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2678512, The Scottie Pippens of Hip Hop: You can still WIN. Posted by Thanes1975, Tue Mar-27-12 02:54 PM
I know everybody want to be Jordan (Jay-Z, Biggie Rakim etc..) but the Scottie Pippens of rap have stayed on their lane, kept their mouth shut, and ate well over the years. Who are the SP of Hip Hop? Who are the ones you like and respect?
Here are a few that come to mind:
1. Memphis Bleek: rode Jigga to championships, got 2 Gold records, ate well off tours, killed intro to Vol.2...living a good life 2. LLoyd Banks: Didnt fall victim like Young Buck and Game (Game eats..I know)..Plat LP and eat well on tour and during G-Unit 3.Meek Millz: riding with Ross...eating good...not trying to be Jordan 5. Spliff Starr rode Busta 4 ever & ate on tour
...those are just some that come to mind
Go...
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2678513, Jay-Z went from a Pippen to a Jordan Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Mar-27-12 02:56 PM
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2678515, RE: Jay-Z went from a Pippen to a Jordan Posted by Thanes1975, Tue Mar-27-12 02:58 PM
Well, hard work and taking advantage of opportunities can do that for a person....good for him...
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2678535, dude was never Pippen... Jaz-O was just a high school coach Posted by nativesun07, Tue Mar-27-12 03:13 PM
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2678582, Revisionism Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Mar-27-12 04:45 PM
Jay wasn't even close to being to the main feature of Jaz's records, as as the most he had to say was on "The Originators". He didn't even steal the show on "The Originators", or even tracks like "Can I Get Open" or "Show and Prove". It wasn't until he crashed and burned on the solo tip, dipped, regrouped, and then tried again with his mentor's assistance that he got over the hump.
Maybe "Pippen" wasn't the word, he was borderline BJ Armstrong before "In My Lifetime" (the song) and RD caught fire.
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2686426, RE: Revisionism Posted by SsenepoD, Sun Apr-15-12 08:56 PM
but lets be real, Jaz was a low class b grade artist at best...dude was never close to being a big time player
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2678523, Do Redman and Busta Rhymes count as Pippens? Posted by Selah, Tue Mar-27-12 03:04 PM
just thinking
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2678526, RE: Do Redman and Busta Rhymes count as Pippens? Posted by Thanes1975, Tue Mar-27-12 03:08 PM
Busta is not a Pippen. He was the leader of the Flip Mode
Redman.....not sure what he is. He was a Pippen during the height of EPMD though....
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2678534, lol Posted by Selah, Tue Mar-27-12 03:13 PM
>Busta is not a Pippen. He was the leader of the Flip Mode
re-read what you typed
"Leader of the Flip Mode" is NOT a resume builder mayne (that's like being lead triangle for the monkees or something)
>Redman.....not sure what he is. He was a Pippen during the >height of EPMD though....
my point with both of them is they shine their best when they are working with others, and when they are solo it's not as great as their best pair-ups
think about it....
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2678579, redman's best records are HIS SOLO's Posted by howardlloyd, Tue Mar-27-12 04:33 PM
n/m
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2678851, Agreed Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Mar-28-12 08:58 AM
Red's best material is hands down his solo LP's
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2678908, thats not true at all Posted by AlBundy, Wed Mar-28-12 11:42 AM
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2678531, Bleek ain't Pippen fam. He's Horace Grant at best. Posted by CMcMurtry, Tue Mar-27-12 03:09 PM
Pippen was Sigel. And we saw how that ended.
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2678533, RE: Bleek ain't Pippen fam. He's Horace Grant at best. Posted by Thanes1975, Tue Mar-27-12 03:10 PM
LOL....LOL
I just meant sidekick..LOL
as far as skills...of course BEANS is Pippen...LOL
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2678730, thats a slap in the face to Grant Posted by melmag, Tue Mar-27-12 10:08 PM
Bleek is more Ron Mercer if anything
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2678778, RE: Bleek ain't Pippen fam. He's Horace Grant at best. Posted by murph71, Tue Mar-27-12 11:22 PM
lol...He ain't even Horace...
Bleek was BJ Armstorng....
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2678866, more like Harvey Grant Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Wed Mar-28-12 10:04 AM
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2678536, AZ owns this post Posted by Delajoo, Tue Mar-27-12 03:13 PM
though the closest one to his Jordan would be Nas and thats a stretch.
