I cant think of that hindered Mega anything other than that he is so similar to Nas that the world cant handle 2 Nas's at the same time and since Nas came out first the Mega is seen as knockoff

and also Cormega was locked up and his career had a bit of a delay but still that kinda speaks to the first point as a support

I mean Cormega is just as introspective as Nas
He has more street cred than Nas too
his music sounds realer/more authentic than Nas's too


AZ has a better flow than Nas altho he is a little more one dimensional w his and doesnt get too poltical or make the statments that Nas has made. His career hasnt been as dynamic either and he's had ample opportunity to pull out all stops. hes here in the discusion if you happen to fancy him

but really its about Mega

if I had to rank em
I would go

Cormega
Nas
AZ

Cormega and Nas is really a fairer comparision as their skill set is similar

I just threw AZ in the discusion for GP

I'm a fan, but the guy is as interesting as a piece of toast.

Also, inability to make a hit to save to his life.

Truth is, I don't think Mega even chases success like that tho.

but on Illmatic Nas wasnt chasin a hit either

do u think had Mega have comeout BEFORE Nas they we would be talking about Mega as an alltime great instead of Nas?

>I'm a fan, but the guy is as interesting as a piece of
>toast.>

thats my same argument about Nas. he rhymes like he is just reading his lyrics. no inflection or change in tone. But still it hasnt stopped him from haveing a great career

>Also, inability to make a hit to save to his life.>

I dont think Nas really makes hits either tho. it seems he's to the point that people like him so much that some of his songs get pushed to hit status bu fans

>Truth is, I don't think Mega even chases success like that
>tho.>

mega has stayed independant and gettin paper. i just enjoy his stuff much more

>but on Illmatic Nas wasnt chasin a hit either

You're right, he wasn't, but he was observing his peers with hits make more money and get more acclaim than him.

He also had Steve Stoute in his ear.

>do u think had Mega have comeout BEFORE Nas they we would be
>talking about Mega as an alltime great instead of Nas?

No. I know Mega fans like this to suggest this, but nothing Cormega has ever done has made me think he could be anything more than a underground/street rapper who's popular amongst hip hop heads.

>I dont think Nas really makes hits either tho. it seems he's
>to the point that people like him so much that some of his
>songs get pushed to hit status bu fans

That may be the case now, but he's had hits. "If I Ruled The World" was the biggest song in rap for a whole summer.

Of course, he had a major label (Sony) to push these hits, but when you listen to that song, it screams smash hit.

>mega has stayed independant and gettin paper. i just enjoy his
>stuff much more

That's fine. But that wasn't what you were asking.

cormega never made a radio jam neither did az (az is hot)

semantics softer than couples at wedding alters
this cops and robbers
and u cant hold a candle
rip ur antlers off and hang them on my mantle
str8 rambo--rocket science wouldnt even try it
these dudes cant compare their focus is on a diet~me

And he's one of the few rappers with actual street
cred...he doesn't flaunt it, but he does have it.



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no introspection
1 style he's rode for 20 yrs
had a big willie phase that aliented even his most hardcore fans

BUT

Mega is just as good as Nas IMO

>
>Mega is just as good as Nas IMO

>Mega is just as good as Nas IMO

You realize you're in the vast minority on this thought tho, right?

>You realize you're in the vast minority on this thought tho,
>right?

wont be the first nor the last time my opnion is unpopular

that being said I wonder how many people that say this have even heard half of Megas catalouge to make a statement that he ISNT just as good as Nas

Amongst hip hop heads, Cormega is pretty well known.

It also doesn't help that Cormega seems to have gotten lazy at the wrong time. After releasing his first two albums, he was pretty hot as far as NY street rappers go. And then he fucked around and didn't stay with it.

That last album he put out was great, but it was too little too late if he wanted to be in the discussion with Nas, who for better or worse still makes music that people check for on a grand scale.

