again, the notion that jazz survives only by the grace of your "Internet chitlin circuit" is absolute rubbish.

And I will say again: the notion that I dismissed the idea that artists can survive without mainstream support is ridiculous.

>>Maybe the internet chittlin circuit isn't working for the
>>music you promote through your label...
>
>I already told you I am quite pleased with the level of
>success I have achieved, despite al your wishes for the
>contrary. But keep hoping!

you've always come across as a bitter dude who projects his failings upon others....

but I have no wishes for anyone to fail... In fact I think I may have downloaded a compilation that was on your label...not sure..I'll have to check...but it was probably pretty good..

no ill will player... You took this so-called beef way way way too personal... lighten up my nigga... this a message board...Warren Coolidge don't give a fukk what you do.

best of luck with all that shit....


>
>>it's internet radio..uk stations like Solar Radio or
>>Starpoint radio...webcasts like Giles and the like....
>
>Gilles is terrestrial

lol... your average music purchaser in the US doesn't know giles petersen... He's not part of the current mainstream at all..




>>you can move the goal posts all you want and claim stones
>>throw is a major...you're proving my point...
>
>I'm not proving your point at all. You're the one who moved
>the posts in the first place by claiming that I endorsed your
>point by saying that jazz musicians and other artists make a
>living outside the mainstream. I didn't say a damn thing about
>the Internet, let alone some mythical "chitlin circuit."
>
>it's because you
>>have an internet chittlin circuit that guys like Mayer
>>Hawthorne, or Dam Funk or the Stepkids are ever heard by the
>>masses...they certainly aren't getting put on through
>>corporate owned media or tv....
>
>Not saying the Internet didn't help them,

you wouldn't know who those guys were without it. Period.


but there are many
>other forms of media that artists like that have traditionally
>been heard: college radio, alternative mags, etc.

yeah..but that's not how those specific artists I mentioned got heard...right today it's about what I called the Internet chittlin circuit....


The idea
>that they would have been nothing without your "chitlin
>circuit" is false.

the reality is that those people are known because they took a very specific route....they aren't known becasue of college radio or no damn magazines....lol.. deal in the reality player



>
>>the "internet chittlin circuit" made it possible for stones
>>throw to venture into new current artists and break the
>likes
>>of Dam and Mayer
>
>Stones Throw been putting out new, current artists since the
>90s... what are you talking about?

not that where breaking on the scene doing the type of music that Mayer and Dam or the stepkids did...stones throw been doing it for years no doubt...but regardless they are not a major and in recent years have put out new, current, not the rare re-issue type of stuff...and not hip hop/ rap music ..but Mayer and Dam and the stepkids are a new thing for them....


>
>EDIT: And what do you mean that jazz is not a "prime promoted
>mainstream genre" or whatever you said? Is jazz as promoted as
>aggressively as hip-hop or teeny pop? No... But it IS
>promoted.

yep... Jose James ..Mario Biondi.... Gregory Porter.... They are gettin promoted on the internet chittlin circuit...

It has a presence on the Billboard charts... there
>are several mainstream jazz mags... It's arguable that most of
>the audience that supports jazz today is one of the least
>web-savvy demographics around.

I'm not talking about older folks checking for established artists..I'm talking NEW music...

So again, the notion that jazz
>survives only by the grace of your "Internet chitlin circuit"
>is absolute rubbish.

New Jazz is being broken that way....not exclusively obviously.. (you keep acting like Warren Coolidge is speakin in absolutes) I'm talking about NEW artists ....BEFORE they hit the mainstream jazz magazines.


>

>lol... your average music purchaser in the US doesn't know
>giles petersen... He's not part of the current mainstream at
>all..
Giles Peterson was a big name DJ in the UK/Europe prior to the internet having any weight. I don't even live in the UK and I have seen him three times. He is not a good example of some internet generated niche artist/DJ. He has always made his money in the real world from the start from holding down club residences, selling actual records and headlining big (and mainstream) festivals around the world.

same thing goes for alot of these UK acts. just because we hear about them through the internet does not mean they have not been grinding it out on the local scene.

>>lol... your average music purchaser in the US doesn't know
>>giles petersen... He's not part of the current mainstream at
>>all..
>Giles Peterson was a big name DJ in the UK/Europe prior to the
>internet having any weight. I don't even live in the UK and I
>have seen him three times. He is not a good example of some
>internet generated niche artist/DJ.

Through his worldwide radio show. He was playing amy winehouse white labels from jump.... Broke jasmin sullivan years before she hit the majors....



He has always made his
>money in the real world from the start from holding down club
>residences, selling actual records and headlining big (and
>mainstream) festivals around the world.

I'm not really speaking on how giles makes a living. I'm talking about how his radio show has functioned as an avenue for new artists to be heard.



>same thing goes for alot of these UK acts. just because we
>hear about them through the internet does not mean they have
>not been grinding it out on the local scene.

Which is really my point.... Them being heat through internet radio shows and the like is a part of their grind.

>I'm not really speaking on how giles makes a living. I'm
>talking about how his radio show has functioned as an avenue
>for new artists to be heard.

I got the vibe that the first time I said it, you didn't understand what I meant by "terrestrial," because your reply didn't address it at all. Worldwide is not really an Internet radio show per se... Is it available on the Internet? Yes. Is it awesome that people around the world get to listen to it online? Also yes.

But if you live in the UK, that show is on regular, national radio--not even pirate radio.

Which ties in to what dafriquan is saying about "you can't look at the whole world through the lens of the US" and what is available through corporate-control media... Sure, over here everything is controlled by ClearChannel, but in other parts of the world, more adventurous music CAN be accessed via more conventional channels (which is not to say that Gilles' show represents "the mainstream" in Britain either... but it's there! On national radio!

>>I'm not really speaking on how giles makes a living. I'm
>>talking about how his radio show has functioned as an avenue
>>for new artists to be heard.
>
>I got the vibe that the first time I said it, you didn't
>understand what I meant by "terrestrial," because your reply
>didn't address it at all. Worldwide is not really an Internet
>radio show per se... Is it available on the Internet? Yes. Is
>it awesome that people around the world get to listen to it
>online? Also yes.
>
>But if you live in the UK, that show is on regular, national
>radio--not even pirate radio.

Gilles Peterson breaks new artists ..he's not playing whats on the top of the charts...that's never been the purpose of his show...in fact it's been the exact opposite...

the fact his show is on BBC radio is again irrelevant...I'm speaking about what music his playing...and who is making that music...and thus..the purpose of his radio show......

Gilles breaks a lot of new artists...plays a lot of white labels from many artists that eventually blow up worldwide..or that because huge more underground type of artists....he also provides a place for those artists to play their music live in session..which again is very much outside of the norm in terms of mainstream music.






>Which ties in to what dafriquan is saying about "you can't
>look at the whole world through the lens of the US" and what
>is available through corporate-control media

lol..first of all..I do not listen to ANY US radio (except for sports talk radio).... I listen to a few BBC radio shows....Solar Radio pretty on the daily and also Starpoint radio... but haven't listened to any corporate radio in years and years...lol. If anything my point in all of this has been to point out exactly what you just said...lol. So you repeating it in an attempt to be contrarian to what I'm saying is really really missing the boat.


Sure, over
>here everything is controlled by ClearChannel, but in other
>parts of the world, more adventurous music CAN be accessed via
>more conventional channels

again....that was my point. **shrug** Although you can access Gilles Peterson through BBC radio....does the music he plays impact the mainstream charts???


(which is not to say that Gilles'
>show represents "the mainstream" in Britain either... but it's
>there! On national radio!

you just answered...no it doesn't...

my point about the internet chittlin circuit is that there are ways for non-mainstream soul/r&b/funk/jazz/electronic/dance music artists to have their music heard...to market their music to audiences who will buy it..and who will go to their shows...

new artists....and estbalished artists who aren't on majors any more...or classic artists still making music.... there are ways to get it done out there and still make a living...

that's been my point....

as if it's something distinct from terrestrial radio, but you're including terrestrial radio shows in the list

That's like me saying that just because I watch TV shows on Hulu that NBC, CBS and ABC are part of a new, alternative Internet TV model.

>as if it's something distinct from terrestrial radio, but
>you're including terrestrial radio shows in the list

if the content is different ie different artists being heard on one from the other..then yes it's distinctly different...

if an artist is not able to advance their work on one, yet can advance it on the other then yes it's distinctly different..

if the process to get played on one is different than the other..then they are distinctly different.

certainly many of these avenues that are part of what I've coined the internet chittlin circuit are in a very general sense standard mainstream devices...but if in a specific sense what artists are able to do on the circuit when those opportunities are not available to them on mainstream venues then it becomes something alternative and different even though they may be using generally mainstream and traditional devices...

my point remains ....new artists....established artists...and classic artists have ways of getting their music heard, reaching their audience and making a living on routes that are outside of the mainstream in their content. It's working for numerous artists.... and you've provided nothing to contradict that other than over-generalizing and basiclly repeating back the same shit I'm saying..lol..


>
>That's like me saying that just because I watch TV shows on
>Hulu that NBC, CBS and ABC are part of a new, alternative
>Internet TV model.


If what you are watching on Hulu is not available and different than what is avaiable on Network TV then Hulu is distinctly different than network tv based on that specific content. If people are able to market their work and make a living using Hulu in ways that's not available to them on network tv then Hulu is part of an alternative strategy for them that allows them to circumvent network television..

game...set....match.

>If what you are watching on Hulu is not available and
>different than what is avaiable on Network TV then Hulu is
>distinctly different than network tv based on that specific
>content.

