bold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vzi0FMhMCoQ

i do like the album though, but that is kinda bold.

so it doesn't surprise me that he said that. And judging by the age of the folks at his sold out show I went to(mostly 17-22yo) he may not be far off.

eh

with Section80... And I think he has... Even though he doesn't have as big of following as Drake or even J Cole, but he has definitely connected with those who do listen to him... Hopefully this tour with Drake really helps him reach more people and Drake fans don't just ignore him...

I was shocked at just how much he was able to capture the mindstate and the influence that has shaped that age group. I was talking to one of my friends the other day about it. It used to be that a generation was relatable in experiences and influence almost 10 years backwards but now that window is closer to 5 years. I'm 28 and while I personally can see where Kendrick is coming from, my own personal experiences aren't as relatable.

But you take a 22 YO or a 24 YO who aren't a whole lot younger than I am, and you get an almost different set of values and vices. The last decade weve seen and incredible paradigm shift as far as how we grow as people.

When I graduated High School in 2001, we barely were texting each other and the internet was still getting its legs because there wasnt widespread high speed networking yet. There was no Facebook, Twitter, or YouTube. It was also early in the Bush administration and 9/11 and the subsequent events following that hadn't happened yet. The world was a different place when I was still in High School. There wasnt this distrust and hopelessness and apathy that a lot of kids have today. A kid graduating High School just 4 years later in 2005 has a very different world view coming into the world than someone like myself. We can relate, but at the core we came to relate about ourselves and the outside world in different ways.

As soon as I got finished listening to Section.80 I knew Kendrick had accomplished something very special and very relevant. He managed to speak to his own generation and those outside of it too if they're paying attention.

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The album is nice though.

i definitely see that as the intent, but idk if he always hit the mark.

I'd really like to know? Cause he came a hell of a lot closer to it than the rest of these dudes comin out in the last few years, especially Drake. Kendrick Lamar's music is much more authentic.

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^^^^^^Pretty Much^^^^^^^


I don't really get the hate. It its what it is. Dude dropped the best album of 2011. Period.

What album(s) were better than this. And don't fuckin say Watch the Throne.

that's it though. for a long time I was saying LiveLoveASAP, TM103, Take Care, Watch the Throne, Random Axe, undun, Elmatic and Oneirology were better too, but the past two months have been pretty slow so I got to go back to it and it just felt like going home so it got a little boost.

section.80 and Oneirology are pretty much neck-and-neck for me though, section.80 is just a little more my natural style while Oneirology is more something I admire like in an art exhibit.

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I'm gonna just talk about RO4E and Section.80 cause the rest of those albums are a distant second. I can't say you're wrong about Returnof4eva on the basis of being an outstanding album. If we're just talking insight and impact here then Section.80 takes the crown because it was more exploratory than RO4E. On a purely aesthetic level though RO4E is a beast of an album production wise and lyrically and on those terms these albums are 1 and 1a.

I took that as including other genres outside of Hip-Hop.

Section 80 isn't touching Covert Coup, Take Care, LiveLoveA$AP, Oneirology, or Black and Brown.

I think most people could agree^ with that.

Then honestly on my list it was still below When Fish Ride Bicycles, RO4E (which could have been really good if it wasn't so fucking long).

Ok for real just ignore me b/c I didn't even enjoy the LP.

It bores the shit out of me.

being able to relate to albums (in other words what Kendrick originally said anyone) none of those are remotely fucking with Section 80. I know my generation is loaded with great pretenders and overall dumbasses. But sorry, the "swag" rap of Covert Coupe and LiveloveASAP isn't relating to any 20 something year old's life, unless he happens to be white and have a ton of money.

Now outside of lyrical content.....sure, you can make the case that any of those albums SOUND better than S80 or that any of those MC's rap better than Kendrick (I'd tend to disagree) and that could be justified.

than Section80, not which were more relatable.