Mega had his window to at least he a guy who was poppin for his lane (retro NY mid-90's rap). It's now closed.

of what prevented him from acheiving Nas like success are u saying it was lack of talent as in he just wasnt good enough

or cause he had a pause in his career?

>of what prevented him from acheiving Nas like success are u
>saying it was lack of talent as in he just wasnt good enough
>
>or cause he had a pause in his career?

He was never going to achieve Nas like success, IMO. He just doesn't have "it". That's not a criticism, because, as I said earlier, I really don't think he wanted that career and all that came with it. It seems like The Firm fiasco and then the Def Jam situation soured him on the game (understandably so).

However, around say 2003 or 2004, riding the momentum of those first two official albums, he had a chance to get a lesser crown, the street KONY, but the pause in his career opened the lane for other guys to come in and stake their claim.

By the time he put out Born and Raised in 2009, it was seven years between real albums, and the ship had sailed.

>Mega is just as good as Nas IMO


This explains a lot.....

I know its cool to try to act like Nas loses or whatever and MEga is a great artist

but he is not fuckin wit Nas as an mc just stop it now.

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>Mega is just as good as Nas IMO

that's why
az first lp, those n.o. joe beats were wack
the fact they couldn't get your world don't stop cleared
and had to redo it "live" caused the lp to suffer
he had some suspect beats on his shit
then his follow up wasn't that great

were whack to you?

really?

thats the first time Ive heard anyone say that

>that's why
>az first lp, those n.o. joe beats were wack

N.o. Joe did one fucking beat Block.

if he did only one, then a bunch of producers bit his style and tried that live shit to sound like him
i don't have the credits in front of me. i had the casette.
i'm pretty sure he did more than one

Uncut Raw - Loose (tough opener)
Gimme Yours - Pete Rock (PR masterpiece)
Ho Happy Jackie - Buckwild
Rather Unique - Pete Rock (see Gimme Yours)
I Feel For You - Amar
Sugar Hill - LES
Mo Money Mo Murder Homicide - DR Period
Doe Or Die - N.O. Joe (funny how you would give Jay a pass for branching out like this)
We Can't Win - Amar
Your World Don't Stop - Spunk Biggs (I agree that Ski's original is superior)
Sugar Hill Remix - LES

so what do you know, we have another Block exaggerated comment and view point based off of 1 track. None of the other tracks are even close to sounding like Doe Or Die either.

The entire album is dope as fuck and the NO Joe joint is raw.

if he did, i'd call it wack too
n.o. joe only sounds good with scarface
well, i stand corrected, that's IF i take what you posted on face value
i still stand by my statement that the lack of sampled soundin' tracks ala n.o. joe production hurt az's debut
that remake of world don't stop? nope, didn't work
that posse cut? was that the one n.o. joe produced?
it's been years since i've heard the lp
i don't constantly listen to disappointing lps
sorry
but good luck with your az campaign
i hope you win

>if he did, i'd call it wack too

where did I say he did? if the notion of an NY MC branching out to a southern producer is wack, then that shit should hold true for any MC that did it. If that same track was on The Diary and it featured AZ you would probably have a different opinion but that's because you let outside factors other than the actual music play into your narrow minded opinions.


>n.o. joe only sounds good with scarface
>well, i stand corrected, that's IF i take what you posted on
>face value

I have the cover right here…I didn't memorize those shits…but I'm sure at 40 you know how to search google if you don't want to take what I say at face value.

>i still stand by my statement that the lack of sampled
>soundin' tracks ala n.o. joe production hurt az's debut

how can you stand by a statement that is bullshit due to the fact there is only ONE track on the album that isn't sample based like you're saying? LOL you are a fucking moron Block. I feel bad for the child that has to learn from you.

>that remake of world don't stop? nope, didn't work

the only thing wrong with the remake is that it's not as good as the original. the track is still dope.

>that posse cut? was that the one n.o. joe produced?

Actually, I believe I just posted the exact credits, so NO, he didn't produce We Can't Win. Not sure why you're having trouble with that.