But Gilles and others ARE available on regular radio, and what you hear on their shows is the same thing you hear on the radio.

It's like you're arguing in circles here.


"Game, set, match" my ass.

>>If what you are watching on Hulu is not available and
>>different than what is avaiable on Network TV then Hulu is
>>distinctly different than network tv based on that specific
>>content.
>
>But Gilles and others ARE available on regular radio, and what
>you hear on their shows is the same thing you hear on the
>radio.
>
>It's like you're arguing in circles here.
>
>
>"Game, set, match" my ass


you parsing words and playing dumb just to be disagreeable to cover the L you took...

what Gilles and the others on the so-called internet chittlin circuit are playing.....is not being played in the mainstream...

if there is content on Hulu that is not available on network tv..then in terms of that specific content, what Hulu is offering is distinctly different....

Talking about "you lost this argument" and "the L you took"... lol who the fuck is arguing with you?

I pointed out a simple fact: You talk about an "Internet chitlin circuit" as distinct from terrestrial radio. Meanwhile, some of the major shows in your "chitlin circuit" are terrestrial shows. And you haven't denied this either.

All this extra rationalization you are throwing in is completely irrelevant (notice that I stopped responding to--or even reading--it a few replies ago?)

Gilles is a terrestrial DJ. His show appears on national, tax-supported radio and not some radical new paradigm.

That's what I said. You have yet to refute it. So miss me with all your "content" talk... You sound idiotic with all that extra mess.

EDIT: But just so you don't try to make some specious argument that I am avoiding your bogus "point"... let me address that (even though I have not read more than 2 or 3 lines of your last two bullshit posts)

If your argument is about "content"... There were already terrestrial stations that featured "alternative" content. Very influential college radio stations, public radio stations like WFMU etc. Again... the shit is nothing new.

Gilles show and others on Radio 1... Nova Radio in Paris, etc. they've been playing this same "content" on *regular radio* for years, so how is it anything new? Again, taking us back to what dafriquan said: You're too caught up with America and the corporate radio structure here s you don't realize that in other countries, there have ALWAYS been alternatives.

>Talking about "you lost this argument" and "the L you
>took"... lol who the fuck is arguing with you?
>
Nigga you arguing with me...lol.



>I pointed out a simple fact: You talk about an "Internet
>chitlin circuit" as distinct from terrestrial radio.
>Meanwhile, some of the major shows in your "chitlin circuit"
>are terrestrial shows. And you haven't denied this either.

I continue to point out to that whether or not a show is terrestrial or not.....has nothing to do with anything... particularly Giles Peterson's radio show in terms of functioning as a vehicle for non-mainstream music and artists to be heard serves as an ALTERNATIVE outlet for artists who are not nor is their music part of the so-called mainstream. Artists of that ilk are not sending their music or in many other circumstances traveling to the UK or Europe in general to promote themselves to an audience that doesn't fukk with their type of music.... They are taking advantage of an opportunity that exists for them to be heard.

I'll use KCRW's morning becomes eclectic as an example. Jose James or Van Hunt or Raphael Saadiq or Mark Ronson or Janelle Monet or any number of the other artists whose live performances on those shows have been heralded far beyond the reach of KCRW 89.9 in Los Angeles radio frequency...nor was is limited to those who happened to be listening in the morning live when their shows were broadcasted. The fact that Morning Becomes eclectic is archived on KCRW's site allows that show to go BEYOND their format as a radio show in los angeles.... I'm pretty sure there are some very tangible benefits that specificlly a Jose James, Janelle Monet and others got from their performances on that show that led to some direct revenue coming in for them..and seriously expanding their audience..




>
>All this extra rationalization you are throwing in is
>completely irrelevant (notice that I stopped responding to--or
>even reading--it a few replies ago?)


Nigga u keep responding...lol. And honestly it's kind of old going back and forth with you. I'm not trying to have Warren Coolidge known as the guy who debates some clown on the internet..lol.

>
>Gilles is a terrestrial DJ. His show appears on national,
>tax-supported radio and not some radical new paradigm.

The new paradigm is that artists who are not a part of the current so called Black Mainstream are getting their work heard and expanding their audience all over the world utilizing avenues that support their type of content and are of a medium where outreach to a larger audience is available...certainly not available to the degree of corporate owned media..but artists are on the grind out there and fortunately there are making a way...

you can keep making foolish responses that honestly have nothing to do with what I have defined as the internet chittlin circuit....but your really small minded lack of vision type of responses are getting boring...you're speaking a different language than me.

>
>That's what I said. You have yet to refute it. So miss me with
>all your "content" talk... You sound idiotic with all that
>extra mess.

Why would I try and refute something that has nothing to with the topic at hand?? lolol

>EDIT: But just so you don't try to make some specious argument
>that I am avoiding your bogus "point"... let me address that
>(even though I have not read more than 2 or 3 lines of your
>last two bullshit posts)


dude if you aren't reading my posts, stop responding... I'm not here to debate weirdos...

>
>If your argument is about "content"...

It's always been about content... if you didn't figure that out you are obviously not paying attention.



There were already
>terrestrial stations that featured "alternative" content.
Very
>influential college radio stations, public radio stations like
>WFMU etc. Again... the shit is nothing new.

so...lol. I mean honestly what does that have to do with anything. I'm talkin bout NOW nigga....Right Today..... I'm not here to give history lessons...fool ain't nobody impressed with you trying to pull fukkin obvious facts out your ass acting like you're bringing something to the table...lolol...

I'm talking about what current artists are doing TODAY....they are making away for themselves TODAY. Doing so today is distinctly different than what was done in the past because the industry is completely different in pretty much every way...lol.




>
>Gilles show and others on Radio 1... Nova Radio in Paris, etc.
>they've been playing this same "content" on *regular radio*
>for years, so how is it anything new?

What's new is that those type of avenues as they exist today play are more impactful role in certain artists career because certain mainstream opportunities no longer exist for those artists? None of the specific artists that I've named throughout all of this have a place in the larger black music mainstream.....they simply don't. So many are reaching their audiences through avenues that cater to them....

I mean you honestly sound like an idiot acting like I'm claiming the concept of "alternative" radio is new or whatever the fukk you sayin...lol..

seriously dude..if you ain't paying attention to what is being said...don't respond. I've made my point and all you're doing is talkin out yo ass wit this bullshit...lol.


Again, taking us back to
>what dafriquan said: You're too caught up with America and the
>corporate radio structure here s you don't realize that in
>other countries, there have ALWAYS been alternatives.

again...you and whatever dude's name is are obviously not paying attention......keep it pushin player..

lol..you would be the one taking the term "alternative" all Tresvant-like....lol.....

I don't see the point of even replying since I didn't read a single word of the post, just like I didn't read more than 4 lines of your past couple of posts.

You seem a LOT more invested in this than me... (I mean, didn't this start--as usual--with me minding my own business and you coming in here to exhume and misinterpret some old statements to prove that I'm wrong or lying?)

I've said my shit. And stood by it consistently without a bunch of contortions and focus-shifts from "medium" to "content" and the like.

So yeah. Seems like you *need* this. If believing that I "took an L" helps get your dick semi-hard enough for you to feel like a winner in life... Be my guest.

>I don't see the point of even replying since I didn't read a
>single word of the post, just like I didn't read more than 4
>lines of your past couple of posts.

they haven't actually read.... Welcome to the club.

>
>You seem a LOT more invested in this than me... (I mean,
>didn't this start--as usual--with me minding my own business
>and you coming in here to exhume and misinterpret some old
>statements to prove that I'm wrong or lying?)


Warren Coolidge points out inconsistency...that's what he does. Your super-sensativity to being held accountable for what you said is obviously an issue.

>
>I've said my shit. And stood by it consistently without a
>bunch of contortions and focus-shifts from "medium" to
>"content" and the like.

again..You are not in a position to analyze my opinion.... I'm not presenting my views for your approval or dissaproval.


>
>So yeah. Seems like you *need* this. If believing that I "took
>an L" helps get your dick semi-hard enough for you to feel
>like a winner in life... Be my guest.
>
>
like I said man...I'm not comfortable with the name Warren Coolidge being associated with you as some sort of counterpart in juvenille debates... You're on some other stuff....Warren Coolidge ain't on that and would rather not taint the name Warren Coolidge with such foolishness...

vee-lover is talking BALDERDASH !


What the blood claaat ???

>hey, that's Questo's opinion and he's entitled to it - I
>certainly would take his opinion on music and artists before
>yours...just saying

all respect to ?uest, but that is a bullshit statement... and if you are willing to swallow such a ridiculous statement just because he is ?uest... well, then you are a BIG part of the problem of why "pure" artists are less visible in the first place.

>and it ain't like theirs a lot of "pure artists" these days
>anyway irrespective of race

Seriously. Think about what you just said.

It's pretty silly, isn't it?

for a second who I was responding to smh


>>hey, that's Questo's opinion and he's entitled to it - I
>>certainly would take his opinion on music and artists before
>>yours...just saying
>
>all respect to ?uest, but that is a bullshit statement... and
>if you are willing to swallow such a ridiculous statement just
>because he is ?uest... well, then you are a BIG part of the
>problem of why "pure" artists are less visible in the first
>place.

again, if you don't believe that then fine but I'm sure Quest can back up his own reasons for stating that...and what he said isn't w/o merit as it relates to the vast majority of black artists nowadays.
>
>>and it ain't like theirs a lot of "pure artists" these days
>>anyway irrespective of race
>
>Seriously. Think about what you just said.
>
>It's pretty silly, isn't it?

lol - I know exactly what I said and I stand firmly behind it because its true when it comes to most current black artist and their artistry today. The term "pure artist" has become obsolete in today's music world, its all abt label execs exploiting what works instead of what's of real sonic quality.

