That's just being objective (well I'd have to qualify 'hip-hop' classic to get the ™ approved but that's too long for the subject). And I like Freestyle Fellowships great album more than Bone's classic. And this isn't taking sales into consideration, though it is taking impact, which in some regard could be taking sales into consideration but then you're just working too hard to discredit Bone.


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. . .when we're discussing classics™.

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fantastic damage, fantastic vol 2 and operation doomsday are all modern classics that didnt sell that much.

i see plenty of albums listed as classics in rock that prob didnt sell that much.

i think/hope the 'sales' criteria for hip hop classics will be relaxed later down the line.

it's impossible to have that many classics in the hip hop genre. cult classic? I can roll with that. Cats are calling Puba's 2000 album a classic. Never heard that before in my life. The classic tag isn't even special anymore.

universal classic, regional classic, underground classic, underrated classics, classic classics, lost classics.

i've started rating albums out of five classics.

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>i've started rating albums out of five classics.

~Austin

>universal classic, regional classic, underground classic, underrated classics, classic classics, lost classics.

underrated classics, classic classics and lost clasisics don't belong on the list. underrated classic falls under personal classic umbrella. lost classic falls under underrated classics. classic classics fall under universal classic. you forgot genre classics. so the final list is more like:

universal classic
genre classic
regional classic
underground classic
personal classic

now if one were to develop a 5 classic system of rating it would mean finding an album in each of those categories to compare the album being reviewed against. it gets a score for each of those and then is averaged for an overall score.

lets start a blog.
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. . .failing miserably and getting the weirdest looks from people right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwIETDPZsTA

Fry's reaction mirrors my own to this post.

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i wish i weren't serious.
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let's chat it up in the mu this week.

>i wish i weren't serious.

nah, you have classic, great, good, solid, average and wack. there are over a 100 classics according to OKP. shit is crazy. there are a lot of albums I love but I ain't calling 'em all classics. that's what goes on around here.

...all his favorite albums as classic. Some albums are just good, solid, straight, cool, etc. There are plenty of albums I really like that I would never consider classic.




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>universal classic, regional classic, underground classic,
>underrated classics, classic classics, lost classics.
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>i've started rating albums out of five classics.

i lost it at classic classics.

in its own class as far as albums go to me

Fellowship is still making indie money without a major label and just dropped a great album

to me that makes their original (non-debut but first widely listened to) album more 'classic' in a sense

these dudes started legitimate solo careers off that

started whole styles and scenes locally and through the west coast even to canada

Bone is incredible I love em but I'm sorry despite them coming back recently they haven't had the type of run and local and international love consistently that Fellowship had and has

that album's not universally beloved like that.

**BAM**

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I found that album and its singles to be highly rubbish until some were remixed/mashed up. but a ton of people loved it despite its most glaring flaw. the music was ubiquitous. containing content that was once considered offensive, but in 2003, times had changed so that what was once offensive was no longer.

We know how much the lesson loves him.

He's from Compton, I'd bet my life its Quik and Freestyle Fellowship, one by pure regional saintlyhood (Quik), the other by osmosis (Fellowship).

I really don't think people outside of Los Angeles understand how much The Good Life influenced LA's rap style and approach

As for Bone their influence is all over A$AP, Drake, and Spaceghostpurp, Kendrick tho, i don't hear it

Yes he switches up his flow. One of his flows is thuggish ruggish.

most acts dont

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I've always based classic on my own personal taste. Why should I regard someone else's opinion, especially someone i dont know and will never meet, as a bigger factor than my own?

which is why I have started labeling albums i think as "classics" as "personal classics" on my RYM

what you talkin about are called favorites.

In general, "classic" is only slightly less meaningless than "relevant." It's pretty much interchangeble with "great." So why do I care if teenagers think an album is great or not?

It's about context. When you first become interested in music/genre/style/etc you go to the established classics™ to get a feel for what it's all about. It doesn't mean you have to like them or call them your favorites, but they are the works that helped define that which you are getting into. You can take that point of reference and say fuck all that shit, it doesn't even begin to represent what I like about xyz, but that doesn't take away from the fact that these were definitive pieces in the context. Helping to define or redefine a particular classification of work, that's what makes something classic™ and it is important.

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And yes, there are extremely influential albums that I don't enjoy but I can recognize their impact. But attaching the word "classic", which still has carries connotations of personal enjoyment, to those albums seems, well, wrong.