>it's been years since i've heard the lp
>i don't constantly listen to disappointing lps
>sorry

so every Jay album not named Reasonable Doubt or Blueprint must be collecting dust huh.

>but good luck with your az campaign
>i hope you win
>

not on an AZ campaign, i'm on a "dead the bullshit" campaign.

you just happen to be one of the most bullshitting posters on this site.

face it. the lp was underwhelming
az is short for azz
he just dropped the 2nd z for the deep sleep it put it's listeners into

is "underwhelming"

so you dislike the music because it doesn't reach YOUR expectations, or because the music isn't dope?

Coming off as the former rather than the latter and making you look like a dumbass.

end story
don't know why my expressed opinion bothers you so much
if you like it, why worry why i don't like it
and my reasons?
lol
get a life, dude!

I'm furious.

:(

...smh....

i liked a few joints off it
the rest? filler and underwhelming
my reaction that i remember to it:
i had the casette
so after that first side
the 2nd side was downhill
and not really worth listening
that second side sounded southed all out and i wasn't feelin' it
especially for a new york mc at the time

anonymous will come in and say az was a pioneer for usin' southern producers
but that shit was wack and just an example of az tryin' to cater to outside of new york markets...crossover, instead of makin' them crossover to him by givin' up that gritty grimey new york sound.
that was why i feel the album was wack.

cuz it didn't stick to the ethos of illmatic, that hard slice of new york life
instead the shit came across the first few songs on side one with that feel, then it tapered off into some corny filler southern shit

and outside of the pete rock and buckwild those songs weren't really repeaters. they were cool a few listens but they weren't engaging to keep me listenin' over and over for az and his "technical mastery" of wordplay or whatever shit anonymous is tryin' to sell about how good az really is

>
>anonymous will come in and say az was a pioneer for usin'
>southern producers
>but that shit was wack and just an example of az tryin' to
>cater to outside of new york markets...crossover, instead of
>makin' them crossover to him by givin' up that gritty grimey
>new york sound.

that you again are oblivious to your own hypocrisy.

man, get off jay-z dick
that's all you do is compare what jay-z do
and what i like that jay-z did
man, let your favorite rapper stand on his own two
i don't like certain rappers for the shit they do
not for the shit they do compared to jay-z
that's the sad shit right there...how insecure you feel about
your favorite artists to be worryin' about what jay-z is doin'
and what i like and how your artists fits
they don't fit, dogballs
now what you got to say?

to link my hypocrite statement with "Jay-Z"

>man, get off jay-z dick
>that's all you do is compare what jay-z do
>and what i like that jay-z did
>man, let your favorite rapper stand on his own two
>i don't like certain rappers for the shit they do
>not for the shit they do compared to jay-z
>that's the sad shit right there...how insecure you feel about
>your favorite artists to be worryin' about what jay-z is
>doin'
>and what i like and how your artists fits
>they don't fit, dogballs
>now what you got to say?

u brought him up, not me
we're talkin' about az and cormega
and you bring up jay?
case closed

Dow or Die is definitely overrated here. The album starts off very strong but goes downhill after Mo Money. The last four tracks are wack and the album should not be considered a classic.

Cormega's downfall is his delivery. He has a hard time keeping the beat at times. He's dope though. I don't love any of his LP's but he has several cuts on each that I fuck with.

he was just defiantly underground. he got dropped from the Firm and was never going to take that Diddy money. His first appearance was shortly after Nas but he didn't drop a debut (for a multitude of reasons) until 2001, long after he was young enough to seem relevant in an era that considered the likes of Ja Rule, Nelly and Jay-Z kings of the castle. You could throw DMX in there too, who was much more on Cormega's wavelength mentally, but he also had "Party Up", "Ruff Ryder's Anthem", "Who We Be". Unlike Cormega, he had a knack for not just catchy tracks, but HITS.