Quest has always provided good insight when it comes to music...and his celebrity has absolutely NOTHING to do w/why I listen to something he says in comparison to, lets say, R Kelly who's eons more famous than Questlove...

the fact that you would even try and say that shows how dumb and intellectually insecure you are.

I guess I'm to assume you'd rather ppl listen to your opinions since you are a nobody, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owlnRlmgvNw


What the blood claaat ???

>Quest has always provided good insight when it comes to
>music...and his celebrity has absolutely NOTHING to do w/why I
>listen to something he says in comparison to, lets say, R
>Kelly who's eons more famous than Questlove...

But ?uest has often NOT provided good insight when it comes to D'Angelo. This is well known... I would think that just about everybody but the hardest brainwashed stan would dab a lit smidgen of salt on ?uest's D'Angelo raves.

But anyway... listen to what you're saying: You've not actually used your own mind to try to compute some sort of valid reason why ?uest's statement makes sense... You have just essentially said "Well... I'm sure ?uest has a good reason to say what he said, and I'm going to accept it on faith because he's The Mighty ?uestlove. Fuck thinking for myself!"


>I guess I'm to assume you'd rather ppl listen to your opinions
>since you are a nobody, huh?

Actually, I'm not a nobody and I have had many people listen to and pay for my opinions for many years. But that's neither here nor there. I'd not rather people listen to my opinions... I'd rather they use their own brains, ears and eyes to look around them and see that it is plainly obvious that there are thousands of "pure" (however you wanna define that) African-American artists working today, making art on a daily basis and the notion that the only "pure" African-American artist is a guy who has not made art in 10 years.

"Pure" artists MAKE ART. They don't spend a decade fucking around while others make excuses for why they're not making art.

>But ?uest has often NOT provided good insight when it comes to
>D'Angelo. This is well known... I would think that just about
>everybody but the hardest brainwashed stan would dab a lit
>smidgen of salt on ?uest's D'Angelo raves.

wtf? Quest has routinely been the one person who spoken honestly abt D'angelo...whether it be his procrastination, his personal matters, and why he and D'angelo fell out. I've heard these things from his own mouth, you're trying to act like Questlove is some D'angelo stan who's unable to speak objectively abt him...
>
>But anyway... listen to what you're saying: You've not
>actually used your own mind to try to compute some sort of
>valid reason why ?uest's statement makes sense... You have
>just essentially said "Well... I'm sure ?uest has a good
>reason to say what he said, and I'm going to accept it on
>faith because he's The Mighty ?uestlove. Fuck thinking for
>myself!"

I've already given my opinion on what I think constitutes a pure artist and I can see why Quest would say that in reference to D'angelo - even though he didn't state in the article why he thinks that is.
>
>
>>I guess I'm to assume you'd rather ppl listen to your
>opinions
>>since you are a nobody, huh?
>
>Actually, I'm not a nobody and I have had many people listen
>to and pay for my opinions for many years. But that's neither
>here nor there. I'd not rather people listen to my opinions...
>I'd rather they use their own brains, ears and eyes to look
>around them and see that it is plainly obvious that there are
>thousands of "pure" (however you wanna define that)
>African-American artists working today, making art on a daily
>basis and the notion that the only "pure" African-American
>artist is a guy who has not made art in 10 years.

lmao - you cited independent and jazz artists to prove your point. Now how many mainstream artists can you label as "pure?"...I want to see how pure these artists are you're talking abt when they're signed to a major label that may not allow them to put out the music of their choice...and let me see if they can resist label demands and not compromise their art.

>
>"Pure" artists MAKE ART. They don't spend a decade fucking
>around while others make excuses for why they're not making
>art.

His well documented personal problems were a big reason for his decade long hiatus...and as the article pointed out, it wasn't as if he wasn't making music. I'm sure he has tons of unreleased material

>wtf? Quest has routinely been the one person who spoken
>honestly abt D'angelo...whether it be his procrastination, his
>personal matters, and why he and D'angelo fell out. I've heard
>these things from his own mouth, you're trying to act like
>Questlove is some D'angelo stan who's unable to speak
>objectively abt him...

Questlove said that D'Angelo was playing guitar on the same level as Frank Zappa.

Frank Zappa. Do you know who that is?

Okay.


>lmao - you cited independent and jazz artists to prove your
>point. Now how many mainstream artists can you label as
>"pure?"...I want to see how pure these artists are you're
>talking abt when they're signed to a major label that may not
>allow them to put out the music of their choice...and let me
>see if they can resist label demands and not compromise their
>art.

Did ?uest say that D'Angelo was the last pure MAINSTREAM African-American artist, or did he just say he was the last pure African-American artist?

I must have missed where he said "mainstream" (or where he specifically ruled out jazz, blues, rock and every other genre except for "urban")... unless you are just trying to move the posts and add qualifiers that weren't there in order to preserve your point.

(Even then, your argument still fails... because there are other "pure" African-American artists in the mainstream... who actually record and release music!)

>>"Pure" artists MAKE ART. They don't spend a decade fucking
>>around while others make excuses for why they're not making
>>art.
>
>His well documented personal problems were a big reason for
>his decade long hiatus...and as the article pointed out, it
>wasn't as if he wasn't making music. I'm sure he has tons of
>unreleased material

LOL I'm sure.

Art is a process that is completed when the work is delivered to the audience. If you write a novel and put it in a drawer, it's technically unfinished. Are you really an artist if you are not putting your work in front of an audience... or are you a hobbyist?

>>wtf? Quest has routinely been the one person who spoken
>>honestly abt D'angelo...whether it be his procrastination,
>his
>>personal matters, and why he and D'angelo fell out. I've
>heard
>>these things from his own mouth, you're trying to act like
>>Questlove is some D'angelo stan who's unable to speak
>>objectively abt him...
>
>Questlove said that D'Angelo was playing guitar on the same
>level as Frank Zappa.

first off, did you even read the article since you've stated repeatedly that you haven't, yet, you're commenting on what was said in the article as if you have. Secondly, I didn't read that as Quest comparing his guitar playing to Zappa but more abt the fact they're both self taught guitarist. Coult be wrong but that's how I read it because the article talked abt how D'angelo has threw himself into teaching himself how to play the guitar.
>
>Frank Zappa. Do you know who that is?

isn't he a comic book hero?

>>lmao - you cited independent and jazz artists to prove your
>>point. Now how many mainstream artists can you label as
>>"pure?"...I want to see how pure these artists are you're
>>talking abt when they're signed to a major label that may
>not
>>allow them to put out the music of their choice...and let me
>>see if they can resist label demands and not compromise
>their
>>art.
>
>Did ?uest say that D'Angelo was the last pure MAINSTREAM
>African-American artist, or did he just say he was the last
>pure African-American artist?

I mean this is where common sense has to come in to play lol. How does anyone speak for all the 10s of thousands of independent and unheard artists out there vis-a-vis their purity lol. Even when we discuss artists in general on this board, we're talking abt artists who the vast majority of ppl can reference.
>
>I must have missed where he said "mainstream" (or where he
>specifically ruled out jazz, blues, rock and every other genre
>except for "urban")... unless you are just trying to move the
>posts and add qualifiers that weren't there in order to
>preserve your point.

smh
>
>(Even then, your argument still fails... because there are
>other "pure" African-American artists in the mainstream... who
>actually record and release music!)

who? name names?
>
>>>"Pure" artists MAKE ART. They don't spend a decade fucking
>>>around while others make excuses for why they're not making
>>>art.
>>
>>His well documented personal problems were a big reason for
>>his decade long hiatus...and as the article pointed out, it
>>wasn't as if he wasn't making music. I'm sure he has tons of
>>unreleased material
>
>LOL I'm sure.
>
>Art is a process that is completed when the work is delivered
>to the audience. If you write a novel and put it in a drawer,
>it's technically unfinished. Are you really an artist if you
>are not putting your work in front of an audience... or are
>you a hobbyist?

No its not, art is art, whether its put out for commercial consumption or not. The music can be released posthumously as is the case w/many artists.
>

in order to justify statements that otherwise make no sense?


>first off, did you even read the article since you've stated
>repeatedly that you haven't, yet, you're commenting on what
>was said in the article as if you have.

I didn't have to read the article to comment upon the Zappa comment, because (even though the author of the article apparently does not acknowledge it in the piece) that comment was actually taken directly from THIS very message board on which we are occupying space right now.

Secondly, I didn't
>read that as Quest comparing his guitar playing to Zappa but
>more abt the fact they're both self taught guitarist. Coult be
>wrong but that's how I read it because the article talked abt
>how D'angelo has threw himself into teaching himself how to
>play the guitar.

Oh... That's how you read it, is it?

Did you read the entire quote, or just the part of it that allows you to read some unassociated meaning into it?

"...He can play the shit out of it, and I don't mean no Lil Wayne shit."

Lil Wayne is a self-taught guitarist too, isn't he?


>I mean this is where common sense has to come in to play lol.
>How does anyone speak for all the 10s of thousands of
>independent and unheard artists out there vis-a-vis their
>purity lol. Even when we discuss artists in general on this
>board, we're talking abt artists who the vast majority of ppl
>can reference.

So you admit that it was a ridiculous statement.

Glad you finally came around.


