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2682038, Know Your History: When Ramellzee shitted on Basquiat
Posted by imcvspl, Thu Apr-05-12 09:31 AM
From this great piece - http://www.egotripland.com/rammellzee-beat-bop/

What are your recollections about the whole process of making “Beat Bop”? How did you meet Jean-Michel Basquiat?
Rammellzee: Jean-Michel wanted to do a rap song because rap was coming into power at the time and that was one of the things besides writing on the trains that he didn’t know how to do. He didn’t know how to do wild style or a true burner like some of these things in here . And I was brung into the city by Fab 5 Freddy to interrogate this guy.

And the basis of the interrogation was…?
Rammellzee: What he knew about art. Why was he in the power play position? And to tell him: you need to leave this shit alone and let the real troopers who did do something on the trains get past you and Keith Haring and let these fools know there’s an ikonoklastic war about to happen…

During the process of interrogation I had made a bet with him: I can do what you can do, you can’t do what I can do. He had brought three canvases, set ’em up and got me the paint in the basement of Annina Nosei’s gallery, which was his first gallery like 1982. And in the basement he decided to let me paint these canvases, and Annina Nosei sold all three at his price. My prices where nowhere near his because he was going off and selling well. She came into the gallery and she told him, “I sold three of your best artworks.” I said, “Give me my money!” “Now you gotta do what I do!” He never did what I could do. He switched from trying to do and went to do the song.

*****

I could say a lot about this, but what do *you* think?

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
2682129, prole art threat vs bourgeois art cottage industry
Posted by Reuben, Thu Apr-05-12 11:40 AM
2682303, I honestly dont know enough about
Posted by ABROCK33, Thu Apr-05-12 04:50 PM
either of them or their significance to really comment

dont get me wrong Ive heard "beat bop" and read up on both of them and even saw the Basquit bio but still I dont know what I can add
2682310, read the whole interview
Posted by imcvspl, Thu Apr-05-12 04:59 PM
the characters thing you attribute to keith definitely came from zee.
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am one thing, a musician." © Miles Davis

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
2684367, Homie, you made a post about Basquiat asking hip-hop didn't "accept" him
Posted by mrhood75, Tue Apr-10-12 09:51 PM
I linked either this article or one similar to it.
2682306, yeah but weird enough after Rammellzee passed people tried
Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Apr-05-12 04:51 PM
to paint the two as friends slash rivals

I always thought Rammellzee didn't respect basq
2682311, read the interview to learn about when they threw blows
Posted by imcvspl, Thu Apr-05-12 05:01 PM

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Big PEMFin H & z's
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am one thing, a musician." © Miles Davis

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
2684368, “I’m not interested in money, I’m interested in science.”
Posted by mrhood75, Tue Apr-10-12 09:57 PM
LOL, that's some early prototype Kool Keith shit indeed.
2684336, ^^^
Posted by imcvspl, Tue Apr-10-12 08:54 PM

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Big PEMFin H & z's
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am one thing, a musician." © Miles Davis

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
2684373, u know whats funny on some real shit is that
Posted by judono, Tue Apr-10-12 10:04 PM
On the 100% real-- I know a decent amount about hiphop... but until last week didn't know shit about rammellzee until somebody who I respect but don't know made a statement to me.... comparing something as scratch perry meets ramalzee meets sun ra or some shit like that. I wasn't real familiar with those artists-- I know who sun ra is, heard of scratch perry and never knew about ramelzee... so I went to youtube and researched each artist and dude that was like the dopest fuckn compliment or piece of knowledge I've had in a long ass time.

All that to say this: rammallzee is a dope, legendary cat... never heard his shit til last Friday and I checked like 5 joints and an interview. I would love to hear edan's thoughts on him, cuz I know e is up on all that old school old school
2684375, RE: And that's why everything you post is pointless.
Posted by Austin, Tue Apr-10-12 10:07 PM
It makes sense now.

~Austin

"Where in the world is your inspiration to say the things you're aching to say?"

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http://www.last.fm/user/Austintayeshus

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2684402, ^^ this mthfkr here
Posted by judono, Tue Apr-10-12 11:08 PM
2684405, RE: Case in point.
Posted by Austin, Tue Apr-10-12 11:38 PM
~Austin

"Where in the world is your inspiration to say the things you're aching to say?"

http://austintayeshus.blogspot.com

http://www.last.fm/user/Austintayeshus

http://twitter.com/Austintayeshus
2700515, RE: Know Your History: When Ramellzee shitted on Basquiat
Posted by tapedeck, Fri May-18-12 04:14 PM
U cant please everybody. JMB was still tight.

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2700557, RE: Know Your History: When Ramellzee shitted on Basquiat
Posted by Original Juice, Fri May-18-12 06:43 PM
>U cant please everybody. JMB was still tight.

Right. He was dope and an original in his own way.

Of course he was inspired by the streets.

It's the same these days with artists like Shepard Fairey, Banksy, David Choe, etc.. not getting respect from graf purists. They are getting paid, though.
2700615, RE: Know Your History: When Ramellzee shitted on Basquiat
Posted by tapedeck, Fri May-18-12 10:03 PM

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>Of course he was inspired by the streets.
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Yes. You could see things in the area that was in his work. Anyone have the music his band made?


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2700564, this some shit only white hipsters care about and pretend matters
Posted by Basaglia, Fri May-18-12 07:44 PM
i tried to be interested and then i was struck by how little i care.

this shit don't matter, dogg.
2700577, RE: ^
Posted by mikediggz, Fri May-18-12 08:12 PM