To this day I am absolutely floored at how quickly that sample comes and goes. Premier was a beast at chops, but for this one, he just had the ear to know that looping it was all it took.

The real discussion I wanna have is how sometimes it isn't about how you flip a sample but finding that magic part in the first place (arguably the hardest part of the process).

Now I know that there are many other cases to be made, so if not Mass Appeal, then what is, in your opinion?

but I'd have a hard time crowning it as the undisputed #1, even in Premier's catalog

another one of these to me is Tribe's "1nce Again", but that's more due to the rearrangement.

is mainly because of how recognizable that beat is. I mean, that's arguably Premier's most well known beat. Premier's had more brilliant finds, no doubt, but has any been so successful?

As for 1nce again, you could go all day talking about Dilla's ear for finding a sample that most would miss. The one that baffles me the most is the guitar loop he used for Phat Kat's Microphone Master from that King Crimson song.

I thought it was a lot of chops, but it was pretty much right off the War joint. My favorite Gangstarr song.

it fir both Face and Guru to a T
I don't think people know or appreciate how hard that is to pull off

You could blink and miss that part. Just like Mass Appeal. I love moments like that as it truly makes hip hop such a unique art form in that regard.

...to let you know that one of their songs sampled it. For the longest I didn't realize that it was for "1nce Again" Man, Dilla's ear was crazy. Most folks would've definitely missed that due to looking for something a tad bit more obvious.



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actually, you find the sample of the bass line of crooklyn dodgers
then you're REALLY doin' it big

Most won't even believe you when you show em Jessica, you gotta stretch it out for people to hear it. Shook ones is actually a really good answer, because it's a definitive beat, like Mass Appeal, and came seemingly from nothing.

And speaking of the Crooklyn Dodgers, I think even crazier is the sample for Group Home's Getaway Remix from that same joint.

while making that. what an ear.

to keep it!

WOW

No doubt. That's crazy!

that shit is the definition sinister

because it took people a LONG time to figure that one out... Havoc must have been screwing around for a while before putting that together.

that song is a classic, one of those joints where you don't even think about what the sample actually might have been.

>actually, you find the sample of the bass line of crooklyn
>dodgers
>then you're REALLY doin' it big

both the horn samp and the main loop are from Miles Davis records
the main loop is from the Porgy and Bess album

>>actually, you find the sample of the bass line of crooklyn
>>dodgers
>>then you're REALLY doin' it big
>
>both the horn samp and the main loop are from Miles Davis
>records
>the main loop is from the Porgy and Bess album

how did i not know this

>>actually, you find the sample of the bass line of crooklyn
>>dodgers
>>then you're REALLY doin' it big
>
>both the horn samp and the main loop are from Miles Davis
>records
>the main loop is from the Porgy and Bess album

how did i not know this

edit: holy fuck i just heard it. wow. wow.

I got two friends who've I've known since the early 90's who both used and made beats on the ASR-10 and believe me, when I was making beats on my crappy JS-30 I use to slow EVERY sample down to almost it was nothing but muddy earthquake samples but when one of them showed me how he could time stretch the sample without making it sound all long and drawn out I was floored and realized how so many producers were making beats with sample in the same key as the record but slowed down up sped up.

I wish I had it but when he showed me how to work it, it was a headache to learn and that shit was too big to tote around too, but damn his filtered basslines were so smooth, when I got my MPC I was pissed that filtering with it was not even close to the ASR-10.

Anyway to make a long story short, Havoc was killing it with the beats thanks to his ASR-10.

SO fuckin magical, man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-QS4CTtltg

https://youtu.be/Z9524C1hjjI?t=22

Yeah...I took me about an hour to redo that chop...It made me realize how complex yet simplistic Premier thinks.

Couldn't believe it when I heard it and I love Premo.

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not so much the technical skill needed to re-work the sample, but more the artistic license he used in re-interpreting the original song.

The original: Fried Neckbones and Some Home Fries - http://youtu.be/oJ7ZHTLf4Og

Murder was the case: http://youtu.be/LC2OpFMBReg

This is dope. I always loved Murder was the Case, Dre slaughtered that beat. But I never knew the source. Good stuff. Thanks

i forget the name it's in my itunes
but he replays the flute melody

Tha Shiznit is one of my favorite Dre beats, too.

inspiration. i can hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf1trlNM9vo

whatever the best is, it's definitely Premier.


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"Represent." I just love how this animal snagged a 6 second snippet from a movie from the 1920s and made one of the hypest tracks on Illmatic.

Lee Erwin - Thief of Baghdad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKVOb-ac9-0

Nas - Represent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKYkDwzi-FI

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Never knew that one.