>>Art is a process that is completed when the work is
>delivered
>>to the audience. If you write a novel and put it in a
>drawer,
>>it's technically unfinished. Are you really an artist if you
>>are not putting your work in front of an audience... or are
>>you a hobbyist?
>
>No its not, art is art, whether its put out for commercial
>consumption or not. The music can be released posthumously as
>is the case w/many artists.

Yeah, but even if it is released posthumously, at least it is RELEASED.

Until it's released to an audience in some form (and mind you, I didn't even say "commercially") it's just hobbyism.

who gives a fuck what that arseclown thinks?

about anything?

I'm not proud... I thought I was ready to come back, but perhaps it was too soon.


*temperance*

you saw that D'Angelo had a GQ article coming out and decided to come back to a message board to say the same tired ass shit you been saying about the guy....

honestly..that's some funnky style weirdo shit...lolol..

you should go back into hybernation and return when you have something of value to add to these discussions...

that were quoted in the article

and

again, I take his word and don't think he was singing D'angelo's praises just because he's a fan or a friend of his...and neither do I accept what he says abt D'angelo because he's a celebrity smh

And let me say again in reference to Quest making the statement that D'angelo is the last pure african-american artist left, most sensible ppl reading that wouldn't think he has to qualify that statement by saying he's including jazz and independent artists ort whoever else...no different than when Jayz or Lil Wayne boldly declare themselves as the "greatest rapper" ever - now, are they including every unknown rapper on some independent label that no one knows of who can spit incredible bars or do you think they really mean they're better any known rapper on the scene that most ppl are familiar with?

Tony Bennet said Whitney Houston was the GREATEST SINGER TO EVER LIVE - so does that mean she was a better singer than some unknown singers who only sing in their church choir?


>Until it's released to an audience in some form (and mind you,
>I didn't even say "commercially") it's just hobbyism.

please!!! talk abt utterly ridiculous statements lmao - Art is art, period...and if you're not talking abt commerce when it comes to a person's artwork being exposed to the public then what are you talking abt? Anything created that isn't for commercial purposes can be defined as a "hobby." lol

So if an artist only allow a few friends to view their work or read their poetry at some coffee shop in a room full of ppl does that validate that person's art and that's what makes it a completed piece of artwork? smh

>>hey, that's Questo's opinion and he's entitled to it - I
>>certainly would take his opinion on music and artists before
>>yours...just saying
>
>all respect to ?uest, but that is a bullshit statement... and
>if you are willing to swallow such a ridiculous statement just
>because he is ?uest... well, then you are a BIG part of the
>problem of why "pure" artists are less visible in the first
>place.
>
>>and it ain't like theirs a lot of "pure artists" these days
>>anyway irrespective of race
>
>Seriously. Think about what you just said.
>
>It's pretty silly, isn't it?

...seriously. Especially, when there are quite a few artist, who are actually putting out music, who do it for the pure love of it. And I stan for D(not speaking for anyone else, just me), but i'm not blind either.

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R.I.P Jamie Hubley

when you're basically dwelling in obscurity

the examples given of "pure artists" were independent artists and jazz artists which aren't good ones in this case. Now, if all of a sudden jazz music started to become popular again I'd bet you that their would be more demands made of jazz artists by the label to cater their music to whatever is popular. Or if you're an independent HipHop artist, lets see how pure you are once you get signed to a major label and they tell you they want you to make records that sound like Lil Wayne or whoever and lets see how "pure" you remain then or if you have the courage to buck the system.

If you were around for the making of Voodoo saga, you'll remember ?uest's regular reports about all the compromises being made, right up until the choice of covert art. And also, let's not forget that D is fundamentally a collaborative artist. You can't claim to be "uncompromising" when you are very dependent on others to help you develop and execute your vision.

D is not "uncompromising"... He's a procrastinator. And besides, I'm not even sure how desirable it is to be "uncompromising" in the first place. True artists know that there are always compromises to be made. The moment a vision leaves the safety of your head and interfaces with the material world, it's already compromised. The struggle then for the artist is to try to maintain as much of the original vision as possible... or to try to mold a new vision out of the compromised one.

Artists who go out of their way to talk about their refusal to compromise are almost always poseurs... Who was it who said "Perfectionism is an excuse for procrastination"? Whoever it was, they were on to something.

negate him as being a pure artist.


>If you were around for the making of Voodoo saga, you'll
>remember ?uest's regular reports about all the compromises
>being made, right up until the choice of covert art. And also,
>let's not forget that D is fundamentally a collaborative
>artist. You can't claim to be "uncompromising" when you are
>very dependent on others to help you develop and execute your
>vision.

The things you listed are so minor and insignificant lol. The Voodoo cd is a classic example of someone who is true to their art. That cd was held up for YEARS because the label was upset that there was NOT ONE radio friendly single on that entire cd. He was holed up in Jimmy Hendrix's studio for months much to the label's chagrin who was demanding that he hurry up with the record. That entire record was completely opposite of anything done by any mainstream r&b act...it was also different than his previous cd which the label was also urging him to continue to make a Brown Sugar 2 to follow up the success of the 1st cd.
>
>D is not "uncompromising"... He's a procrastinator. And
>besides, I'm not even sure how desirable it is to be
>"uncompromising" in the first place. True artists know that
>there are always compromises to be made. The moment a vision
>leaves the safety of your head and interfaces with the
>material world, it's already compromised. The struggle then
>for the artist is to try to maintain as much of the original
>vision as possible... or to try to mold a new vision out of
>the compromised one.

wait, you just said D'angelo is not uncompromising yet you say in the same paragraph that GRREAT artists don't compromise...so which is he? And first of all, when you have ppl putting millions of dollars behind you, then of course you're going to have to compromise on some things - whether it be the album cover or which song to release...but the overriding principle for any artist is to be able to make the music they want to make instead of doing what's likely to get them a hit...

>wait, you just said D'angelo is not uncompromising yet you say
>in the same paragraph that GRREAT artists don't
>compromise...so which is he?

Never said anything of the kind.

I said *true* artists recognize that compromise is a part of their process. The fact that D'Angelo has compromised, though, does not make him a true artist--in my mind, at least--because I believe a true artist PUTS OUT WORK.

And first of all, when you have
>ppl putting millions of dollars behind you, then of course
>you're going to have to compromise on some things - whether it
>be the album cover or which song to release...but the
>overriding principle for any artist is to be able to make the
>music they want to make instead of doing what's likely to get
>them a hit...

So then the reaction is to spend 10 years NOT releasing any work to prove that you are a true artist?

Please. D's hero Marvin Gaye worked under MUCH more rigid record company directives... The industry was much more structured and demanding when James Brown and Sly Stone, Isaac Hayes and George Clinton et al were putting out work on a regular basis... See, that is the test of a true artist: When the label censors your original vision, you use your creativity to work around the strictures and still produce something that manages to convey your vision while marginally appeasing the company.

If you feel you gotta take your ball and go home because you feel the label ain't letting you say exactly what you wanna say the way you wanna say it... that ain't nothing to be admired; that's weak.

.......cause he was taking too long with finishing it. Shit, they need to do that with D.

>Please. D's hero Marvin Gaye worked under MUCH more rigid
>record company directives... The industry was much more
>structured and demanding when James Brown and Sly Stone, Isaac
>Hayes and George Clinton et al were putting out work on a
>regular basis... See, that is the test of a true artist: When
>the label censors your original vision, you use your
>creativity to work around the strictures and still produce
>something that manages to convey your vision while marginally
>appeasing the company.
>
>If you feel you gotta take your ball and go home because you
>feel the label ain't letting you say exactly what you wanna
>say the way you wanna say it... that ain't nothing to be
>admired; that's weak.


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>>wait, you just said D'angelo is not uncompromising yet you
>say
>>in the same paragraph that GRREAT artists don't
>>compromise...so which is he?
>
>Never said anything of the kind.
>
>I said *true* artists recognize that compromise is a part of
>their process. The fact that D'Angelo has compromised, though,
>does not make him a true artist--in my mind, at least--because
>I believe a true artist PUTS OUT WORK.

again, you keep trying to use the fact that he's been absent from the music scene as justification that he isn't a "true" artist. I can accept the fact that because of his limited output that ppl don't yet consider him to be a "great artist" (Chris Rock said in the article that its all abt body of work) but that doesn't mean he isn't true to the music he makes.

> And first of all, when you have
>>ppl putting millions of dollars behind you, then of course
>>you're going to have to compromise on some things - whether
>it
>>be the album cover or which song to release...but the
>>overriding principle for any artist is to be able to make
>the
>>music they want to make instead of doing what's likely to
>get
>>them a hit...
>
>So then the reaction is to spend 10 years NOT releasing any
>work to prove that you are a true artist?

you act like he was bullshittin during his time away lmao. I don't think he planned to be away this long, just like I'm sure Lauryn Hill didn't plan to either, things happen artists, particularly blk artists. (read the article since you said you haven't and they talk briefly abt the pressures blk artists, especially great blk artists, experience vs their white counterparts.
>
>Please. D's hero Marvin Gaye worked under MUCH more rigid
>record company directives... The industry was much more
>structured and demanding when James Brown and Sly Stone, Isaac
>Hayes and George Clinton et al were putting out work on a
>regular basis... See, that is the test of a true artist: When
>the label censors your original vision, you use your
>creativity to work around the strictures and still produce
>something that manages to convey your vision while marginally
>appeasing the company.

the music industry was entirely different then than it is today. For one, artists had more freedom to create the kinds of music they wanted vs today where EVERYTHING is formalaic because there's lots more money backing artists of today. And its funny that of all the artists you mentioned, all of them w/the exception Isaac Hayes has talked abt the pressures of the music business and how it contributed to some of their personal problems.
>
>If you feel you gotta take your ball and go home because you
>feel the label ain't letting you say exactly what you wanna
>say the way you wanna say it... that ain't nothing to be
>admired; that's weak.

that's a poor analogy because that applies he just stopped making music altogether and went into hiding...when the truth of it is that he fought w/the label and eventually got his way.

