I know, I know, to a lot of people, this should be obvious, but I'm one of the (seemingly) few people around these parts who actually likes dude's music a lot.

Yeah, he's emo. Yeah, in terms of bars, he's not much of a rapper. And yeah, a lot of his off stage antics are hilariously self destructive.

But somehow it worked for me. I think both of his first two albums are pretty friggin good, minus a few missteps here and there. I still play the shit out of both of them on the regular. "Heart of a Lion", "Cudi Zone", "All Along", "Ashin Kusher", "Simple As", shit even "Pursuit of Happiness", and many others are GREAT songs.

When he split with Plain Pat and Emile, I grew a little skeptical, cuz so much of Cudi's sound was tied into those two, and the production was as important as what he brought.

I've never been one to tell an artist to stick to something if their heart is elsewhere, because if someone is making music that they're not into, it's gonna be pretty evident in the product.

But yo, Kid Cudi, stick to that other shit. This ain't it buddy. At all.

Lil' Wayne's Rebirth album laughs at how bad this is.

Self indulgent artists around the world take note. This is what happens when your eyes are bigger than your stomach, or perhaps, when you don't have someone in your circle to tell you when your shit is wack.

I don't mean in the live sense, I mean in the 'I can't rap or sing' sense.

I agree with you on that his first two albums had some excellent songs. I still think they were held back by Cudi, lol.

Him trying a whole new genre was a laughably bad idea. In particular as a frontman considering where the main ingredient you need is 'swagger' of which he's got none.

Were you at a listening party or did you listen to a leak?

So far I've only heard the two singles. I think "Brake" is great and "Teleport to Me, Jamie" is okay.

the only song i liked from him is "day n nite" that's it.

smh. I mean it was shameful to ever see him and Radiohead at the same festival on the same ticket. Shameful.

nm

I feel like I'm in a bizarro world when it comes to him.

What is it with this new trend of posers with Guitars...
and it's going all the way up the ladder.

Learn to play first. SMH.

But I agree with one of the other posters, people are giving these half-assed music chords as something phenomenal these days. I don't think many artist take time to understand music theory.

fantasies. I mean have these cats ever heard of lessons?
Or are ego's so huge they don't care?

I actually heard an electro act say that people call him the new Prince. Dude did his entire show with a MicroKorg. I wanted to beat his ass.

He played nothing but a Microkorg. SMH.

>fantasies. I mean have these cats ever heard of lessons?
>Or are ego's so huge they don't care?
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>I actually heard an electro act say that people call him the
>new Prince. Dude did his entire show with a MicroKorg. I
>wanted to beat his ass.
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Cudi made it big with no talent so why should he learn how to actually play or sing or write a good verse?

w guitars these days.

I'll just leave it there. It's sickening. Man I wish I grew up in the 70's and could see Led Zeppelin live at MSG... now that's a fucking show.

The guy is a mumbling pile of shit...

Can't sing.. can't rap...

and somehow connects with an audience who says he speaks to them.

It's the Sarah Palin playbook... I'll never forget hearing ignorant white females saying the love Palin because it makes them feel like they could be president.

It's the same thing.... kids who can't rap or sing love Cudi because they can relate to him.

The hooks aren't catchy and the melodies are awful.

Dude can't SING from a traditional standpoint, however, he managed to get away with it before.

This time? Not even a little.

Yup. The entire album outside of teleport is awful. You know what I think it is? So many of these rap artists (see Weezy too) don't know shit about rock, and if you don't know your history on a genre your trying to work within, much less innovate in, it's gonna come out corny as hell. Of course I don't know for sure how far Cudi's knowledge of rock extends, but I infer it doesn't go very deep judging from these contrived, wack-ass songs.

folks trying to be 'rockstars' in general. That whole... mentality/slang was out of control. It was like seeing a blackman with a guitar was chic - meanwhile there were tons of black guitarists who were fantastic but because they won't get a fucking gumby cut and rock ultra skinny jeans they are overlooked. This is hideous.

>folks trying to be 'rockstars' in general. That whole...
>mentality/slang was out of control. It was like seeing a
>blackman with a guitar was chic - meanwhile there were tons of
>black guitarists who were fantastic but because they won't get
>a fucking gumby cut and rock ultra skinny jeans they are
>overlooked. This is hideous.