I listed a few that I thought were better, I think I posted before I can't comment on relatability b/c I'd wager I'm outside of the window he was trying to hit.

my bad.

K.R.I.T. talks about real issues but mostly his path to making it, and a whole lot of southern street ish.

Drake. . . fuckin Drake. He might have the female crowd and some good moody ass beats but he's "niggas in paris" territory when it comes to being out of touch with current issues, and like K.R.I.T. primarily lamenting on his own story.

Wiz. . . smoke too much.

Mac. . . I dont listen to youngin enough but what ive heard was either rappity rap or bs bragging.

Curren$y. . . not relatable at all, entertaining but he on some street shit most people know damn well they haven't experienced.

J.Cole, again, he might say some real ish but it always goes back to his own story.

I think Kendrick had maybe a couple more topical songs on Section.80, and if not that was certainly more specific in terms of pointing out what he believes is a direct cause for this generations current state.

like...he's really killin shit right now.

take care was aoty level. he's killin guest verses. he's on perpetually.

it's hard for me to even put them in Drake's category because he's so far beyond them in status.

Hey, hey, hey, we not talking talent and sales, we talking subject matter.

It can be argued that as personal as Drake was on TC that a lot of people can relate to those issues, but mostly it was still about HIM. He took it there man but if we talking about reaching a generation and speaking on a wide range of topics you gotta do a little more than cry about ho's, diss ho's, and brag. His most relatable subjects are family and relationships, and even then not everybody can relate, "i dont make music for niggas who don't get pussy", Thats purposely alienating people lol

I think Section.80 reached a broader range of topics than anything Drake has put out and as far as Drake goes on speaking about aspects of society, a little more sincere.

But, there's a reason Kendrick was the guest on his shit and the opener for his tour.

that most the rap nerds on this board don't know shit about and is representative of a larger demographic than any other young rapper.

Put it this way, Drake would be the Jay-Z, Kendrick the Nas if we were to make a comparison. Don't dig deep into that, I'm only using the comparison in a very superficial way (both smart rappers, one makes club bangers/pop songs with superior subject matter than his contemporaries, the other makes very serious songs with little to no commercial appeal).

Young people who don't subscribe to any particular group or mentality can easily relate to Drake. He's hip-hop enough/musically talented enough to appeal to those who like well-crafted songs and the like while still remaining poppy enough to appeal to a large audience. His content is deep enough to get you thinking and move you without delving into anything ultra serious or nerdy that you know no one outside of music nerds is going to care about. That's similar to some people's ways of lives. A lot of young people enjoy clubs, are very socially active and participate in a lot of activities filled with people who regular people who don't give a shit about music or much else outside of mainstream culture (especially college students). They do this all the while still liking the same things they like and can interact in such situations without feeling an air of superiority or feeling like they're selling out or being dishonest. Drake represents that set thoroughly. He's knowledgeable about hip-hop (especially southern rap) and really cares about the shit he does while simultaneously existing in the superficial celebrity world.

Kendrick Lamar on the other hand doesn't sweat pop appeal and would rather reach whoever he can with his message, without compromising his integrity and vision. Thus of course he's appreciated by serious music fans and is virtually unheard of elsewhere.

As for Drake's whole "don't get pussy" line that people seem so upset by and you called "alienating". It clearly reached it's intended audience and annoyed them.

The funny part about serious music fans is the amount of time they spend criticizing mainstream culture than get whiny when someone makes fun of them. Search some Drake blog posts or articles online. You'll see hundreds of thousands of posts and such calling him a pussy or soft or whatever else. It's in response to that kind of thing clearly.

Yet, you'll notice, mainstream artists behave more maturely than nerds at their laptops. For every 10,000 anti-drake rants, you might find 1, if you're lucky, comment saying something like "Kendrick Lamar is a fucking nerd" or making fun of "weird, underground rap" or any of that. Underground rap fans have some severe inferiority complexes.

fixed

Lakai being a prime example.

because you always seem way too serious about defending Drake, like, it's kind of weird, and your defense is pretty much just insulting people saying if they don't relate to him it's because they're losers. and you just did the exact thing you say the "nerds" do.