>when you're basically dwelling in obscurity
>
>the examples given of "pure artists" were independent artists
>and jazz artists which aren't good ones in this case. Now, if
>all of a sudden jazz music started to become popular again I'd
>bet you that their would be more demands made of jazz artists
>by the label to cater their music to whatever is popular. Or
>if you're an independent HipHop artist, lets see how pure you
>are once you get signed to a major label and they tell you
>they want you to make records that sound like Lil Wayne or
>whoever and lets see how "pure" you remain then or if you have
>the courage to buck the system.
>
>

Those are pure artist, who are in the "music system",no ? And John Legend, too.

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>Those are pure artist, who are in the "music system",no ? And
>John Legend, too.

I'm not so sure...that's not to say he doesn't make good music

but

I have my reasons for saying that abt Maxwell that I don't care to discuss on this board

I've heard too much of John Legend's music recently where he tries to make music that fits in w/the current trends. He's not exactly someone I would describe as a "pure artist."


>>when you're basically dwelling in obscurity
>>
>>the examples given of "pure artists" were independent
>artists
>>and jazz artists which aren't good ones in this case. Now,
>if
>>all of a sudden jazz music started to become popular again
>I'd
>>bet you that their would be more demands made of jazz
>artists
>>by the label to cater their music to whatever is popular. Or
>>if you're an independent HipHop artist, lets see how pure
>you
>>are once you get signed to a major label and they tell you
>>they want you to make records that sound like Lil Wayne or
>>whoever and lets see how "pure" you remain then or if you
>have
>>the courage to buck the system.
>>
>>
>
>Those are pure artist, who are in the "music system",no ? And
>John Legend, too.
>
>silk.later Reunion radio with Old P. & Silk
>http://reunionradio.blogspot.com/
>
>"i'm talking about *Balls Deep*....In Love (c)Cleveland Jr.
>
>He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.
>
>R.I.P Jamie Hubley

>I'm not so sure...that's not to say he doesn't make good
>music
>
>but
>
>I have my reasons for saying that abt Maxwell that I don't
>care to discuss on this board
>
>I've heard too much of John Legend's music recently where he
>tries to make music that fits in w/the current trends. He's
>not exactly someone I would describe as a "pure artist."
>
>
>>>when you're basically dwelling in obscurity
>>>
>>>the examples given of "pure artists" were independent
>>artists
>>>and jazz artists which aren't good ones in this case. Now,
>>if
>>>all of a sudden jazz music started to become popular again
>>I'd
>>>bet you that their would be more demands made of jazz
>>artists
>>>by the label to cater their music to whatever is popular.
>Or
>>>if you're an independent HipHop artist, lets see how pure
>>you
>>>are once you get signed to a major label and they tell you
>>>they want you to make records that sound like Lil Wayne or
>>>whoever and lets see how "pure" you remain then or if you
>>have
>>>the courage to buck the system.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Those are pure artist, who are in the "music system",no ?
>And
>>John Legend, too.
>>
>>silk.later Reunion radio with Old P. & Silk
>>http://reunionradio.blogspot.com/
>>
>>"i'm talking about *Balls Deep*....In Love (c)Cleveland Jr.
>>
>>He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.
>>
>>R.I.P Jamie Hubley
>


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lol

Quest=Maxx?

lets see Kellz works non stop and has classics in two different eras adn you got Mumblo still selling a fantasy.

Mumblo outta be on Wallstreet with all the Hot air ballon dreams he still is trying to sell,

nobody cares about no Washed up has been hit less jive turkey that was afraid of his own shadow and couldn't hang and just choked.

What the blood claaat ???

and I say that as a guy who wanted D to win.

leave this alone if you can't cope and stop jiving with all this Pt Barnum routine.

n/m

these niggas don't have the talent level for the shit they want to do
that article sounded like about every other nigga that's on the corner asking for a dollar, and singing the same song

.......that shit with D,Angie Stone and Vivica Fox........booooooooooooooooooooooo !!! That's all i'm gonna say lol !!!

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like... "damn, they dogged her like that?"

I knew rappers used to get on him about that, but LMAO.

Somehow I felt a connection, read the article in a local bookstore, sitting on the floor..

It's cool he can talk to the press again, and give off a smolder in the live set..you good son..I just pray he can hunker down with afewtrused associates and deliver another "hard times" soundtrack..

just me though..peace to D

Sounds to me that Darkness hit the nail on the head in this discussion. Quest mentioning Zappa like that makes it almost comedy.

The article to me was just another cog in the machine. People in the industry wanting D to come back and save the industry for everyone else. They're putting undue pressure on him. Just let him be him and stop worrying what the hell everyone else has to say. And i agree, all the Marvin Gaye dream shit needs to stop. 2 albums deep in more than a decade?? Come on man. Let the brother get his feet under himself as a man this time around.

If they keep building up this fabricated legend & persona, they should remember that only D has to actually "live up to it".

>
>If they keep building up this fabricated legend & persona,
>they should remember that only D has to actually "live up to
>it".
>


exactly, its the pressure to be some soul savior that's killing his career, he should just stop giving interviews and people need to stop all this savior talk and he should just release an ep or a few online singles, tour non stop, experiment, take some risks, have fun with the music and work it out on the stage.

who is checking for a Choke Artist? 1)

Constipated Mumbling and on some Spinal Tap I'm going to make your musical fantasy come true and alive 2)

R.kelly would run this turkey back to a Popeyes in a minute and has basically 3)

any turkey saying that Mumblo is the last important African American Artist obviously has lost there hood pass long ago 4)

if Mumblo is So gifted how come it ain't presented yet? 5)

this turkey been recording tracks and ain't got no money cuts and is stuck in a time warp. 2Pac done performed on stage again since the last time this turkey has barely appeared Live. 6)

Yeah Maxwell got him beat and Lauyrn Hill did as well, if D'angelo had any juice he could have been a real threat,instead of being a Pop Up Video Milk Carton of what ever happen to? 7)

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNN @ the 2Pac one.

What the blood claaat ???

holy shit

On the dock of that bay serving a life sentence,even if I’m going to hell I’m gonna make an entrance

yeah it makes no sense how you are presented as a R&B savior one minute and the next minute you turn into a Chip and Dale dancer the next and then you are still hearing voices and still selling hype.

D'angelo outta go ahead and be on Donald Trump's the Apprentice because he has the wolf tickets on lock in here. lawd have mercy this turkey got some heads still thinking he didn't choke.

On the dock of that bay serving a life sentence,even if I’m going to hell I’m gonna make an entrance

D'angelo got about as much chance at a comeback as Dan Quayle winning a Spelling Bee contest.

Media got money in the wrong places as usual.

nm

D'mumblo needs to go get a hit from somewhere.

maybe do a commerical for Guitar Hero or something or appear on Glee, but that turkey ain't done a thing but stand around and Front like he was bout it bout it 1)

right about now D'angelo is running neck and neck with Marquez Houston, Omarion and Sisqo in terms of his place in music and Steve Wonder can't find that in braile either its way down the list.

d' still brings a lot of attention and passion here. that's a good thing.

however he never had have heard of it nor the artist so I guess R.kelly's "I beleive I can fly" was good enough to do and Win.



ole Cranyberry jar head turkey saying that some Mumbling choking, one note johnny is the last important African-American Artist?? HA!HA!HA!HA!

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he is sorta like Alien to alot of folks. folks forget.

but hey R.Kelly could use a new character in trapped in the closet series and D would be a good fit the long forgotten singer.

What the blood claaat ???

It's cool that you don't like him. But bring up D'angelo in barbershops cats will ask what happened to him, not who he is. Stop hatin. If Kellz had a GQ interview and folks postin about it i'm not gonna go outta my way to shit on dude.

alot of folks only remember D angelo fron the "untitled" video as it is.

done been on a Milk Carton as long almost to many as a Danny Boy follow up album

You gonna be really mad if D actually puts out an album.

what is doing with his free time playing frisbee or something? turkey outta have something way by now.

if D'angelo would come to his senses and let RObert S. Kelly write and Produce that comeback cut he would be alright, Kellz can bring him back.

but left to his own devices it just doesn't work.

if he comes back with a Record ain't that his job?? HA!HA!HA!

What the blood claaat ???

dude is tough.
youtube clips of the euro run looked legit.
"another life" is a winner
stoked.

seems like hes still dangerously in love with musician myths.

i sympathise with all the stuff about pressure, not knowing what to do in the current climate and so on, but all the stuff about dying rather than actually TRYING to releasing music seems almost like an easier, lazier option. if he wants to just be a recluse, he should do it and take himself out of the industry if he thinks that would be easier to cope with. you cant call yourself a recording artist when you dont have anything to show for it. all the perfectionism is great, but it seems totally self defeating. someone needs to get this man to a therapist fast.

as far as quest, i love the guy but he is basically dangelos greatest publicist. ie you cant take anything he says about dangelo seriously. i mean, dangelos playing like zappa? lol. its just hyperbole. great, and funny hyperbole, but hyperbole nonetheless. next he'll be saying dangelos playing bass like jaco. and drums like john bonham and elvin jones. or keys like herbie hancock and vladimir horowitz (on acid).

it doesnt matter though - this is dangelo. the greatest thing about dangelo is that people love to believe any bit of hype they hear about him! no wonder he doesnt want to release any music. hes shit scared it will deflate the myth. could he EVER live up to that? (then again, it seems like he could play guitar like madonna and people would still applaud it, which makes his non-activity even stranger - doesnt he know his fans will eat up anything he does?)

im kinda over it til we get some new product. shirtless or not, marvin gaye reincarnated or not, just shut up & play dude

>im kinda over it til we get some new product. shirtless or
>not, marvin gaye reincarnated or not, just shut up & play
>dude
>


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what's this about? what happened?

