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2621948, Grind Date: is there a better new millenium rap album
Posted by Invisiblist, Mon Oct-31-11 08:15 AM
by an artist/group who came to prominence before BIG?

I think Nas is the only contender. I know I am going to eat those words.
2621952, The Fix
Posted by CMcMurtry, Mon Oct-31-11 08:25 AM
2621983, Exactly!
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Oct-31-11 09:23 AM
Don't know why niggas act like Face doesn't exist here.
2622058, cosign.
Posted by cidolfas, Mon Oct-31-11 12:05 PM
2622436, Co-sign
Posted by dundee, Tue Nov-01-11 01:02 AM
2622445, Great Album
Posted by makaveli, Tue Nov-01-11 01:18 AM
2621961, here's 10...
Posted by david bammer, Mon Oct-31-11 08:51 AM
freddie foxxx - industry shakedown
erick sermon - chilltown, ny
erick sermon - music
large professor - 1st class
gangstarr - the ownerz
ll cool j - the g.o.a.t.
black moon - total eclipse
a.g. - get dirty radio
kool g rap - the giancanna story
dj quik - under he influence

2621964, RE: here's 10...
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Mon Oct-31-11 08:53 AM
>freddie foxxx - industry shakedown

good pick


>erick sermon - chilltown, ny

nope


>erick sermon - music

nope


>large professor - 1st class

not a bad choice


>gangstarr - the ownerz

this shit was great-let Dilla use something else besides hi-hats to drive the beats like Primo did and watch these assholes go nute


>ll cool j - the g.o.a.t.

fuck no


>black moon - total eclipse

no


>a.g. - get dirty radio

dope, but nope


>kool g rap - the giancanna story

good pick


>dj quik - under he influence

hell no
>
>
2621968, RE: here's 10...
Posted by david bammer, Mon Oct-31-11 08:57 AM
>>erick sermon - chilltown, ny
>
>nope

imo, better than grind date.

>>black moon - total eclipse
>
>no

this was as good as grind date imo.
2621969, Am I the only person who really likes ''Total Eclipse''?
Posted by Ishwip, Mon Oct-31-11 09:01 AM
>>black moon - total eclipse
>
>no

Out of all the BCC releases the only albums I have ahead of it are "Enta da Stage" and "Da Shinin'".


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2621971, we can go tit for tat...
Posted by david bammer, Mon Oct-31-11 09:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh1vz243y84

this one song is more satisfying to me than anything on grind date.
but i realize that's subjective.

there was at least 6 dope joints on total eclipse.
it was better than their 2nd one.
2621974, Okay, see, this isn't gonna work.
Posted by Invisiblist, Mon Oct-31-11 09:09 AM
Because Dah Shinin' isn't even the best release by THAT GROUP.
2621985, Dah Shinin' is easily Smif-N-Wessun's best album
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Oct-31-11 09:30 AM
2621996, Dah Shinin' is the best BCC album period
Posted by Anonymous, Mon Oct-31-11 10:03 AM
I place that album in the A- list right behind Illmatic, Cuban Linx, Infamous and albums like those.

Easily Top 20 hip-hop album from the mid-90s, if not 10.
2622035, ^
Posted by Ishwip, Mon Oct-31-11 11:22 AM
>I place that album in the A- list right behind Illmatic,
>Cuban Linx, Infamous and albums like those.
>
>Easily Top 20 hip-hop album from the mid-90s, if not 10.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2622667, yup
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Tue Nov-01-11 01:11 PM
2622669, agreed
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Nov-01-11 01:14 PM
2621976, I made a post about how dope that album was and
Posted by Anonymous, Mon Oct-31-11 09:10 AM
it tanked.

I thought is was a great record. That Nottz joint was crazy.

I also liked SNW's Reloaded and I really like Monumental as well.

*shrugs*

maybe that's just because those albums are true to their sound and a lot of people are past that?

I don't know but I liked all of those albums.

2621980, RE: I made a post about how dope that album was and
Posted by Ishwip, Mon Oct-31-11 09:14 AM
>it tanked.