Cormega's not on that Nas level for the same reason that Nas' name rings louder than anyone in the Wu not named Method Man (maybe RZA): he probably truly didn't care whether or not it did. He just made/makes great music in his own lane and pretty much kills it every time out. I get the impression that's good enough for him, he has a loyal base and he can still call on all of the mid-90s heavy hitters pretty much whenever he wants for a solid if uncomplicated full length. And last year his best of compilation was released and it was a pretty creative spin on the traditional format.


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Mega doesn't?

Nas had a couple of hits but songs like "If i ruled the world" where embraced by hh heads too

when he ventured too deep and tried to force the issue w/ "u can hate me know" and the like he got criticized and his crediblity was tarnished

that forced him to try harder to regain the streets so to speak

I dont see Nas as haveing a hit makeing mind frame..hes too lyrical and wordy for that

they both are sorta montone and laid back personality wise

I just dont see the big diff other than Mega is more street and less willing to compromise

maybye I just answered my own question tho

>Mega doesn't?
>
>Nas had a couple of hits but songs like "If i ruled the
>world" where embraced by hh heads too
>
>when he ventured too deep and tried to force the issue w/ "u
>can hate me know" and the like he got criticized and his
>crediblity was tarnished
>
>that forced him to try harder to regain the streets so to
>speak
>
>I dont see Nas as haveing a hit makeing mind frame..hes too
>lyrical and wordy for that
>
>they both are sorta montone and laid back personality wise
>
>I just dont see the big diff other than Mega is more street
>and less willing to compromise
>
>maybye I just answered my own question tho

Yeah some fans balked at it but his credibility wasn't really tarnished. Most of the hub-bub was about the video and the confrontation between Puff & Steve Stoute. As far as hits go that song had much more of a pop culture impact than "Nas Is Like" or "Made U Look". 5-10 years from now you might still be hearing fighters enter the ring to "Hate Me Now".
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behind him. Illmatic was considered a classic upon release.

this shit isn't even comparable outside of the fact that they grew up together & were associated with each other.

As an Artist and MC..

And I like Mega and all...

But come one man..Cormega in no form or fashion, in any sense of the word, in even the same coliseum as Nas as a MC..

>As an Artist and MC..
>
>And I like Mega and all...
>
>But come one man..Cormega in no form or fashion, in any sense
>of the word, in even the same coliseum as Nas as a MC..


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You may think that Cormega is a comparable talent but most would disagree. And AZ has one flow, it's really good but that doesn't make his flow better than Nas as can kill that same flow with no problem (see "Serious").
I like Cormega, he's more sincere than Nas and most would say he picks better beats. But he struggles to stay on beat and he's not nearly as nimble behind the mic.
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Mega is dope....but is not close to the overall MC Nas is....is this really a debate?

AZ has one style...no range as an artist. Dope...yes...lyrical...yes...but

Cormega is the better lyricist of the three, but that's the only advantage either of them have over Nas.

When Nas has a better ear for beats than somebody, then they should just give up making music. AZ has been making the same album for 20 years, while Cormega has been doing... nothing.

Mega's first two albums were really good imo, then the next one dropped and everybody forgot he existed. The Testament turned out pretty well too, but nobody cared about him anymore at that point, least of all Cormega.

Mega is not a better lyrical MC than NAs...lol

and has more women fans because of it.
And of course he's a better emcee than them.

Not only for the notion that Mega is better than Nas but for the notion that Mega is better than AZ.

not to mention the leaching field of replies that come after the original post.

AZ is on the short list of GREAT technical MCs. PERIOD.

Mega is borderline wack and struggles to stay on beat.

and if you need any further proof…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhCT3cy0iqM

this whole post is a joke just like your Aussie ass existence.

...and im a fan for cormega

Nas is better than AZ. And AZ is much better than Mega. And I like Mega.