Although I don't hate Cudi nearly as much as you do (I like him, but his albums fall in that "OK from time to time" category and don't ever take up too much of my listening time) you're points in this post are quite valid my friend.

TV On The Radio is pretty much the only modern rock band I'v seen with black guys playing instruments that got any kind of buzz. Lil' Wayne and others do it, on some experimental, check me out I'm different shit and people suddenly care.

Granted, I think the majority of people who like the rock albums put out by such artists would readily admit that the musician in question isn't a guitar virtuoso or anything like that. I think they just look at it and say "wow that's cool, he can play an instrument to" lol.

But yeah, I don't know, aside from these boards (and sometimes on these boards) I've felt the majority of hip-hop heads taste in rock (black and white fans) is quite suspect. It shows a lot in the music. Most of the time's Eminem's incorporated rock and roll influences in his music it sounds like shit. BOB's taste in rock is about as corny as it comes.

All in all it's like watching someone in an amateur or entry-level stage be overly confident and putting it on display for everyone. Hip-hop is easy to poke fun at and it's the main topic on these boards. I'm sure there's examples in other genres of someone jumping in and doing an amateur ass work too (maybe some rock musicians trying country or folk, or worse yet, a rap album).

that's giving it too much thought.

The problem with your post is the word buzz -

there are alot of black rockers who get down.

247Spyz
BadBrains

are staple performers but there are millions that followed that path.

Like Mexican Metal - huge movement. Never seen one post on OKP about it. They could care less too.

That said, a buzz doesn't cover everything.

Same with jazz, blues artists.

My opinion.

the music isnt out of character for him and a lot of it works well.

i mean can you honestly say you wouldnt expect to hear a song like The Dream Time Machine, Teleport 2 Me, Upper Room or Efflictim from him?

there's a dud or two on the album but it turned out a lot better than i ever expected.

I wanna hear this.

im fuckin wit it tho.

Is he never mastered his craft to begin with... its not like his rapping improved or his singing improved. It seems like this was done out of spite due to falling out with Plain Pat

I've heard some stories about Cudi being a pure uncut raw asshole.... and this is from people who want him to win and consider him a friend.

I still aint heard all of this album but "Brake" and "Teleport" is that fire

In Feb 2011:

“Pat and Emile are doing their own thing, i wish them well. I have a diff vision, for music, for the world. im just doing the right thing, i come from a different place. people lose sight of the mission. cant expect everyone to be built like me. when people have different visions, you gotta go your own way.”

I wouldn't be surprised if Plain Pat and Emile said the same thing to Cudi that Cudi said to Wale in Complex...


"Then people like Wale get mad that ‘Ye ain’t give him no beats—’Ye ain’t give you no beats because we ain’t f*cking with your raps. It’s not a conspiracy theory. We don’t f*ck with you musically, so we’re not going to provide music for you.....

I’m unf*ckwittable; no one can knock me off my sh*t. I’m an unstoppable force, I’m a bullet. My trajectory is to the sky. N*ggas got to do something really spectacular to f*ck with me and my realm, and n*ggas be so bitter that you hear it in their voice.”

This nicca Cudi speaking for all of Good Music? Who knows what money he fucked up when he said that...

I'm not a Wale fan but the dude did a song with Gaga and Cudi was dropped from a Gaga tour...

Dude has no idea how the industry works...

per album cycle to keep people interested.

He's essentially an alternative POP artist.
Wale's a run of the mill rapper.

It was still disrespectful and down right ignant to put in print.

I don't give a damn if he was on that pure uncut cosmic Columbian raw powder...

there is no drug on this earth that could get Cudi high enough to criticize another man's "raps"

Wale will be Memphis Bleek status as soon as MMG looses steam.