I woulda been in there if I saw it.

>I thought is was a great record. That Nottz joint was crazy.
>
>I also liked SNW's Reloaded and I really like Monumental as
>well.
>
>*shrugs*
>
>maybe that's just because those albums are true to their sound
>and a lot of people are past that?
>
>I don't know but I liked all of those albums.

Yeah, I guess it might be that.

"Total Eclipse" and "War Zone" both had that thick boom-bap I still love.

"Reloaded" was really good, too.

"Monumental" I only listened to once and it didn't stick at the time, but I'll revisit at some point. It came out around the time I had a lot of other stuff in rotation.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2621984, see, maybe I'm biased but
Posted by Anonymous, Mon Oct-31-11 09:25 AM
Monumental is a dope record. I feel Pete gave them tracks that they could excel on.

There are some great moments on that album and really no bad ones.

There are a few songs that if released by (insert popular rapper here) produced by (insert popular producer here) it would be a hit.

Reloaded was really dope imo. The production on that album is great hip-hop.
2621965, Ownerz? Better than Grind Date?
Posted by Invisiblist, Mon Oct-31-11 08:54 AM
no way.
2621966, here's a couple more...
Posted by david bammer, Mon Oct-31-11 08:55 AM
common sense - be
pete rock - petestrumentals
and of course, we could count ja˙-z of hawaiian sofie fam...
2621977, AW CRAP. Be. DAMMIT.
Posted by Invisiblist, Mon Oct-31-11 09:10 AM
New king.
2622021, none of the above
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Mon Oct-31-11 11:10 AM
2622435, WOW... none of those are better
Posted by astralblak, Tue Nov-01-11 01:00 AM
i realize why i don't dig your ideas on music, because ur taste is so damn suspect/awful
2622466, wow that list is HORRIBLE
Posted by Hellyeah, Tue Nov-01-11 04:35 AM
2622471, grind date wasn't all that to me...
Posted by david bammer, Tue Nov-01-11 04:43 AM
and when i say better they might not be better albums in the tradional way people try to judge albums. "cohesiveness" or whatever...
i got more spins out of all of those either for 1 or 2 songs that hooked or whatever the reason might be than i did out of grind date.

grind date is one of those albums where the instrumental version is more enjoyable than the retail imo.
2622608, Ownerz Is Highly Underrated IMO
Posted by makaveli, Tue Nov-01-11 11:00 AM
2622016, grind date, be, the fix, stillmatic, distant relatives,
Posted by justin_scott, Mon Oct-31-11 10:55 AM
one of those, though imo they all could be the best album.
2622024, MASTA ACE - DISPOSABLE ARTS
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Mon Oct-31-11 11:12 AM
....some might say LOONG HOT SUMMER as well
2622028, BLAQ POET - THE BLAQPRINT
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Mon Oct-31-11 11:15 AM
...not as good as grind date, but its up there along with Gang Starr's "The Ownerz"
2622467, LOL that snoozefest got forgotten like 1 week after release by
Posted by Hellyeah, Tue Nov-01-11 04:38 AM
everyone
2622541, most of it was stuff that had already dropped...
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Tue Nov-01-11 09:08 AM
...the individual songs had more life when they came out prior to the album ...but yeah, it was on some "already heard this..next" shit when the album dropped
2622042, Shock G "Fear of a Mixed Planet" n/m
Posted by Original Juice, Mon Oct-31-11 11:28 AM
2622055, Cormega - The Realness
Posted by Nodima, Mon Oct-31-11 11:54 AM
Nas - The Lost Tapes
Masta Ace - Disposable Arts
Masta Ace - A Long Hot Summer
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx Pt. II
Scarface - The Fix
Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot
Del tha FUnkee Homosapien - Both Sides of the Brain
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
Common - Be
Nas - God's Son
Ghostface Killah - Fishscale
Ghostface Killah - Pretty Toney Album


