has watered it down so much, then you get the delusional talk of a Kayne West being called a Producer and the fact that R&B ain't respected by the business and the sad part its all tagged as one.

if Rick James had have just went with beats ain't nobody in Hip Hop seeing his beats, however he had chords, and changes and full arrangements.

however i can take RJ, P Funk, James Brown, Sly Stone, go on and on and show you if those cats just went for a beat why these Hip Hop Producers would be outta luck.

i blame the industry for Pimping it and pushing it.

old Hustler like CLive Davis giving Puffy 75 Million worth of credit to sample,snatch,loop and water it all down and give that turkey a title of Producer and its been downhill ever since.