Jay wasn't even close to being to the main feature of Jaz's records, as as the most he had to say was on "The Originators". He didn't even steal the show on "The Originators", or even tracks like "Can I Get Open" or "Show and Prove". It wasn't until he crashed and burned on the solo tip, dipped, regrouped, and then tried again with his mentor's assistance that he got over the hump.

Maybe "Pippen" wasn't the word, he was borderline BJ Armstrong before "In My Lifetime" (the song) and RD caught fire.