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas

http://www.last.fm/user/NodimaChee

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Nodima/run_that_shit__nodimas_hip_hop_handbook
2622437, good list but these are the ones i think are in contention
Posted by astralblak, Tue Nov-01-11 01:02 AM
>Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx Pt. II
>Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot
>Nas - God's Son
>Ghostface Killah - Fishscale

i just think Grind Date is that good
2622057, Q-Tip - 'The Renaissance'
Posted by cidolfas, Mon Oct-31-11 12:04 PM
2622061, RE: It's sadly hilarious how quickly that album has been forgotten.
Posted by Austin, Mon Oct-31-11 12:09 PM
~Austin
2622077, And yet I'm mentioning it right now.
Posted by cidolfas, Mon Oct-31-11 12:33 PM
You've got to get out of your own head sometime, Austin.

The view really is much better when you consider opinions other than your own.
2622615, RE: First mention I've seen on this board in months.
Posted by Austin, Tue Nov-01-11 11:16 AM
And it was not meant as knock on the album, as I thought it was a great record.

Just saying, for the way this place hyped it up when it first came out, you'd think it would've been mentioned a little sooner in a post like this.

~Austin
2622834, One of the best albums in years
Posted by BSharp, Tue Nov-01-11 08:32 PM
2623030, agreed, I'm not sure if I like a rap album that's come out since better
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Nov-02-11 11:40 AM
.
2622102, I listened to it this past Friday
Posted by Ishwip, Mon Oct-31-11 01:03 PM
Part of the Tribe binge I go through every couple of months.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2622641, haha right? actually played this album yesterday.. shit's great
Posted by DonWonJusuton, Tue Nov-01-11 12:26 PM
2622624, I listen to this album every couple of months, matter a fact
Posted by las raises, Tue Nov-01-11 11:51 AM
Was just bumping it on Saturday
2622655, just played this yesterday...great album
Posted by Anonymous, Tue Nov-01-11 12:44 PM
one of my favorites from the 00s
2622772, damn good answer n/m
Posted by Grand_Royal, Tue Nov-01-11 04:36 PM
2622071, Roots?
Posted by maro, Mon Oct-31-11 12:27 PM
Should we be surprised we are not listing a roots album here?

I vote Below The Heavens.

has the most reply value for me this side of 2000

...your Auntie Clarisse!

lurkin since 1999. werd.
2622084, he said 'of artists that came out out before Biggie'
Posted by Nodima, Mon Oct-31-11 12:41 PM
Roots don't qualify I don't think, otherwise I'd have said Game Theory, How I Got Over, Phrenology

Blu definitely doesn't lol


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas

http://www.last.fm/user/NodimaChee

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Nodima/run_that_shit__nodimas_hip_hop_handbook
2622092, RE: he said 'of artists that came out out before Biggie'
Posted by maro, Mon Oct-31-11 12:49 PM
>Roots don't qualify I don't think, otherwise I'd have said
>Game Theory, How I Got Over, Phrenology



technically the roots recorded organix in 93, I think. A year before Ready to Die. But I guess they really didn't come to "prominence" before then.


>
>Blu definitely doesn't lol
>

And I'm and idiot for not reading the OP correctly. I retract Blu!

>
>~~~~~~~~~
>"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas
>
>http://www.last.fm/user/NodimaChee
>
>http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
>
>http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Nodima/run_that_shit__nodimas_hip_hop_handbook


...your Auntie Clarisse!

lurkin since 1999. werd.
2622074, The Fix. Disposable Arts
Posted by mrshow, Mon Oct-31-11 12:29 PM
2622097, chronic 2001 misses by a month.
Posted by Guinness, Mon Oct-31-11 12:56 PM
dropped 11/99.
2622101, ugk - dirty money?
Posted by Guinness, Mon Oct-31-11 01:02 PM
bun's "trill OG" was pretty good.
2622468, ^underground kings is a better example
Posted by Hellyeah, Tue Nov-01-11 04:39 AM
2622104, kurupt and quik - blaqkout
Posted by Guinness, Mon Oct-31-11 01:09 PM
2622242, umm why is BIG the cutoff here?
Posted by Stadiq, Mon Oct-31-11 03:44 PM
2622803, RE: umm why is BIG the cutoff here?
Posted by Invisiblist, Tue Nov-01-11 06:31 PM
because BIG changed the direction of a lot of shit.
2622485, The replies should've started and ended with Supreme Clientele.
Posted by rorschach, Tue Nov-01-11 07:06 AM
It came out in 2000. It counts.