Jimmy Ponder - Jennifer (the sample source comes in at around the 2:35 mark...and, for the record, this is a dope song on its own. Used to study with this on in the background all the time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NppLVfb_Pw8

Common - Invocation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcHUeuV5to

No ID was crazy for this one.

of a piece of a song literally jumping out and screaming "SAMPLE ME!" at the top of it's lungs.

which is not to say that it's not a dope find, cuz it most definitely is. love this song.

but I also think it's a "hindsight is 20/20" moment, as in we're able to say "well that was obvious" AFTER hearing the No ID sample usage on Invocation, know what I mean? In other words if I knew about hiphop sampling, but had never heard Invocation, and was listening to Jennifer, I'm not sure I'd rewind that particular part of the song and think "shit that could be dope..."

Then again, I'm not a producer, maybe you are...haha.

>Then again, I'm not a producer, maybe you are...haha.

ha ha

I vote 4 Mass Appeal.

That is one of GREATEST beats EVER!

Along with Raekwon's Ice Cream sample starting at 38 seconds and beyond.

Earl Klugh: A Time For Love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOhMvVhxD0Y

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>Along with Raekwon's Ice Cream sample starting at 38 seconds
>and beyond.
>
>Earl Klugh: A Time For Love
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOhMvVhxD0Y

That shit is amazing.

other instruments i guess coming to rest and when it's slowed down it has a feeling to it

i don't know what else he added or if he did anything else to it as far as the bass hits in there

i got this statement on tape too
*@robert glasper concert he claimed he was there when dil made the beat*
edit: WICH 3 records? i'll guess we'll never know

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are both good catches

Pete had a mysterious ear. What he was thinking when he was listening through the chaotic "I Love Music" I'll never know. Why he chose the part he did is something that I'll always wonder, and I DEFINITELY would have skipped over it if it was me.

Pete is full of these things though, not sampling the obvious break. Perhaps my favorite is his sampling of Soft Machine's Moon in June for the Fades Em All remix, I'm amazing at how he heard that sound panned in the left and decided to filter the rest out to make one of the hardest beats I've ever heard.

As for Runnin', you gotta hand it to Dilla moreso for his blending of Woody Herman and Stan Getz rather than an outright brilliant find. Dilla really learned from the school of Pete of how to properly mix unlike samples together to sound perfect.

>As for Runnin', you gotta hand it to Dilla moreso for his
>blending of Woody Herman and Stan Getz rather than an outright
>brilliant find. Dilla really learned from the school of Pete
>of how to properly mix unlike samples together to sound
>perfect.

i knew the main sample but not the percussion

wtf bro

WTF was he thinking on that?

>WTF was he thinking on that?

he basically waited to the end of the song and said, "yeah, lemme use this". He did that somewhere else too, I want to say "Can't Stop The Prophet".

And I agree. What a strange sound that ended up making a beat that I would imagine having been made by a madman.

Premier is no stranger to sampling oddball shit. Come Clean, Physical Stamina, Statik, Tha Realness, the intro to Nas is Like, that sound sandwiched between the strings on Come Get Me (sounds like something charging up), or the one on the Voodoo Child remix (sounds like a... I dont even know lol)

Yes it is.

keep postin em... lol



My fuckin jaw has been on the floor on a lot of these.




In regards to the sample Havoc flipped for Shook Ones, wasn't that a mystery for like 15 years, and Havoc swore up and down that nobody would ever find it?Aand then somebody finally figured it out and Havoc became mad depressed lol. I thought I remembered hearing about this a few years ago.

anyone who has that record, which isn't hard to come by, alreddy knew what the samp was

or did those in the know keep their mouth shut?

and make a big deal out of it
I had that record when I was a kid, when I heard the song I recognized it immediately

and had no idea, cause he slowed it down so much with the EPS keyboard action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pNIN4-iiTk

I hear the similarity but I couldn't ever piece what exactly Havoc could do to that to result in Shook Ones. You can probably find in-depth discussions on the-breaks.com forums about that candidate ("Thackeray Meets Faculty")

It was at least 2010 or later till I heard the herbie sample.. so for a while anyone who knew that it was a Herbie sample was staying REAL quiet lol

This song maybe not be on everyone's radar.

But, when I heard the original 2 years ago on a jazz station,

I bugged out.

Percee P - Ghetto Rhyme Stories 0:02 (and throughout)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kAYAEU6FWV8

Carmen Lundy - The Lamp is Low (Starts at 2:01)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xvgo7Kx0zq8

It's at double speed, and even when I double it, I can't figure it out. Sounds like some mid to late 70's soul/jazz.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8MPq5BeveU

It's the 5th bass note from the beginning, sped up and looped very shortly.