And what's this "AZ rode one style for 20 years". Mega is the same rapper now that he was 15 years ago too. Just AZ is/was better. Flow-wise, it's not even close.

sorry champ
az ain't the star mc you want him to be
lackluster material
you say he's technical
okay, sure
let his technical ass make a hit
then he'll get all the accolades you feel he deserves

lol
all these mcs that are supposedly dope
but can't use their mind power to make a song
or songs to connect with the masses to show their skills
but for some reason
they seem to connect with these so called elite hip hop listeners/stans

muthafucker, shut up the bullshit.

foh. lol
the nerve
at any rate. while you were in diapers
i was listenin' to hip hop
hip hop was always about hits
it wasn't until the early 90's when hip hop
started to try to eschew it's commercial fame
for a more underground status and ethos and approach
which was further exacerbated by puffy's approach and
success.
so hip hop became divided
the sellouts (the commercial achievers and succeeders)
and the purists (the underground underachievers and keep it realers)

which side are you on?
me? i'm for dope music, whichever side makes it

And this is coming from someone who effed with his first 3 albums because I liked the beats and I was letting him slide off his "sincerity" and "authenticity".

But eventually I had to admit that I just couldn't get with his voice anymore. At all. Easily one of the lamest SOUNDING rappers ever, which doesn't mean he sucks or isn't talented. I just can't get with his voice and no matter how big a fan of Mega you may be, I know you know a lot of people don't like when he opens his mouth, either.



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and like you, I have Mega's first three albums & gave them passes for the same reasons but it ain't even fair to compare him to an all-time great.

Nas can & has shown multiple rhyming flows and subject matter than Cormega & AZ, if you have followed those two music careers or listened to any of their albums you will notice that they don't shift much from subject matter/stories or the way they flow, it's the same thing from song to song (even though I still will listen to Cormega's music everytime he drops a new album).

With Nas you can predict he will go from rhyming about the hood to rhyming about historic shit, and other things as well, plus they way Nas flows could change up depending on the beat as well; these are the main reasons why Nas is still at the top of his game compared to AZ or Cormega.

Why haven't they been as successful as Nas?

I don't know. Why hasn't Nas been as successful as Jay?

Its just one of those things.

I think Nas is one of the most gifted lyricists ever.
Can't really say that about the other two, but that's
neither here nor there.

Cormega is one of the few rappers with actual street
cred. He doesn't flaunt it, but he has it.

AZ's had a marvelous rap career. Lyrics, flow, content,
Dude is just dope.

I've got nothing negative to say about any of these dudes.


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>
>Why haven't they been as successful as Nas?
>
>I don't know. Why hasn't Nas been as successful as Jay?


In what way? They are both regarded as all time greats....What Jay has been able to do outside of music (his business acumen is impressive) is dope and should be lauded...

But I'm looking at this from an skill/artistic/overall impact viewpoint...Both Jay and Nas are on equal footing in that regard...Hell, some may even say Nas has had a bigger lyrical impact than Jay, but that's another post...

>In what way? They are both regarded as all time greats....What
>Jay has been able to do outside of music (his business acumen
>is impressive) is dope and should be lauded...
>
>But I'm looking at this from an skill/artistic/overall impact
>viewpoint...Both Jay and Nas are on equal footing in that
>regard...Hell, some may even say Nas has had a bigger lyrical
>impact than Jay, but that's another post...

Everything else is subjective and argumentative

I mean, I don't personally care about record sales,
but when I hear "successful" that's what I assume that
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Ppl keep mentioning Cormega has street cred but is that really an issue when listening to music? Do you stop listening to somebody if their street cred is tarnished? Do you listen to somebody if they still got love from their hood?

Somebody posted that Tragedy doc a few weeks ago and in it ppl were complaining about Nas abandoned them but Tragedy still in it with them. It made me think, who cares? Do I expect Nas to hang out in one of the worst housing projects in the US when making millions of dollars? Does his music become more listenable if he did? I don't know why ppl are so fixated on it in terms of judging rappers, it has nothing to do with making a good song or the skill level of a rapper. Tons of the great rappers have little to no street cred and tons of rappers with street cred have little to no skills.