I don't know why you get so butt hurt over people dissing Drake, you should try losing the "they don't get it because they're losers" rhetoric, really just makes you sound like an asshole, and is really a shallow argument. As for the "he's a pussy" talk, if that's how somebody feels there's plenty of evidence in both his music and behavior to back it up, we can talk homophobia all day but seem be taking some weird stance like you think defending Drake makes you enlightened and better than the people who criticize him.

some people don't like Drake because he pretends to have so much respect for women in one line, then calls them bitches and ho's in the next, but of course you have some fanboy stan defense for that too.

Some people don't like Drake because he's going the Tupac route of trying to become a gangster through his music.

If anything I'd have more respect for you if you named something YOU don't like about Drake instead of just dishing out lame insults like the people who don't like him are actually WRONG lol

Funny part is not at any point in there did I say people who don't like Drake are "losers." I simply stated why his little "don't get pussy" jab was justified. As when I'm not in the mood to troll, I can be an adult, I'll admit on the "Take Care" thread and the Drake vs Common threads I was being a dickhead and trying to offend people. Not too proud or full of shit to deny that. But on this particular post, I didn't even take that route.

I get annoyed about any mainstream act catching flack because he's mainstream. Drake is just one of plenty I can go on about. The majority of people who discredit him fall into two categories.

1. People who have never listened to a Drake song with an open mind and already decided they'd hate everything about this guy from the first time "Best I ever had" blared out of a radio within their hearing limits.

2. People who pretend they don't like Drake because he's "soft" and a "Pussy" but like true sheep and hypocrites like lesser known acts with a similar style. They have identity issues and care so much about being "real" hip-hop fans that they can't ever like anything that doesn't fit into the approved "real" hip-hop mentality. Nothing that charts at a high position (post internet-era) fits that mentality. Most of us outgrew this mentality in high school and don't feel the need to carry it on as adults. That's my beef. Not Drake hating. My beef is simplistic people who still feel like they have to be true to some corny non-existent lifestyle even well into adulthood. Teenagers form cliques, adults from individual opinions.

Drake very rarely tries to be hard. You don't listen to Drake (clearly) so you wouldn't know that. Thus the 2pac thing is out the window. And to show you how the sheep work, half your favorite rappers who talk hard are lying. People don't say shit about that.

As for the whole disrespecting women, again you don't listen to Drake. He's among the few to have the balls making an ENTIRE song (not just a couple of lines) propping up women. He usually talks ill of them when he's doing that whole venting talking about women I know kind of shit. If you really got all nerdy and did a count, I guarantee he'd have more pro-women lines than 90% of rappers, regardless of amount of disrespectful lines. There's hypocrisy there too, 'cause a ton of underground rappers get passes on all of their contradictions.

And to please you, I can say plenty of things I don't like about Drake. I wouldn't pretend he's an extremely good MC (many of his contemporaries are miles ahead of him in that department). I never watch music videos nor read interviews, just listen to the music (cause yeah, his image certainly can be annoying).

So dig deeper if you want. But that's it. I'm not calling anybody "losers" I'm just past that whole allegiance to real hip-hop. I got an allegiance to my own individual preferences and that's about it.

See my trick is to purposely use bad grammar and ignorant phrases to dupe the person into thinking their reply will automatically sound more intelligent than my challenge.

I listen to Drake dude, he's a great artist and his songs are the shit, and even being the loser of a "nerd" you think I am I do relate to his music on the very aspects I listed previously, family and relationship issues. So for all your future posts realize you voluntarily enter the realm of ignorance when you make assumptions about some anonymous person on a screen.

and again, you are an ass, you took the "you seem like you took offense to what I said when I clearly meant what I said as an insult so I'll insult you for being insulted" route.