It's not even double speed either, it's sped up by around 35. I knew the background noise was a Hammond but that one has killed me for ages.

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Annnnnnd Mobb Deep + Kool G. Rap = "The Realest".

Wow. Obvious loop, but one that I love. And I had no idea it shared a sample with that Lyte song I loved years before.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8MPq5BeveU
>
>It's the 5th bass note from the beginning, sped up and looped
>very shortly.

It took me a minute to figure out what part Primo looped. It's like right at the end of the track. I definitely would not have caught that.

I fucking LOVE that Ahmad Jamal album, but that song's not one of my favorites on there. Premier killed it.

Fucking retarded.

As much as I love Jay Dee (and I'm tempted to flood this post with his best moments), it's DJ Premier that baffles me the most with the sheer ridiculousness of his sampling.

In an interview with DJ Revolution, he talked about his digging methods, which are pretty much as strange as his flips.

"One day I might just limit myself to the "C" section of a genre, because that's the first letter of my first name."

Whatever works, Preem. Whatever works.

...anytime anyone suggests that Dilla is better than Premier. NO ONE is better than Premier. I will listen to an argument about why Dilla is generally the greatest, and pretty much agree. But anytime it turns to how he's specifically better than Premier, I'm ready to fight. lol

I get that way when it's the other way around lol. It's so subjective, though. There is no right answer in that debate.

>...anytime anyone suggests that Dilla is better than Premier.
> NO ONE is better than Premier. I will listen to an argument
>about why Dilla is generally the greatest, and pretty much
>agree. But anytime it turns to how he's specifically better
>than Premier, I'm ready to fight. lol

You could substitute "deepest" with "dopest" and it still works.

This thread is really making me realize how incredible he is. Not that I ever doubted his status, but god damn. His technique is just too classic.

My crew is working on bringing Premier to our monthly party this summer. DJing alongside that dude (and hearing him cut up his own productions) will damn near make my life complete.

What I like about Premier, Pete Rock, & J-Dilla is that all three of them are amazing when it comes to sampling and chopping shit up to make crazy ass beats and each of them always say that the other two are their favorites.

Premier says Pete Rock & J-Dilla are his favorites
Pete Rock says Premier & J-Dilla are his favorites
J-Dilla said Pete Rock & Premier was his favorite

So to me it's the tri-factor of ultimate producers who are always trying to top the other, you know they do.

All three of them are my favorites and are the top favorites of A LOT of people but each had their own sound, flavor, and techniques that made them the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWFVQtg6eDU

on In the Flesh?

didnt Pete once call kanye "lazy" for using his drums. That's some hypocritical shit haha. But it's Pete, so I'll give him a break.

Not the best, not the greatest loop or sample, but probably favorite. When I first heard that loop I had to listen to it 5 times before I realized what it was. Absolutely fantastic.

The thing with Premier is he can kill you with a chop, kill you with a stab, or kill you with a loop. Doesn't really matter. Even a song where you have the loop he will tweak it to something amazing. Take D'Evils, for example...

I've heard that one's still up for grabs. Some have said that it's Boston's "Peace of Mind" but I don't buy it.

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Not sure what possessed him to play it backwards.

Then sing on it.

Dude was ill.

"Ten Crack Commandments" because it's something so simple that most producers passed right over it. I remember an Primo interview where he said he ran into Da Beatminerz right after that track dropped, and they told him, "Damn, why didn't we think of that?"

For reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YknF5saKQTk


And as Doc alluded to above, "You Can't Stop the Prophet" comes from the end of this track. Just two notes at the tail end of a solo. It's at about 5:16:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV28lBjo4TU

>"Ten Crack Commandments" because it's something so simple
>that most producers passed right over it. I remember an Primo
>interview where he said he ran into Da Beatminerz right after
>that track dropped, and they told him, "Damn, why didn't we
>think of that?"

They were by-and-large a loops/drums unit, right? Some obscure selection/timing for sure, but they weren't gonna listen to a 1977 Les McCann record and say "HEY! I should catch those two notes and scratch them live over a beat!"

That's Premier and only Premier.

Absolute classic and still sounds HUGE on a big system.

>And as Doc alluded to above, "You Can't Stop the Prophet"
>comes from the end of this track. Just two notes at the tail
>end of a solo. It's at about 5:16:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV28lBjo4TU

Wow.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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He took a quick strike of a few keys that weren't even essential to the song and flipped that joint lovely.


