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2670695, Son House was cold as fukk....
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Wed Mar-07-12 02:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXarV-DjuKo

he had that left hand talkin like a muthafukka...

not a lot fukkin with that....
2670707, Death Letter Blues is so great!
Posted by SpookyElectric, Wed Mar-07-12 05:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jN5vqEyV7g
2670716, Shetland Pony Blues is the shit
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Wed Mar-07-12 06:58 AM
duke wrote a song about a nigger taking care of a white man's prized horse and stealing the horse, then riding it to Mexico to get away from the cauc
massive shit
2670746, true words
Posted by lonesome_d, Wed Mar-07-12 10:19 AM
a recording some of you might find interesting is the 1941/2 LOC recordings... we tend to think of Delta blues as as solo guitarist's medium, and it's true that House's commercial records (both from 1930 and from the folk revival period) were all solo guitar.

But these sessions (recorded by Alan Lomax) have House with 'his' band of the period - harp, mandolin, and backup guitar by Willie Brown. They're cool because they're the only recordings of him in a group setting (far as I know, anyway). They're also cool historically because of the instrumentation - a midway point between rural Black string bands and urban blues combos. And of course they're a lot of fun - aside from the background noise, the band sounds relaxed, stretching out on some of the tunes and ribbing and/or shouting encouragement, making for some great ad-libs.

Walking Blues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9rwsnPJ7aw
2671049, doesn't get a whole lot better than this
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Wed Mar-07-12 07:55 PM
hearing Son in a group is well worth the listen, considering his personality
2671087, yeah those recordings are really great....
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Wed Mar-07-12 09:33 PM

the videos though ..even though particuarly this one wasn't necessarily from his prime time in life in general..... but seeing him play...I mean his style of play really required a level of physical dexterity..... Dude was like a one man band by himself.... that fingering with the left hand he's doing sounds like a group of violins in an orchestra playing real soft in the background .... with the left hand he's like setting up anticipation for the next line in the song narrative....

a lot going on for just one man sitting there with guitar...I mean you hear that(and see it witht he artists where video is available) but I'm not sure if any of the Blues artists have complete package and prolific playing like he does.... Arguably 2 of the guys who came closest, Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson....Son House fathered their style....lol
2671121, well, it's understandable there are no videos from the 1930s
Posted by lonesome_d, Thu Mar-08-12 12:10 AM
>the videos though ..even though particuarly this one wasn't
>necessarily from his prime time in life in general

while Son House was an important and influential regional figure, he never had cachet in the blues record market until the revivalists got hold of his records in the 1950s. Those 1941/42 records were recorded in the back of the country store, for Pete's sake.



>seeing him play...I mean his style of play really required a
>level of physical dexterity..... Dude was like a one man band
>by himself.... that fingering with the left hand he's doing
>sounds like a group of violins in an orchestra playing real
>soft in the background .... with the left hand he's like
>setting up anticipation for the next line in the song
>narrative....

Some of that comes from his open tuning... not sure what he used there but I suspect it's an analogue of open G or D.

But yeah, his fluency is pretty amazing considering he basically took two decades off playing. The rockist legend about how ole boy from Canned Heat 'taught Son House how to play Son House' is pretty much debunked, but (as did a lot of other blues figures) he suffered from hand ailments and did have to re-learn quite a bit. If you compare the early records to the revival period records, there's a clear difference in what you could call the directness of his guitar attack, while conversely his vocals remained just as intense, and possibly got moreso.

>a lot going on for just one man sitting there with guitar...

yeah, but in actuality, it's how much he's accomplishing with how little actual playing that's the amazing part.

>mean you hear that(and see it witht he artists where video is
>available) but I'm not sure if any of the Blues artists have
>complete package and prolific playing like he does....
>Arguably 2 of the guys who came closest, Muddy Waters and
>Robert Johnson....Son House fathered their style....lol

Yes and no... Both of those guys borrowed from all over, and Muddy's favorite band was actually the Mississippi Shieks according to most histories/interviews I've read (though he also described Son House as the King, or some similar superlative). That 'Escaping the Delta' book has an outstanding middle section where the author breaks down where the elements of each of Johnson's songs come from, and it's fairly eye-opening to read it and youtube all the songs he references... the borrowings are plain as day, for the most part, once you can hear them.

But it IS cool listening to the recordings Lomax made of House w/band I mention above, and Muddy w/string band (released as The Complete Plantation Sessions, with Son Simms on fiddle) on either the same two trips or different trips those same years.

And there are tons of country blues guys who only made a few records who were 'the complete package' that way... GP will back Skip James all the way, and my money's on John Hurt, but there's also guys like Bill Broonzy, Sleepy John Estes, Furry Lewis, the little-known Tommy McClennan, and even major period stars like Josh White, Kokomo Arnold, a bunch of the blind guys... there was a huge range in pre-war blues sounds and styles that often gets glossed over in the search for Handy's apocryphal knife-slide player.
2671155, Scrapper Blackwell was a beast, too
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Thu Mar-08-12 07:18 AM
and Kokomo Arnold was one of the best ever at the Hawaiian style guitar playing
in fact most of the Appalachian players had an incredible hybrid technique that wasn't really found anywhere else
2671171, there are theories on why this is
Posted by lonesome_d, Thu Mar-08-12 09:02 AM

>in fact most of the Appalachian players had an incredible
>hybrid technique that wasn't really found anywhere else

most of them have to do with the picking patterns of the thumb in Piedmont blues styles, and how it relates to Appalachian banjo styles.