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2678541, AZ = Penny Hardaway Posted by nativesun07, Tue Mar-27-12 03:16 PM
so much ability....just got some bad breaks <----intended pun
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2686299, He did ONE song with Nas, he was never actually a 2nd fiddle. Posted by micMajestic, Sun Apr-15-12 02:11 PM
That makes him a terrible choice.
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2678557, Coulda been Lil Cease, but his ass dancin ass naked for guys Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Mar-27-12 03:44 PM
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2678583, lol, I thought 'Crush On You' was his song the first time I heard it Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Mar-27-12 04:46 PM
I swore he had a verse.
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2678587, RE: lol, I thought 'Crush On You' was his song the first time I heard it Posted by Thanes1975, Tue Mar-27-12 05:04 PM
Cease was Lil Kims Pippen..lol
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2678932, he had all the verses Posted by soundsop, Wed Mar-28-12 12:41 PM
they added a new lil kim verse for the video version
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2678591, Phife Posted by liveguy, Tue Mar-27-12 05:12 PM
he didn't keep his mouth shut and just roll with it, but he still eatin off that Tribe shit.
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2678630, shit. phife was bill cartwright or bj armstrong. he wasn't no pippen! Posted by judono, Tue Mar-27-12 07:23 PM
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2679260, truth be told his solo album from the early '00s was pretty good Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Mar-29-12 08:58 AM
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2686760, ^^No it wasn't Doc. No it wasn't Posted by spenzalii, Mon Apr-16-12 03:22 PM
Unless you like angry cursing over mid to just above average beats, anyway...
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2678644, those cats you named are Steve Kerr's at BEST, lol. Posted by disco dj, Tue Mar-27-12 07:44 PM
Scottie was one of the NBA's top 50 of all time. Meaning, without Jordan he still has ( had) a pretty damned good career.
So we gotta find an MC who might be good enough to do his own thang without his mentor. How's about somebody like Ice Cube ( who left NWA)?
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2678711, RE: those cats you named are Steve Kerr's at BEST, lol. Posted by Thanes1975, Tue Mar-27-12 09:42 PM
its more like a figure of speech............."Side man who ate well b/c he played his part"
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2678712, Pippen was great, but he didn't have no titles without MJ Posted by CMcMurtry, Tue Mar-27-12 09:44 PM
Cube didn't just survive without N.W.A., he got bigger.
I think Sigel to Jay-Z is the best one that I can think of.
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2679116, Jordan was great, but he didn't have no titles without Pippen. Posted by disco dj, Wed Mar-28-12 06:41 PM
see what I did right there?
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2686256, right? how do people come up with that crap lol Posted by Ray_Snill, Sun Apr-15-12 11:44 AM
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2678648, Kamal Gray Posted by Frank Mackey, Tue Mar-27-12 08:01 PM
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2678723, Sadat X owns this post.... Posted by subjctmattr, Tue Mar-27-12 10:03 PM
Jordan retires Sadat steps up and leads team to the playoffs
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2679192, i was gonna say Masta Ace Posted by KennyFresh, Thu Mar-29-12 12:08 AM
but yeah, he might be tied w/ Sadat
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2686382, RE: Sadat X owns this post.... Posted by Tonytrouble27, Sun Apr-15-12 07:09 PM
Bingo
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2678733, Big Boi gotta be in this discussion Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Mar-27-12 10:09 PM
he pretty much keeps the Outkast name and brand alive, we all know he ain't never gonna tower of 3 stacks, however tell me another cat who has stayed loyal and didn't pull a Kobe and throw his boy way under the bus?
being a scottie is a compliment when you understand all the big and little things he did and kept his cool and collected jewlery and almost went all the way his ownself.
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2678743, Yup that may be the correct answer Posted by CMcMurtry, Tue Mar-27-12 10:20 PM
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2678795, a rare moment of clarity^ Posted by DolphinTeef, Wed Mar-28-12 12:20 AM
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2678800, yeah, and his solo album reminds me of Blazers Pippen Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Mar-28-12 12:33 AM
nicest Outkast-related anything in a LONG time. I liked it better than Idlewild and about 65% of a certain double album
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2678805, But there's inevitably that last season with the Bulls Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Mar-28-12 12:49 AM
Let's hope Big Boi is a few albums away from that fall from grace.