Calling people nerds and saying they don't live a "healthy", "social" lifestyle is no different than calling a person a loser, seriously, if you had any sense you would realize that somebody calling Drake a pussy, you calling someone a nerd, and Drake saying that people who don't like him don't get pussy are one in the same. A self righteous closed minded person insulting or categorizing anyone who doesn't agree with them.

His main subjects may be his history and females, but only a clown would deny his recent tough talk, especially said talk on a lead single.

and as far his "propping up women" goes, dude, you got problems, every criticism you cite as a reason to disregard his naysayers is the same shit you do in the same post lol

Drake is a great artist with an annoying voice, dope beats, strong subject matter, and longevity out the ass, but to say that Take Care is more culturally relevant than Section.80 when Take Care's biggest cultural reference was probably "the Black American dad story" line is just ignorant. This thread was about Section.80 being an album that can speak for a generation, and if you think an album primarily about relationship issues, blowing money, being famous, and being mad about people who don't like you is more relevant then that's your world.

you're intelligent. Let's give you a little lesson. I know you're proud of your little bait thing, but I wasn't taking bait, I was dropping the trolling/intentionally pissing people off and being mature with you. Since you decided that's how you wanna roll, we'll just say any literate person with any understanding of grammar, rhetoric or fuck, even reading comprehension would clearly notice there is only a minimal leap in intelligence between your "bait post" and your "look I'm smart" post. Past that, I ain't saying nothing. You said it all for me.

>See my trick is to purposely use bad grammar and ignorant
>phrases to dupe the person into thinking their reply will
>automatically sound more intelligent than my challenge.
>
>I listen to Drake dude, he's a great artist and his songs are
>the shit, and even being the loser of a "nerd" you think I am
>I do relate to his music on the very aspects I listed
>previously, family and relationship issues. So for all your
>future posts realize you voluntarily enter the realm of
>ignorance when you make assumptions about some anonymous
>person on a screen.

>Drake is a great artist with an annoying voice, dope beats,
>strong subject matter, and longevity out the ass, but to say
>that Take Care is more culturally relevant than Section.80
>when Take Care's biggest cultural reference was probably "the
>Black American dad story" line is just ignorant. This thread
>was about Section.80 being an album that can speak for a
>generation, and if you think an album primarily about
>relationship issues, blowing money, being famous, and being
>mad about people who don't like you is more relevant then
>that's your world.

^I never said at any point that Take Care is more relatable than Section 80. In fact scroll down to my comment that says "I agree" regarding Section 80 being the most relatable for it's generation. I suppose you just "voluntarily entered into the realm of ignorance when you make assumptions about some anonymous person on a screen."

Now I'm going to enter the "realm" of humility and remind you I didn't diss you in any way so there's no reason to get up in arms. If I did previously, my apologies, I can be a dickhead at times.

Because I knew you would look past the last part of my post stating my overall opinion of Drake and admission that we got off subject bickering with each other.

So thank you for showing what an egotistical asshole you really are and proving how prejudice and judgmental you truly are, because you made your saving grace post AFTER you replied to mine.

You're a hateful person with a superiority complex. . . don't worry, message boards will serve you well.

But thank you for trying to use a quote of me as reason to contradict me, because it was so rewarding to see how it didn't work.

I'd also like to point out your typo just to be petty. Dude, the second you respond to this type of shit you fall below any standard you set, please realize I'm fucking with you, and future response on your part will have other people laughing.

and as far as your wack ass rebuttal, no, you didn't say Take Care was more on point than Section.80, but your bitch made defense of Drake implied that you didn't understand what this post was about and thus the need to set you straight.

You are a Stan, you are sensitive, you get offended easily, this isn't for you, just anybody cursed with the misfortune of reading your reply.

Lakai, you might be smart but your hateful nature undermines anything you might have to say. . . and this is a message board so who gives a fuck lol

>So for all your
>future posts realize you voluntarily enter the realm of
>ignorance when you make assumptions about some anonymous
>person on a screen.