I know what's going to go down before I even click in, down to the AFKAP/Warren arguments, lol...

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

obv she doesnt fit the great male genius archetype, so thats one reason, but shes not only been more consistent (apart from the last album), shes stayed touring or making music, made more interesting music, retained her personality even when trying new ideas, and generally stayed in touch with reality, despite everyone thinking she was the weirdest/hippiest of everyone from that generation. anyway, shes stuck it out. dangelo meanwhile hasnt. erykah is actually more of a musical and political rebel than dangelo too, for all this talk of his apparent non-compromise. dangelo made one political song, devils pie. erykahs made a dozen.

>obv she doesnt fit the great male genius archetype, so thats
>one reason, but shes not only been more consistent (apart from
>the last album), shes stayed touring or making music, made
>more interesting music, retained her personality even when
>trying new ideas, and generally stayed in touch with reality,
>despite everyone thinking she was the weirdest/hippiest of
>everyone from that generation. anyway, shes stuck it out.
>dangelo meanwhile hasnt. erykah is actually more of a musical
>and political rebel than dangelo too, for all this talk of his
>apparent non-compromise. dangelo made one political song,
>devils pie. erykahs made a dozen.

I don't know if I would call her a "genius" per se, but yeah... she has been a bolder, more consistent, more durable, more flexible and more interesting artist than D'Angelo and than most of her peers.

(Even if I personally have not loved most of her new music)

i was just using the g-word relatively

but ive gotten that feeling of someone touched by raw inspiration more from erykah than dangelo, though thats probably also just a difference in approach - hes much more controlled and analytical, like the roots, while erykah and someone like bilal are more intuitive

and even though i was on the fence about it for a long time, nu amerykah was way more forward looking, riskier and original than anything dangelo has made, or from the sounds of the new songs, is likely to make in a while

And I feel ya.

Her resume is much better than D's too. With that said, I do hope that D bounces back with a great album.

that he has all this talent, but he seems afraid of it.

but you know what really got me in that article?

ROBERT CHRISTGAU called dude "R&B Jesus"!

I was like "WTF?!" and looked for that review.

We could compare if Wade saw him dunk from the other end of the court to the other
And Bron refuses to show anyone he can do that and cuss Wades ass out for seeing it
Seriously who in the fuck does that?
Definitely not the yoda's....prince @ the rrhof showing his ass anyone?

and he been stuck in 2001 there I fixed it. Lebron is the baddest player going he just needs to finish, Vince Carter was the baddest hype going along with tracy mcgrady and well...........

I agree with you on that maine.

I can almost swear that they said he knew and could play ALL of Miles' shit.

I'll check for it later.

If D could make the music and get it to the people without any of the celebrity or fame aspects of it, he would do it.

They literally don't make artist like that anymore. Any kid growing up in this tweet, facebook, everybody's a star age who have no concept of privacy wouldn't be able to comprehend separating music from fame.

**********
"naive as the dry leaves on the ground looking past the trees to the blue sky asking 'why me?'" -Blu

>If D could make the music and get it to the people without
>any of the celebrity or fame aspects of it, he would do it.
>
>They literally don't make artist like that anymore. Any kid
>growing up in this tweet, facebook, everybody's a star age who
>have no concept of privacy wouldn't be able to comprehend
>separating music from fame.
>
>**********
>"naive as the dry leaves on the ground looking past the trees
>to the blue sky asking 'why me?'" -Blu

matter of fact Robert is more of a Pure Artist than D'angelo will ever dream to be.

all the concepts that Robert does and always working, writing and creating always on the grind and yeah ARRUH is Crazy and yet he still goes to work.

Arruh lets his music do his talking period.

D'angelo is like some Tim Burton Myth created and the poor turkey choked and always got more pleas than John Edwards has right about now.

D'angelo going to be doing that same ole timey muzak and mumbling and choking again with no money tracks and begging for a fatburger.

because of the time spent away. talk about fucking yourself over. just put out music and STFU!!
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

...let's face it, he won't make any mainstream impact from what I've heard of the new stuff - that's cool though if he doesn't want to. What I don't understand is how he's gotten by financially all this time since the end of the Voodoo era - Voodoo didn't really sell enough to support him, particularly in the midst of his crack habit. I know there were some major studio bills being run up when he started recording again - the studio would be block booked, musicians/studio staff would be there...but D wouldn't show up for months, too strung out on crack.

And re the guitar playing, maybe he just didn't feel comfortable letting go - he did seem stilted in the YouTube clips I saw, even affecting the fluidity of his rhythm playing.

He redeemed himself in the piano/vocal segments - that was some special shit.

I feel he'll have an uphill battle with this album - all that weight and expectation placed by others on his shoulders can't be helping when he hasn't released anything in 12 years. The last one was also out when illegal uploading/downloading wasn't as much of a decimating issue as it is now - although the demographic who'll be checking for him are mainly used to buying music still.

*facepalm*
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>*facepalm*
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>Big PEMFin H & z's
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>thing, a musician." © Miles Davis
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."


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>...let's face it, he won't make any mainstream impact from
>what I've heard of the new stuff

This is the thing. I haven't even heard much, but the mainstream climate just ain't right for D'. He'll be lucky if he can get it at Blacksummernights status. But the thing that's so crazy is like I said above, him allowing himself to build all this hype around it which extends out to the fans, and only feeds his own fears. Like you wanna play it on the humble, don't hype yourself out of the game.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

He will have no choice but to prostitute himself if he wants to sell records and recoup
Real talk....Voodoo really didn't have any radio $ cuts
Untitled saved that record

In today's age of electronic r&b and oontz...how in the fuck will he get exposure in a way the label will see a profit?
I highly doubt he will get promo outside of the "grown and sexy" market
And he better be real careful cuz that crowd and guitars don't mesh well LOL

And before someone counters
This is a business and if there's no profit...heads will roll...trust!
and if the label didn't care they wouldn't date mention Grammy consideration.

>He will have no choice but to prostitute himself if he wants
>to sell records and recoup
>Real talk....Voodoo really didn't have any radio $ cuts
>Untitled saved that record
>
>In today's age of electronic r&b and oontz...how in the fuck
>will he get exposure in a way the label will see a profit?
>I highly doubt he will get promo outside of the "grown and
>sexy" market
>And he better be real careful cuz that crowd and guitars don't
>mesh well LOL
>
>And before someone counters
>This is a business and if there's no profit...heads will
>roll...trust!
>and if the label didn't care they wouldn't date mention Grammy
>consideration.
>
>
>


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(if he wanted to actually hit the road more often)

erykah makes a good living touring too

and her records still sell

the generation that remembers and loves dangelo will still buy his music

i dont think you have to worry about that

most of the 90s artists are still the biggest sellers these days cos their fans arent of this generation

What idiot is funding this shit?
I've seen plenty of artists get dropped for less

>What idiot is funding this shit?
>I've seen plenty of artists get dropped for less

......but it all worked in his favor, in the end.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S90Ggix8ju4&feature=related

Around 16:50. Even muthafucking Prince is waiting on shit from D'Angelo, and that's from 2004. If that ain't enough motivation for any artist to get off their asses and release the music, then I don't know what is.

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I laughed at the entire article
Dancing like James Brown
Mastering catalogs
Multiple instruments like the sax?
That really had me
All I could picture was D playing the sax with a kazoo a la Hustle man

when I kept saying that D was being sold as playing guitar, bass and sax more than 10 years ago... and now we're told that he just learned to play guitar after Voodoo? And what happened to the sax?

Cock and bull stories, man... The revolution will be fantasized.

You've been spot on with your observations
And it's not hate based either
I've said before we all want this cat to "win" but his crew makes it so hard for him to with the extras they put on shit

And LMAO at the dalai lama of soul. Thats a huge disgrace to the DL!!

I've seen him play guitar and bass. Never seen him play sax but that doesn't mean he can't play the instrument, perhaps he's not good enough or feels comfortable enough to play it on his cds. Anyway, how many saxophones do you hear in r&b tracks nowadays anyway lol?

Aretha Franklin was a trained pianist and she NEVER played piano on any of her songs.

Tony Braxton also plays the piano but Babyface decided it was best that she was marketed as only a vocalist.

Miles Davis said out of his own mouth that Prince is an excellent trumpet player and could play "Tutu" but I have never heard Prince play a wind instrument but that doesn't mean he can't play the trumpet.

I find it funny how you're trying to act as if his ability to play different instruments is all made up for whatever reason smh

Aretha played piano on almost ALL of her records

When/where is this Miles quote about prince playing Tutu on the trumpet?

>Aretha played piano on almost ALL of her records

I was actually about to go pull the credits from like 30 of her albums then I figured what's the use?

>When/where is this Miles quote about prince playing Tutu on
>the trumpet?