SC is the best rap album of last decade hands down.
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2622640, yea, i was wondering if this counted...
Posted by DonWonJusuton, Tue Nov-01-11 12:25 PM
2622808, that depends on when you believe
Posted by Invisiblist, Tue Nov-01-11 06:39 PM
Ghost "came to prominence." I say that happened either with Cuban Linx or Ironman.
2622613, oh yeah... boot camp clik - the chosen few
Posted by david bammer, Tue Nov-01-11 11:11 AM
2622647, raekwon - cuban linx 2
Posted by Guinness, Tue Nov-01-11 12:33 PM
2622812, I thought you hated that album
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Nov-01-11 06:48 PM
.
2623370, yeah, it's mediocre.
Posted by Guinness, Wed Nov-02-11 10:40 PM
but since we're comparing it to another mediocre album, i figured i might as well mention it. this post is more a mental exercise than anything else. "the fix" ended the conceit within five minutes anyway.
2624297, haha, I figured that was it, I was proud of myself for going 25+ off top
Posted by Bombastic, Sat Nov-05-11 07:39 AM
>but since we're comparing it to another mediocre album, i
>figured i might as well mention it.
2622821, what an odd criteria but still a lot of titles to choose from for me
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Nov-01-11 07:30 PM
Supreme Clientele
Stankonia
The HNIC
The W
Like Water For Chocolate
Last Of A Dying Breed
Dirty Money
Stillmatic
Black Trash: The Autobiography Of Kirk Jones
Paid Da Cost To Be Da Boss
The Fix
Disposable Arts
Long Hot Summer
Madvillian
Speakerboxx/Love Below
Deltron 3030
Phrenology
Fishscale
Main Source
The Renaissance
Underground Kingz
Wu-Tang Chamber Music
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2
Sir Luscious Left Foot
Distant Relatives
Shaolin vs Wu-Tang
Book of David
2624557, good list
Posted by astralblak, Sun Nov-06-11 06:21 PM
>Supreme Clientele
yup
>Stankonia
ehh, maybe, more fun?
>The HNIC
no, but great
>The W
no but great as well, glad i'm not the only one who likes this LP
>Like Water For Chocolate
yes
>Last Of A Dying Breed
?
>Dirty Money
?
>Stillmatic
no
>Black Trash: The Autobiography Of Kirk Jones
still need to hear this. my cousin and one one of my boyz vouche for this record a lot
>Paid Da Cost To Be Da Boss
no
>The Fix
>Disposable Arts
>Long Hot Summer
need to listen to all 3 of those
>Madvillian
by his criteria i dont think it counts, even though DOOM was in KMD
>Speakerboxx/Love Below
no
>Deltron 3030
great, but no
>Phrenology
fuck no
>Fishscale
over-rated, good, but no
>Main Source
?
>The Renaissance
yes
>Underground Kingz
havent listen to
>Wu-Tang Chamber Music
no
>Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2
maybe
>Sir Luscious Left Foot
>Distant Relatives
haven't heard
>Shaolin vs Wu-Tang
no
>Book of David
no
2623047, Grind Date Question
Posted by Dariusx, Wed Nov-02-11 12:04 PM
I love the whole cd (one of the few hip-hop cd's I play all the way through). I remember first hearing it and fell out of my chair when I heard the Yes sample ("Ritual" from Tales From Topographic Oceans and the Rick Wakeman sample from The Six Wives Of Henry The 8th.

Someone "borrowed" my cd years ago and I never got it back. I can't remember the name of the guy who spoke at the end of one of the title track "My father had two jobs but he loved his kids" or something like that.
2623109, Bonz malone
Posted by Adwhizz, Wed Nov-02-11 01:50 PM
2623123, man I used to love that dude's Spin columns n/m
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Nov-02-11 02:11 PM
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