They say three is a charm. Make some more assumptions homes.

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^Do a few, re-read my responses and then give it another go.

I've apologized multiple times for whatever offense I've 'caused you and consistently ignored your jabs. So I'll continue being an adult, you can be whatever you feel like being my friend. May you enjoy your day and experience good fortune in all of your pursuits.

you are pathetic, I don't get your mindset but I hope it gets you through your day.

Insulting people and thinking you are better than them does not make you a good person, why you don't see that is lost in your worthless little personality.

and no, I'm not contradicting myself lol

>like...he's really killin shit right now.
>
>take care was aoty level. he's killin guest verses. he's on
>perpetually.
>


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"When the music stops he falls back into this abyss."

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I find the hate for below the heavens to be odd.

People started hating it when others started over praising it but that album is great.

>I find the hate for below the heavens to be odd.
>
>People started hating it when others started over praising it
>but that album is great.

*shrugs*

Seriously?

I like the album a lot but I don't see it as a flawless piece of music.

I rocked below the heavens all the way through and still can.

I just find it funny that the Below The Heavens hate started after people started to over praise dude.

Lol

'No Greater Love' is plain amazing..

But I still think Kendick is a far superior MC to Blu.

>'No Greater Love' is plain amazing..
>
>But I still think Kendick is a far superior MC to Blu.

Their both good MCs and both have a distinct style.

I just think BTH came together better as an entire album than section 80...and even with that said, Im not even challenging the fact that people may like section 80 better. I'm just calling bullshit on people trying to set themselves apart by saying that BTH isn't a good album.

There was a lot of conversation about that when Give Me Flowers Dropped.

That album wasn't out for more than a day and people were on here screaming how it is without a doubt better than BTH.

People on the Internet love to jump the gun on their statements just so they can feel different.

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I even have Overly Dedicated, which i still would argue is the better written album is better than BTH. but than again I'm a Crac, NoYork, Johnson&Jonson type of Blu guy

AWESOME songs.
as a whole, it's not memorable to me.

I think Section 80 is stronger, but i wouldn't say it "shits" on it.

>AWESOME songs.
>as a whole, it's not memorable to me.
>
>I think Section 80 is stronger, but i wouldn't say it "shits"
>on it.

BTH is chore to listen to. Blu has done much better. That said, Blu wishes he had Kendrick's ability to fuse ferocious rapping with odd/interesting song structure. I'd actually like to see them work together. I think Kendrick could help Blu flesh out some of his ideas.

Talk about revisionsim.

From 2007-2010, BTH was almost universally acclaimed (on OKP) as one of the best rap albums of the decade.

not even the symmetrical play from kid n play jount but the nappy who cares type flattop ala qtip in the left my wallet in el segundo video

as for lil man being relatable...i guess. gibbs is more relatable to ME but i aint the target demo


do or die

like...iont think the hardest of niggas can relate to his character & rawness.

dudes immoral & nihilistic & insanely talented

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jWnydgvoE4

i care abt me, my family, my friends in that order & in an esoteric/philosophic manner my people but overall if you didnt come out my nuts or didnt bleed for me, i dont give a fuck if you make it or not for real. i dont want to see you fail, ill applaud your success if it comes but ultimately *shrug* whatever happens to u, is meaningless. blame america


do or die

>dudes immoral & nihilistic & insanely talented
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jWnydgvoE4
>
>i care abt me, my family, my friends in that order & in an
>esoteric/philosophic manner my people but overall if you didnt
>come out my nuts or didnt bleed for me, i dont give a fuck if
>you make it or not for real. i dont want to see you fail, ill
>applaud your success if it comes but ultimately *shrug*
>whatever happens to u, is meaningless. blame america
>
>
>do or die

I can't get past his voice, or Fuck Your Ethnicity
and that alien shit or his singing.

My bro loves him though, and he was born in the 80's, tried putting me on.

I can't comment though, I'm not part of his gen.