Yeah, this sound like some nonsense to me too... I know P started messing with sax a bit in the 90s, but I have never heard anything about him playing trumpet. And Miles would definitely not praise anybody he saw playing his instrument on a casual basis... He was pretty bitchy about that shit, actually.

Has me over here cracking up

miles: turn this shit off...who the fuck let their little niece play the trumpet?

>miles: turn this shit off...who the fuck let their little
>niece play the trumpet?

that the label execs didn't allow her to play the piano - it wasn't until she signed w/Atlantic and Jerry Wexler began to exploit her abilities as a pianist and suggested she play piano in her songs, including her early hit records on Atlantic, even though many ppl at the label didn't think that was a good idea since she wasn't a virtuoso pianist but having said that, there are many ppl who are fans of Aretha that didn't know she's a pianist because even later in her career around the lates 70s and early 80s she didn't play piano on her records.


>Yeah, this sound like some nonsense to me too... I know P
>started messing with sax a bit in the 90s, but I have never
>heard anything about him playing trumpet. And Miles would
>definitely not praise anybody he saw playing his instrument on
>a casual basis... He was pretty bitchy about that shit,
>actually.

Actually he was playing the sax well before the 90s, he took lessons as kid but didn't stick w/it. Maceo and Sonny T. have both vouched for him as a "really good" saxophonist. My point was just because I or you have never seen him in concerts or in video footage playing a woodwind instrument doesn't mean he can't play any horn instruments and the same applies to D'angelo. No one questions whether D'angelo is a multi instrumentalist...and I'm basing this off ppl like Questo, Angie Stone, Prince, and Raphael Saadiq who have talked abt the different instruments he plays.

As far as Miles is concerned, there are stories (maybe even urban myths) that have circulated for YEARS abt Prince writing songs for Miles and even played on some material that he has NEVER released to the public.

>Aretha Franklin was a trained pianist and she NEVER played
>piano on any of her songs.

he can play instruments or pull a Milli Vannelli for all i care, however where are the songs? he ain't got none thats why

Absolutely none have been about his music
They've all went something like this

Jameeka: let's hope he keeps that weight off
Talonda: mmmmmmm girrrrrrl let's hope for an untitled 2.0


Absolutely NO talk about the music!!
They could care less about his guitar playing LOL

Professior Mcknight going to show you how it works, D'angelo stuck in a time warp and scratching his head trying to remember who he is. Poor turkey.

Pulked from a friend of mines FB page
The names were changed to protect the innocent
I only changes a few letters lol

but you right tho. Every woman I've talked to just wanted to know if he still looked like Jabba the Hut.

he hasn't released any music for anyone to discuss...

plus ..not to be sexist, but it's rare for females to have in depth discussions about an artists actual music..

not really sure what point that proves....

and I'm not sure some chick actually said they wanted untitled 2.0...

lol..

basically a Chip and Dale act and choked. he presented that image and got Sucrred and ran away.

i know alot of women who know there music and D'angelo had his critics on both sides of the fence.

funny thing is that a turkey like Marquez Houston ran with that idea and bought a little run with it. now how sad is that?

that "Untitled" video is one of the last things that most people remember about D'angelo and Bro Man while comical made a interesting point.because you gotta have a song or something to be remembered for and its been since when again??

No music lover with any sense would give any value to what chicks like that think about music. I mean it would be super funny style for me to take into consideration what some superficial broad thinks about music when it comes to me analyzing music.


Oh and maxx.... At least d' was naked in a video by himself. Not with a 13 year old. That's how your boy gonna be remembered.

You missed the point
If these chicken heads/broads are tightening their weaves for his return
What 'chu think is going to happen at these shows?
Per Quest and 'nem that crowd was a major part of the problem
And my $$ is on that they will be in full force at these shows screaming:

A)play some Zappa guitar god

B) we luh you Jesse!!!

Or

C) Take that shit off nigga!!!!

Of course my $ is on C!!!

>You missed the point
>If these chicken heads/broads are tightening their weaves for
>his return
>What 'chu think is going to happen at these shows?
>Per Quest and 'nem that crowd was a major part of the problem
>
>And my $$ is on that they will be in full force at these shows
>screaming:
>
We don't have to guess about the shows.... He just finished doing a bunch a shows and I'm focused on what type of funk is happening on stage. D' and them didn't adjust the voodoo show for some broads.... They brought funky music. Period. Who gives a fukk what them chicks think.





>A)play some Zappa guitar god
>
>B) we luh you Jesse!!!
>
>Or
>
>C) Take that shit off nigga!!!!
>
>Of course my $ is on C!!!

Again man.... Who really gives a fukk. Its about what's happening on stage with the music.

What you not gonna go to the concert because of what motivates other people??? That's just crazy.




>
>

You and I can give a shit about that
But the point I'm trying to make about this is that HE obviously does give a shit
And if that audience is gearing up for his return
It could be Voodoo tour all over again
Europe and the Us are two different audiences
He HAS to do Untitled and deal with that shit that freaked him out before in the states this go round or take the chance of that audience booing that dude back to his cave.

If he wants to sell records and recoup his label's investment, he has no other choice but to take his shirt off and play a role that he's obviously not comfortable playing.


You have to know that outside of folks like us, he is only remembered for THAT video
Sad but true

when D'Angelo been booed????

the voodoo concert was funky as hell..

the euro shows he just did was funky as hell...

he bout to drop the album and do some shows here in the us..

all this talk about what other people are thinking and all this is just way off base and trying to make a story that honestly doesn't exist...

The only female D'Angelo was tripping off of during this hiatus first name starts with an H and thankfully he was able to overcome her and is alive and back to doing what he loves to do...

**shrug**

don't be all salty because D'angelo went from Chip and Dale to doing a David Allen Grier in Living skit now on his tour and in that GQ thing with his I got a cover song here it goes wanna here it?

i told you last year that R.Kelly is Shaq to D'angelo's Stanley ROberts one of them you know the other you need to google to remember

on who was naked in a music video maxx..

that's all I'm saying.

got records left and right all over the place, meanwhile D'angelo got a few records and ain't been heard from since Sisqo had a career,however to each and your own

the thing thats strange about dangelos fear of only being wanted for his body is that he was never NOT taken seriously as a musician. women might have loved that video but he was always respected as a musician/artist too. hes not tyrese.

The Essence Fest will be a big challenge for him. You KNOW the women are certainly going to be expecting him to get half butt naked.

I've been to the Essence Fest before. They will have a bunch of singles waiting.

I want a studio quality version of "The Charade".

And I'm out.

why doesn't the label(s) just put the songs out? it owns them, after all. or does it?

Maybe, they don't think they can promote it w/o him being a part of the game.

...and leaves*



inner thoughts: usual suspects. who do they listen to? i want to be down.


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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

>who do they listen to? i want
>to be down.

He does know the lyrics to Long Stroke very well LOL

>He does know the lyrics to Long Stroke very well LOL


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My apologies if it's been posted...

http://gq.tumblr.com/post/23560236653/dangelo-plugs-in-electric-guitar-video

and i guess David Allen Grier can out play Peter Frampton then or somebody??

she kept trying to push up on him and he was like "Nope!"

wonder if she ever did Prince like that.

>she kept trying to push up on him and he was like "Nope!"
>
>wonder if she ever did Prince like that.

I was like,damn D, now she has to peel her face up off the floor. LOL !!!! Got her ass good.


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He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.

R.I.P Jamie Hubley

http://books.google.com/books?id=yj1PTnse9-gC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=prince+madonna+date&source=bl&ots=nnuwsbdP7F&sig=FQbTYa5cY7QZxj1DDV52k3Qed9o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rVe9T9auEqensAL-utEW&ved=0CGAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=prince%20madonna%20date&f=false

^ i dunno if i believe this account. but there it is.

another account says he flew her out to Mpls and put her up in an apartment. but then she bounced on him for a reason i can't recall.

i dunno if any of this is true.

Allegedly she told him "you're crazy if you think I'm gonna be in this piece of shit".

she laughed at him over that. Madonna loves the Brothers any Brother that walks by her and she will pretty much attack on the spot.

LOL

but i think it's awesome.

its almost like the weight of the strict rules of religion got him more paranoid than anything.....smh.

good article but i just kept shaking my head.

Amen! (D'Angelo's Back): The Outtakes

Exclusive extras from Amy Wallace's time with the R&B legend, profiled in the June 2012 issue of GQ

A friend forwarded the breaking news on the first day of December, 2011: after 12 years without a new record or a public performance, after countless false starts and rumored comebacks, D'Angelo was heading to Europe for a mini-tour. Immediately, I sent a pitch to my editors at GQ. Please, I said. Please let me go.

Growing up in southwest Ohio in the 1970s, I'd been steeped in the music that D'Angelo would later love: Marvin Gaye, Earth, Wind & Fire, Parliament, the Isley Brothers, Ohio Players—and, eventually, Prince. When I first heard D's music, I heard those inspirations loud and clear, but I also heard something else—something raw but analytical, sweet but sometimes angry. I was a fan. I wanted to know more about D—and to solve the mystery of where he'd been (and why he'd stayed away) for so long.