Cudi has a devoted FANBASE he can do 50K and tour the globe. 1 album every 1.5 years

Wale can do 50K and tour hood spots opening for the flavor of the month...maybe


do you see how invaluable it is to have your own style and devoted fanbase?

yes out of 5

a good mix of Pop, hip-hop/trip-hop beats and rock riffs + a dash of electronic music.

though when I eventually heard it, very much enjoyed it.

motm3 will have emile on it.

this is a very Kid Cudi album. Dot and Cudi have just as good of chemistry as Cudi does w/ Emile.

is it closer to the second album or the first?

but i thought the second >>> first

I'll check it out sometime this week.

forever

Cudi is not a surface artist

>Cudi is not a surface artist

elaborate?

if you get what he's doing, you'd respect it

if not, you'll shit on it

I didn't expect greatness,
and I think Kid Cudi can craft good songs.

Some standout tracks on this,
more specifically "Love Hard", "Teleport 2 Me, Jamie" & "The Dream Time Machine"

a horrible cover "Where did you sleep last night"

The rest of the album sounds like filler, but might hit me after more listening...not that I will keep this in constant rotation,
might mix the best of this with MOTM II's best moments.

Sounds more electro...though there's two songs with a guitar on it (over an electro beat). No live drums = no rock. Really, really bad though. He sounds like a slowed down version of the Everclear dude. I'm not even a Cudi hater, this is just really bad with cheesy stock synths and off-key singing with excessive reverb all over.

same as rebirth

You could argue that New Danger wasn't (and id agree).

Rebirth? Absolutely.

in the vein that Walk This Way was
only Wayne didn't really succeed at it
We can argue in circles about what rock is or isn't,
but Rebirth to me, is definitely not.

I do agree with the New Danger not being a rock album,
it was rock influenced though,
and did a better job then WZRD, although it's almost apples and oranges.

more at how WZRD is promoting this album.

Pretty much what I expected from Cudi. It's a progression from the MOTMs. More confident in his skin. And voice. Expanding the sound a little. Yeah it loOks a little naive posing with the guitars and all that. Billing it as his "rock album" or "rock influenced." but who cares. I'm singing all off key right along with him on this shit.

Not mad at this album at all.

When Kid Cudi gets mad, he lets the world know it. The man on the moon blew a fuse when he found out Universal only shipped 50,000 copies of his rock debut, WZRD. Feeling the need top channel his rage in a public way, Cudders aired out his label on Twitter. Read what he said below:
Ok so just a heads up, my weak ass label only shipped 55k physicals cuz they treated this like some indie side project tax right off. So i apologize on behalf of my weak ass major label. And I apologize for the lack of promo, again, my weak ass major label. They tried to rush me thru this so i can just give em another MOTM, but guess what? Fuck that, next album is When Kid Cudi is mad, he lets the world know it. The man on the moon blew a fuse over Universal under-shipping copies of his rock debut, WZRD. The albums was released yesterday but Cudders found out only 55,000 physical units were sent to stores. Read what he posted on twitter about the release:

WZRD. MOTM3 on hold til 2014. who mad??? not me and @DotDaGenius. So its def gonna be tough to find one in the stores guys, I’m sorry about that. I gotta go out and find one too, becuz my weak ass label never even gave us a copy of our own album. FAIL!!! Im lettin Universal Republic have it, fuck it. What they gon’ do, spank me?? hahahaha. AND Teleport 2 Me, Jamie aint on the radio!!!! like helloooooooooo????? HIT HIT HIT!!!


To be fair, I do kinda like "Brake" and "Live & Learn"

They overshipped by about 25K.. LOL.

This nicca always mad about something... I know he has a loyal following of suckers who love his horrible flow but I can't see how 55K in a digital age is a bad thing.

>They overshipped by about 25K.. LOL.

LOL!! IKTR



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>This nicca always mad about something... I know he has a
>loyal following of suckers who love his horrible flow but I
>can't see how 55K in a digital age is a bad thing.
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but to be fair to Universal...i would probably have done the same shit.
Not sure what station would play "Teleport"...
Pretty sure most Cudi fans cop the download anyway

Don't companies give you your shit before everyone else?

this rant was a great way to get promo. I wouldn't have known his album was out otherwise...

Chris Brown's stunt was the best though...

I can independently confirm that this shit is garbage.

and only because they undershipped it.

http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2012/03/07/wzrd-on-conan-live-video/

>RE: It sounds better live, IMO

never heard the record, didn't dig the performance at all.