Eh

At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love © Ernesto Guevara

if you've been around enough real shit in the hood, it would hit you

I mean, Keisha's Song made me empathetic to prostitution

even the hard songs are more "this is what goes through the mind of a killer" than "I'll kill you"

it's a flawless piece of work

>if you've been around enough real shit in the hood, it would
>hit you
>
>I mean, Keisha's Song made me empathetic to prostitution
>
>even the hard songs are more "this is what goes through the
>mind of a killer" than "I'll kill you"
>
>it's a flawless piece of work

>it's a flawless piece of work

By any means

but i got the gist of his comment

just pointing that out.

and while I do like Keisha's Song, I can't help but think if another MC did that type of track with that dude singing the hook…it would get a different response.

His show in DC was full of niggas my age too.

as far as i can see for him to be acting like that shit is illmatic or something tho

For this generation.....shit will be comparable to Illmatic.....it hasn't even been a year yet....let Section.80 live a little


I remember when Illmatic dropped i was a senior in high school it released in April or May i believe....I got the cassette from Webbs on Ridge Ave in June right before my prom....Me and my man and these jawns had got a room for the weekend by Dorney Park....listened to that damn tape all weekend


It wasn't til i was going to Temple that September that i really really started to understand how good that album was....


Give it time...I'm not saying it's better than Illmatic but for this generation, i think it's their Illmatic

outside of Kendrick, that is. I don't know anybody IRL who's a regular old music listener and has any idea who Kendrick is.

Most of the arguments in this thread remind me of Maxx's D'Angelo vs. R. Kelly post. Both artists are extremely good at what they do IMO, but one of them is at a distinct disadvantage in this disagreement on a board like the Lesson.

My personal opinion is this generation can't have an Illmatic, because this generation has too many other options. We won't have a Thriller or a Cosby show either. That's fine, it is what it is.

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declarative statements.

most ppl I know haven't even heard of this nigga.

outside of Kendrick, that is. I don't know anybody IRL who's a regular old music listener and has any idea who Kendrick is.

Most of the arguments in this thread remind me of Maxx's D'Angelo vs. R. Kelly post. Both artists are extremely good at what they do IMO, but one of them is at a distinct disadvantage in this disagreement on a board like the Lesson.

My personal opinion is this generation can't have an Illmatic, because this generation has too many other options. We won't have a Thriller or a Cosby show either. That's fine, it is what it is.

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that has nothing to do with anything though

it didn't get over on being an embodiment of youth culture or articulating a generation's voice (note: I am out of the demo to determine whether Kendrick's album does this & as a result I'm not sure I care about that).

Illmatic got to the level it's at because Nas was a rhyming prodigy & he got assists from some of that era's best NYC producers to make a great album.

An album far greater than Section 80 (which is still pretty damn great, on the short list for rap album of 2011 for my ears).

But you falling into a 'this generation can't have an Illmatic' then in the same breath equating Illmatic to Thriller & The Cosby Show is a false premise that indicates you might not have been alive or old enough to remember how big/important/widespread those things were.

Comparing Illmatic to Thriller in terms of the public conciousness is far more disingenous than someone comparing Section 80 to Illmatic.

i disagree but i'm actually curious to hear an argument on this one.

The beginning with the homage to the early 00's music w/the I'm from the hood and I'm gon make it themes.

"Kick Push" and "I Gotcha" being the extremes of what younger hip-hop fans consider commercial. The ladder would be more effective if it had a better beat but it's basically nerdy swag music.

"The Instrumental" is how hip-hop can mix with the Linkin Park/RadioHead/Portishead sounds...after this a lot of people opened up their rap minds to try to listen to something different.

"He Say/She Say" everyone relates to bad parenting...

"Sunshine" is where things get different from Section:80. Whereas Kendrick gives off the vibe that he can "get bitches", Lu in this song (and "and he gets the girl" which this song prolly replaced) shows that he isn't invincible amongst women...he's nervous and unsure, but he tries and succeeds. That is more relatable (not a word) than any Lamar girl song yet.