That was how I came to be standing outside a sound studio on 11th Avenue in Manhattan late on the night of January 23. D was due to board a plane to Stockholm the next day—this was the final state-side rehearsal—but I hadn't met him yet. The following scene is one of several that didn't make it into the lengthy profile of D'Angelo that appears in the June issue of GQ (when you travel with an artist for a week, from New York to Stockholm to Copenhagen to Paris, you collect a huge amount of material). But if there is one thing about D's fans, it is that their appetite for D-related news has no limit. After all, they've had to go hungry for more than a decade. Herewith, a few outtakes:

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Even through a closed door, D's voice commands attention. We gather, listening, in the lounge outside Montana Studios' fourth floor rehearsal space on 11th Avenue. Dominique Trenier and Kevin Liles, D's managers, are both here. So, too, is Alan Leeds, D's tour manager and resident wise man—he ran D's last tour in 2000 and previously worked with Prince and George Clinton and James Brown. On a TV monitor on the floor, footage of Brown making his signature moves flickers soundlessly—an assistant is burning DVDs of classic soul tracks for D and his band to watch on the tour bus. The plane for Stockholm leaves tomorrow; everyone's getting picked up at noon. At least, that's the plan.

There's a lull, and then a familiar chord progression. It's not one of D's songs, but David Bowie's "Space Oddity." "Ground control to Major Tom," D sings, low and slow, like a rock-and-roll dirge. It's not what anyone would expect from the man who wrote the seductive "Lady," but that's part of the point, and he's making it his. Then, the music stops, and D bursts through the door. Soft-eyed and soft-spoken, he exudes a sweet, almost vulnerable energy. He admits to being nervous. He hoped for six weeks of rehearsals before this tour. He's barely had three. Two of the musicians he wants with him have expired passports—they'll have to be replaced temporarily.

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On fame and its price:
In the dozen years since D'Angelo's last record, many artists have tapped into the transcendent themes that he so memorably explored. Several have gone so far as to proclaim themselves sanctified: Jay Z has long called himself "J H.O.V.A."; Nicki Minaj showed up at this year's Grammys with a faux Pope as her date. D'Angelo, by contrast, was always the uneasy, unwilling prophet.

Even his first album, Brown Sugar, had been audacious—with its references to "Chocolate Thai," has often been presumed to be an ode to the powers of good weed, while "Shit, Damn, Motherf*cker" was as dark and ominous as anything since Sly & the Family Stone's "There's a Riot Goin' On." But D's onstage persona was more muted—it simmered, but didn't burn. D'Angelo looks back on that time with some discomfort. A perfectionist, he wishes he'd had more of an active interplay with the audience. But it all took off so fast, he says. He was confused, he says, by his sudden notoriety, even as he, Lauryn Hill, Erykah Badu and others were credited with launching the "neo-soul" movement (a label he hates). "It counteracts the very fucking idea of what it was in the first place," he says. "It's black music thinking — it's black music manifested outside of the box. And when you label it neo soul, you're putting it right back in the box. How about you just call me soul music?"

That argument was just one of many D was having in his own head. "I tried to fight, I guess, what typically fame quote-unquote does to people," he says. "I didn't want to stop being, you know, the rambunctious mug that I was, because that's what made my music what it was. It happens to the best of them, you know: At some point in everyone's career, it was like the music lost its bite. I'm like, 'Well, how do you avoid that?'"

"You're some kid from wherever, you get signed, you come out with a record, and boom, you've got money and instant success and there's really no template to follow," he says, recalling how Gary Harris, the EMI exec who'd signed him, gave him a copy of Divided Soul: The Life of Marvin Gaye, David Ritz's commanding biography. Hungry for guidance, D devoured it in two days. When B.B. King first met the 22-year-old D'Angelo, Vibe magazine reported in 2000, the bluesman remarked that D had an old soul. Says Harris today: "He's the oldest young man you'll ever meet."

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On Voodoo, D's second album:
Tales of the Voodoo recording sessions at Electric Lady Studios in Greenwich Village, built by Jimi Hendrix in 1970, have become lore. In addition to D'Angelo, Common and Erykah Badu were also recording there, and after awhile, they were all visiting each other's sessions, offering insights and sharing beats. The studio "was like a college dorm of music," Common recalls—a fertile crescent where new culture could grow.

Instead of writing songs beforehand, as he had on Brown Sugar, D'Angelo was mostly composing in the studio—an expensive way of working that D prefers because he feels it lets him capture a realer, rawer, more immediate sound.

Voodoo was nothing if not raw. Some of the lyrics were mumbled rather than sung, making them hard to hear. But there was something urgent about the music, something at once revelatory and messy, heavenly and earth-bound. In "The Root," he sang of heartbreak: "Left my mojo in my favorite suit...(Yes I did, yeah)/ She left a stain, left a dirty stain in my heart, I can't refute." It wasn't just the honesty of the lyrics that struck me when I first heard the song. It was the pain in his voice. D stood apart from much of hip-hop because his songs and his delivery served up no false braggadocio. He was willing to admit that carnal love had left him not just wounded, but wrecked. And probably would again.

Voodoo wasn't just about getting it on. Spin magazine would call "Devil's Pie," the album's centerpiece, "a sweaty, head-nodding sermon against the evil seduction of hip-hop materialism." But if you ask Angie Stone, the soul diva who was D's girlfriend and songwriting collaborator for a time, she says it was about something simpler: the spell fame casts upon the weak. "Fuck the slice/ We want the pie/Why ask why/ Till we fry/Watch us all stand in line/For a slice of the devil's pie," D'Angelo sings. "Drugs and thugs/ Women wine/Three or four/ At a time/ Watch them stand all in line/For a slice of the devil's pie." Presciently, D'Angelo goes on to chide himself: "Who am I to justify/ All the evil in our eye/ When I myself feel the high/From all that I despise/ Behind the jail or in the grave/I have to lay in this bed I made."

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On how the "fame cycle" of the music business set D'Angelo back:
The guitarist Charlie Hunter, who played on the Voodoo album, says he blames not the "Untitled" video as much as what he calls the broader "fame cycle" of the music business. "There's so much money behind it now that there's very little room for humanity, for specialness," he says. "Who was more human than Aretha Franklin back in the day? You know, a real person who had a real message and whose weight went up and down and who was dealing with stuff." Today, he laments, too much music—and too many popular artists—"are just stamped at the same place in China that they make really cheap plastic toys. If you're someone like D'Angelo—just a music nerd, you know—who's a thinking individual and has some introspection and likes to have real interactions with human beings that aren't based on whether someone better has come into the room, then it's really the wrong place for you to be."

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On Peter Edge, the former A & R man at J Records who is now the CEO of RCA Records, D'Angelo's label:
"He never gave up on me, man," D says. "And I love him for it."

Edge says it's a bet he had to make. "He can do his James Brown-influenced funk man thing. There are elements of Hendrix. And B.B. King. And obviously Prince. But he's never predictable. It's not like suddenly there's gonna be three other D'Angelos, and we're going to be like, 'Oh, well, we could have invested in these three guys.' He's worth investing in because there's nobody like him."

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On what it was like for D to perform in Stockholm in January, his first concert in more than a decade:
"It was scary," D will tell me later, reflecting on playing the guitar in public for the first time. "I would feel comfortable when I was by myself, but actually getting onstage and playing was a different thing. My friend Raphael Saadiq was like, 'Yo, man, you've just got to jump in. Start swimming. Just jump in the pool, you know?' It was good advice. I was nervous up until the point where we started playing and singing, and then it just felt—it felt cool."

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On Ahmir "Questlove" Thompson's role in D's career:
D asked Questlove to help him come up with the playlist for the European tour, just as D had asked for his help on his upcoming album. Like anything D-related, that took a lot of time (Questlove calls D'Angelo's painstaking process "beautifully frustrating"). Since the Roots drummer has a day job now (he's the bandleader on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon), most of the work on the album has had to be done between the hours of 2:30 a.m. and 6 a.m. After one seven-week stretch of pre-dawn sessions and little sleep, an exhausted Questlove contracted coxsackie virus. He wouldn't hesitate, he says, to do it again.

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On D's upcoming third album:
Despite assurances that it's 97-percent done, D hasn't locked his third. Not yet. In Europe, he unveiled several songs he thinks will be on it. In addition to "Ain't That Easy" and the irresistible dance number, "Sugar Daddy," there is a song Questlove compares to Herbie Hancock called "The Charade." "Crawling through a systematic maze to demise," it begins, and D sings the line with a seething fury. When I catch a reference to "the deceiver," I can't help but think: this song—twisted, almost atonal, multi-layered—is about that forked-tongued devil, Fame.

D says I'm wrong. "It's about the disenfranchised," he says. "It's telling the powers that be, 'This is why we are justified in our stance.' There's another song on the album called 'A Thousand Deaths' that is the flip side of the coin. 'A Thousand Deaths' is just a fucking war cry. You know what I mean? The beheadings have commenced." It occurs to me that the Nat Turner Rebellion of 1831, in which slaves rose up and killed more than 50 white people, the only sustained slave rebellion in the South's history, took place in D's home state of Virginia. "Ain't no justice/It's just us/Ash to ashes/Dust to dust," D sang so insistently on Voodoo. I am beginning to get what he means.

I ask someone who has a closely-guarded copy to let me hear "1000 Deaths." It is dark, dense and mysterious and makes the most of D's newfound prowess on the guitar. The lead vocal is so distorted—like the moans and groans of a Negro spiritual—that D could almost be speaking in tongues. The song is compelling, maybe even profound, but it is the opposite of catchy. That's just fine with D. He tells me art, not commerce, is his fuel.

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R.I.P Jamie Hubley

the best thing about it was that it felt more up to date compared to the original piece which seemed to basically reinstate the old dangelo story. theres obv a lot of stuff thats happened since then that doesnt seem to have been fully covered in depth yet...

What the blood claaat ???