I don't really go for it, for a number of reasons, but I haven't really heard any better ideas.
2671180, I wasn't around then
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Thu Mar-08-12 09:32 AM
of course, but I'd imagine since that area got a lot of traffic from people coming in and out of the area from all over, the players there would probably pick up something from everyone and use it
2671247, Kokomo Arnold (as Gitfiddle Jim) - Paddlin' Madeleine Blues
Posted by lonesome_d, Thu Mar-08-12 12:42 PM
>and Kokomo Arnold was one of the best ever at the Hawaiian
>style guitar playing

some of the most amazing stuff I've ever heard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5e6HV8Puy4

but yeah, the origins of slide in blues is something I've never read a distinct treatise on and would like to see. Popular thought has it as an American expression of African instrumental techniques, but when Handy first heard it he described it as being in the Hawaiian style. Either way imho it's probably a confluence of influences, like jsut about everything.

Speaking of Hawaiian style, though... I'm also a fan of not-blues guitarist Roy Smeck... a lot of his most famous stuff is on ukelele (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcQYt7xvA8M... the old cameras can't even keep up with dude's hands) but he was great at about anything with strings.

it's crazy that in terms of the record market, I've read that "Hawaiian" music outsold every other style in the 1920s.
2671258, RE: Kokomo Arnold (as Gitfiddle Jim) - Paddlin' Madeleine Blues
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Thu Mar-08-12 01:12 PM

>some of the most amazing stuff I've ever heard
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5e6HV8Puy4
>

yeah man that shit is wild to me
funny thing about him, and most bluesmen of his era, is that they had to drag carry them to the stu; in his case probably moreso than others, the didn't give a fuck about being a star or no shit like that because he liked his money quick
he even looks like a 'iont give a fuck' type of old dude from what I hear he was quite the character


>but yeah, the origins of slide in blues is something I've
>never read a distinct treatise on and would like to see.
>Popular thought has it as an American expression of African
>instrumental techniques, but when Handy first heard it he
>described it as being in the Hawaiian style. Either way imho
>it's probably a confluence of influences, like jsut about
>everything.
>
>Speaking of Hawaiian style, though... I'm also a fan of
>not-blues guitarist Roy Smeck... a lot of his most famous
>stuff is on ukelele
>(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcQYt7xvA8M... the old cameras
>can't even keep up with dude's hands) but he was great at
>about anything with strings.
>

Smeck was something else, he was sooooooo efficient with what he did, and he had style with it too


>it's crazy that in terms of the record market, I've read that
>"Hawaiian" music outsold every other style in the 1920s.

yeah that style ruled the charts and the dance halls too
people were crazy for that shit, a lot of those bluesmen had quite the niche market for themselves and it was considered 'grown folk' shit by the time big band and swing really got moving
2671176, a few complete packages, all very stylistically different
Posted by lonesome_d, Thu Mar-08-12 09:13 AM
Furry Lewis - probably the only pre-war bluesman where I have a relatively strong preference for his revival-period material... not that his '20s stuff is bad by any stretch, but it's mostly somewhat formulaic adherence to the blues form, and I tend to prefer stuff that is more idiosyncratic. Liike this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCqbKdnHZTs - same thing as the Son House one, how much he gets out of the guitar with so little playing.

Skip James - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYK40D_us5g. GOD DAMN. No wonder he had the ego he did.

Lonnie Johnson - one of the most fluid players of the '20s and '30s, equally at home playing jazz and blues and hybridizing the two, and a pioneer in single-string soloing, which he does impressively here without losing any of the bottom end, even in the solo format: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH9GSERDAFI&feature=related

Tommy McClennan - a different Deep Blue Sea Blues - despite the fact that Muddy came to own this song under two different titles, this is my favorite version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc61tRO2PXM

Rev. Gary Davis - I had listened to If I Had My Way a hundred times, and always imagined the good Reverend's guitar style as a manic, frenzied approach. When I finally got to see a video of him playing it, I was amazed at how calm, cool and collected he was. It's a shame there aren't more recordings of him as a young man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDZdy8lDmc

Blind Willie Johnson - fun to compare and contrast his version of If I Had My Way with the Davis version... similarities and differences, but also The Complete Package: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_HjTWVZNQg - awesome boogie lines under the verses, wicked swing throughout.


2671181, damn. this is great
Posted by hardware, Thu Mar-08-12 09:35 AM
2671303, my favorite's gotta be Grinnin' In Your Face
Posted by Wordman, Thu Mar-08-12 03:02 PM

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