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2678850, RE: Big Boi gotta be in this discussion Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Mar-28-12 08:52 AM
I agree.
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2678858, damn your right Posted by Delajoo, Wed Mar-28-12 09:25 AM
thought about him for a moment but I guess I see him and andre as a LOT closer than most might (even though andre is regarded highly by me, i just think the two are relatively that much better than so many others)
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2679164, Yeah Big Boi definitely is Scottie Pippen Posted by Alphabet, Wed Mar-28-12 09:03 PM
All Star level player on his own, but it just so happen that he was on the same squad with a once in a generation great..
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2686383, RE: Big Boi gotta be in this discussion Posted by Tonytrouble27, Sun Apr-15-12 07:10 PM
We have a winner. This on a large scale and Sadat on a small scale.
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2678781, PRINCE PO Posted by Original Juice, Tue Mar-27-12 11:29 PM
PRINCE PO PRINCE PO PRINCE PO PRINCE PO PRINCE PO
Monch is at his best when Prince Poetry is not far away.
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2678783, Prince Po isn't scoring 20 points without Monch Posted by CMcMurtry, Tue Mar-27-12 11:33 PM
And Pharoahe Monch, God bless him, ain't MJ.
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2678864, yup.. this might be the best one Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Wed Mar-28-12 10:02 AM
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2679576, makes more sense than MOST of these replies... Posted by disco dj, Thu Mar-29-12 09:39 PM
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2678863, Charlie Brown.. Phife.. Prince Po.. Havoc.. Sadat X.. Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Wed Mar-28-12 10:01 AM
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2678894, you know, Posted by mathmagic, Wed Mar-28-12 11:06 AM
I absolutely reject the notion that Prodigy is so much better than Havoc. He's not, and I've never heard evidence of the contrary. I would say they are equally as good.
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2678902, on albums 2-4, i think Prodigy was better... Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Wed Mar-28-12 11:26 AM
....they were even on Juvenile Hell ...Prodigy was better on Infamous, Hell on Earth & Murda Muzik ...everything after that I feel Havoc has been better ...but on their 3 best albums? Prodigy was better
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2679161, RE: on albums 2-4, i think Prodigy was better... Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Mar-28-12 08:55 PM
Prodigy was better when they were at the apex of their careers
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2679549, IMO Lauyren Hill was Michael Jordan and Wyclef was Scottie Pippen Posted by mistermaxxx08, Thu Mar-29-12 08:41 PM
and for a while they were winning and then Wyclef went like Scottie to Houston and fell off and briefly recovered in Portland and then fell off again.
Lauyren like Jordan came back when he went to the Wizards and it just wasn't the same.
but L Boggie ran that ship and they were winning,but He was never on her level, however he was the best sidekick and what theater came from it?
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2679579, Spliff Star might be more like Cliff Levingston. Posted by smooth va, Thu Mar-29-12 09:54 PM
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2686208, RE: Spliff Star might be more like Cliff Levingston. Posted by Thanes1975, Sun Apr-15-12 09:40 AM
I missed this comment...LOL...LOL
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2686388, *pause* Posted by k_orr, Sun Apr-15-12 07:25 PM
>5. Spliff Starr rode Busta 4 ever & ate on tour
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2686428, alotta folks in here obviously don't watch the NBA Posted by SsenepoD, Sun Apr-15-12 09:00 PM
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2686502, Plug 2?? Posted by ChiefRocka, Mon Apr-16-12 03:06 AM
I actually think Big Boi is the best answer in this post, but I figured I'd toss out another one
Dave is nice enough to be an all-star, lock up 50 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs, but with Pos they're winnin multiple titles.
Prince Paul = Phil Jackson
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2686834, Freeway Posted by theScholar3000, Mon Apr-16-12 05:25 PM
He was Beanie's Pippen for a minute... but Beans ain't really a Jordan either so iono
either way that nigga Free still eatin' good
It ain't easy... but it sho' is fun
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2686837, freeway sorta surpass Beans of late Posted by Menphyel7, Mon Apr-16-12 05:27 PM
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2686846, RE: freeway sorta surpass Beans of late Posted by Thanes1975, Mon Apr-16-12 05:53 PM
Yep, is really seems that way...
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2686843, But Flipside >>>> and the he's on Roc the mic Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Mon Apr-16-12 05:43 PM
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