"Daydreaming" doesn't fit the album really and caters to nerds more than everyone else. It doesn't fit my argument either.

"The Cool" "American Terrorist" and "Hurt Me Soul" has the feel that Lu knows that you know what he's talking about (which this gen does...they know about death & racism) but you don't FEEL it enough.

"Pressure" doesn't fit....if he was gonna do a song with Jay-Z he should've did a new one.

"The Emperor's Soundtrack" is a posse cut that you can feel about you and your crew. This song much like the rest of the LP gives the feel that you lived just what Lu did, musically & message wise.

This isn't to discredit Lamar's work at all...it's a great tape. I just don't think you get a Section:80 without a "Food & Liquor"

Lupe veers into corny territory a lot more than Kendrick ever does.

The last part I can definitely agree with, the whole no Food and Liquor no Section 80 but I think Section 80 is an example of that style being advanced immensely. If I had to call one the main influence (haters get prepared) I'd say Kanye West's College Dropout, moreso than any other album, is responsible for rappers like Kendrick Lamar. I know that whole everyman thing was going on long before Kanye in the underground, but he did bring it to the mainstream (especially so for people presently in their twenties).

Section 80 to me is the perfect balance that previous rappers never achieved. They were often times too personal and too simplistic. Kendrick managed to speak on his life and make it relatable while at the same time addressing social/cultural/problematic aspects of his generation.

did not feel Anything about his verse on the drake. not one line

People have broken it down for me and tried to make me admit it's deep or whatever word they want to use but I think it indulges a lot of the things I initially had a lot of trouble with Kendrick for and felt he curbed really well for Section.80.

I'm not some crusader against abstraction in rap, either: Subtle's trilogy of albums for anticon. is a personal favorite. I just don't think Kendrick is that good at doing it.

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probably best of last year for me, and I thought that feature was overhyped too. Doesn't display anything of what he's like on Section 80. I mean I see what he was trying to do, but like Nodima I just don't think he did it right or effectively.

i thought the verse was very dope even if there werent any standout lines.

it would be deemed lackluster/lukewarm/average at best.

it would be at worst his third best album by default

assuming he remains on the hot streak he's been on pre-nigger tape (this is the title of a real mixtape, I don't know what else to call it © alec baldwin) onwards


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A couple of the choruses are average, but still better than anything Nas can pull off.

>it would be deemed lackluster/lukewarm/average at best.

but nah, in terms of the actual production on this album, it's pretty strong & well put together.

Not sure why anyone would waste time crowbarring how a Nas album with these beats/concepts/content/vibe/etc would be panned.

Some of y'all in this forum overthink yourselves into a corner.....then come out sobbing, swinginging stupidly at thin air & wind up looking like this http://gifsoup.com/view2/3176318/cuba-gooding-jr-air-fighting-o.gif

I know I'm not the only one who likes Nas but just happens to think he picks a lot of shitty beats for some of his more recent albums.

His recent shit, Nasty, the verse on Carter 4 and his feature on Ross' latest mixtape all sounded good as hell, cause he brought it with the rapping (as always) and actually did it over a dope beat.

no hate but dude has a career trajectory of Lupe Fiasco.

Drake fits this description better than KL.
WEEZY (carter 3 specifically) fits this description better than KL.
Cudi (for suburban kids) fits this description better than KL.

you see in this day, the niches are spread TOOO thin amongst fans for this statement to hold any truth.

It's all about the sum of the parts on Section.80. I'm stannin the fuck out of this thread and I don't care. You can listen to each of these songs on their own and have a really good isolated experience, but when put together the motif of this album jumps out at you, and not in an obvious way. Its very vicarious but it's deliberate in that at the same time. Kendrick gives you the whole package here. He wears so many hats on this shit. The story tellin is top fuckin notch and its hardly ever self serving. He's givin you a tour.

Esp. Wayne.

basura

and he's right.