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>And as Doc alluded to above, "You Can't Stop the Prophet"
>comes from the end of this track. Just two notes at the tail
>end of a solo. It's at about 5:16:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV28lBjo4TU

That's ridiculous. This thread has given me a new appreciation for Preem and sampling in general. I never thought to use something so short and otherwise insignificant. I would have passed right over every sample in this thread. Really shows that you can make something dope out of ANY record (if you're DJ Premier).

I know it's not rare or probably have been found but about two months ago I was going thru some records and picked-up Ahmad Jamal's "Jamalca", loved "Misdemeanor" song and just thought that I need to go and make some tunes for the other gems from this album, while just sitting down listening to each song of course I hear a few Premier samples on it cause he has sampled "Misdemeanor" as well; but what got me excited is when I heard "Don't Misunderstand" and loving the strings and said I should flip this then bam that's when heard the sample from "One Day" it's only like three or four seconds too.

Here you go "Don't Misunderstand" : https://youtu.be/oC1KFO3JPec?t=1m23s listen close or you will miss it

Here's "One Day": https://youtu.be/EsuE8PABZkI

It's just amazing how he takes these small pieces and make dope beats with them.

i agree w/ you here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYUhMb74bjw

thank you, Tip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip31FZx2w6s

me too.

....listening to the original version in that clip gave me that vibe that I felt back in '93. I miss when hip hop gave me that good feeling on a consistent basis.



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like the scene in the ATCQ movie where Busta is listening to "God Lives Through" and it looks like he's about to cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yhWHuceCGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-ZHzPlFWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RwLgA9U_3I#t=13m05s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwZaUB9yimc

I love it when producers make something out of nothing. This is incredible.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKbH8OZHBs

now THIS is a flip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWiAlz1JzM

I'm mainly talking about samples that are so buried in a song that you could easily miss it if you didn't have a generational talent/ear for the stuff. That sample is right at the beginning of the song and has no vocals or drums or anything on it, so it feels less of a "whoa how did he hear that?" than something like Shook Ones or I Gave You Power.

Do you see what I mean?

Pete's "Tru Master" came out in 1998 and when Madlib's Quasimoto "Unseen" album dropped in 2000 when "Return Of The Loop Digga" interlude came on (where he's at a record store looking for breaks) one of the samples was the same Impressions sample that Pete used for "Tru Master".

I was amazed then cause I then remembered what song it was and was surprised how Pete chopped these horns up; Madlib played about four or five other (already used) samples in that song as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo53R9RNsMw

https://youtu.be/t6g0k8h3FzI?t=57

"...And Let a Man Be a Man," by Dyke and the Blazers.

That break is at most a bar/two seconds long. So I don't know if the guys at Ultimate Beats and Breaks were the first people who found it, or someone else found it and UBB remixed and extended the break/loop by a couple of bars and put it on their record. But the drums aren't open/the bells aren't clear for THAT long. I'm pretty sure most artists that sampled it in the '80s/'90s were using the UBB version.

For reference, it starts at about 1:43 on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aep9Q0fSnSk

As soon as I hear that break I think of "Sally" even though I think two others used it that same year, I still think "Sally" pre-dated them by a few months.

... One of my fav pac songs.

Great post…..ish like this is what makes Hip Hop so unique as a music…drawing creativity from creativity….

Never saw this much Premier love around here since I started comin round - was beginnin to think I was one of a few.

GREAT POST.

His prime is up there with any other artist the genre has ever had.

...and throughout the aughts, you would've seen much Primo love on these boards. Touching on what PCProductions said and based on the timeframe you have been posting here, it's Primo's latter output that has gotten much criticism. By the time you have gotten on here, most Premier talk regarding his classic eras had been exhausted. You came upon cats criticizing his more recent output. Even then, you still had a good number of Primo defenders.



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https://youtu.be/RAVAVoZUOjY?t=170

I love that fucking song. Didn't even know it was Dilla, embarrassingly. Shoulda known.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLawBCCUEUQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opWYnUpNtG8

It's a loop, but still crazy!!

good ol lesson days

the way he chopped and flipped it is amazing. how he made that sax and piano groove in a different time signature. i don't know how the hell he heard that.

https://youtu.be/97cMvO-NiYQ
the sampled part comes at 3.18

freddy foxxx - gang star bus
https://youtu.be/lOWRzZhDHb0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-TH3Ey4k5o
Cold Blood - Let Me Down Easy
:20 to the :32 Mark

I'm disappointed I didn't bring this up yet. But here we are.

Primo was crazy for this shit. Movie is from the fucking 1920s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKVOb-ac9-0

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I looked through the post a few times too to be sure.

Well, anyway, at least I'm consistent.