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2614665, The Wale Ambition post
Posted by beatnik, Fri Oct-14-11 07:55 AM
I'm looking forward to it

Tracklist: Wale "Ambition"
1. Don’t Hold Your Applause
2. Double M Genius
3. Miami Nights
4. Legendary
5. Lotus Flower Bomb f/ Miguel
6. Sabotage f/ Lloyd
7. White Linen (Coolin) f/ Ne-Yo
8. Slight Work f/ Big Sean
9. Ambition f/ Meek Mill & Rick Ross
10. Illest Bitch
11. No Days Off
12. DC or Nothing
13. That Way f/ Jeremih & Rick Ross

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/10/tracklist-wale-ambition

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/09/listen-wale-f-miguel-lotus-flower-bomb
2614688, Im not feeling his new direction in music
Posted by zigbfree, Fri Oct-14-11 09:01 AM
but best of luck to him. I think he's still a dope mc
2614697, basically
Posted by hardware, Fri Oct-14-11 09:19 AM
2614698, yeah, I haven't heard anything since More About Nothing
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Oct-14-11 09:21 AM
is it any good?

because More About Nothing was PROPANE, PROPANE ACCESSORIES, and the whole STRICKLAND EMPIRE IMO.

the way people talk about Wale now, it sounds like he went Thatherton on us
2614706, He still has some joints, but I agree that the direction is kinda weak
Posted by CMcMurtry, Fri Oct-14-11 09:33 AM
The Wale songs I fuck with are uptempo joints with some clever lyrics and a cool hook, ala "My Sweetie" or "Award Tour" off the first LP. Shit like "Nike Boots" or the Justice joint. But I feel like those tracks, which at one point were sort of his trademark, are now becoming few and far between. That new mixtape has a couple ("Fuck You" is my jam right now) and predictably, they're the best songs on the album.

And sometimes Wale tries to be too smart for his own good. He's sort of like Kanye in that when he tries to get a little too ambitious with his concepts, he often falls flat on his face.

The slow, R&Bish joints he's doing now are painful. But the track with Jeremih is a huge hit, something like #4 on either Rhythmic or Urban radio in terms of spins, so I suspect that will be the lane he moves in now. Hell, that next single, the one with Miguel, is pretty part Pt. 2 of that shit, and it's equally awful.
2614755, yeah. he REALLY lost me with those
Posted by dafriquan, Fri Oct-14-11 11:05 AM

>The slow, R&Bish joints he's doing now are painful.

it's weird when rappers like Wale and Lupe find more success in doing what does not come "naturally" to them. Or at least not their best strengths.
2614762, I don't think Lupe sounds nearly as out of place on his "hits" though
Posted by CMcMurtry, Fri Oct-14-11 11:14 AM
Those Wale singles feel as if you could throw anyone on them. He's not the star on either.
2614823, Me too
Posted by Hitokiri, Fri Oct-14-11 01:01 PM
I was a huge Wale supporter from Mixtape About Nothing up through More About Nothing. Now... I'm not really checking for him at all. I might check the album but... The new direction he's going in is not for me.
2614858, i dig it. this MMG shit saved his career
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Oct-14-11 01:53 PM
cause he was getting wacker and wacker. Ross got him back on the right track
2614745, ion't listen to him much, but "BAIT" should be on this project...
Posted by builtfromwax, Fri Oct-14-11 10:47 AM
...prolly THE best song with DC references in a while.
2614859, that Bait song is haaaaaaaaard
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Oct-14-11 01:58 PM
2614748, The Cudi joint is tuff, is that not on there either?
Posted by CMcMurtry, Fri Oct-14-11 10:55 AM
2614753, word, "that way" still on there? that's such a jam.
Posted by k0la, Fri Oct-14-11 11:01 AM
looking forward to this. "a.d.d." was cool, but i expect this to be better.

peace.
2614767, I was WRONG about Wale
Posted by Stadiq, Fri Oct-14-11 11:25 AM

When I first heard 100 Miles and Running and Mixtape About Nothing...

I thought dude was going to be one of the "next" artists.

Thought he had potential to blow, and that I was going to follow his career...


Then his debut dropped and it already sounded like he was bored with this sh*t. Sounded like his 4th album...not in a good way.

Stopped checking for him.

When the Rick Ross thing happened...figured dude was just chasing the papes.

I wish him the best, but probably not for me anymore.
2614779, the Rick Ross connection has helped his career tremendously.
Posted by Poetic_Truth, Fri Oct-14-11 11:53 AM
more ppl are checking for him now...he sold out like hell...but hey....the man gotta eat
2614780, We should prolly wait til we hear the LP before we use that term
Posted by CMcMurtry, Fri Oct-14-11 11:55 AM
But it seems that way, yes.
2614802, I'll give it a listen
Posted by lakai336, Fri Oct-14-11 12:33 PM
I still think Attention Deficit was underrated. That's better than a lot of stuff that got bigger (Kid Cudi's debut, J.Cole's Debut) in my opinion.
2614811, guess i'm in the minority
Posted by Soulbrotha, Fri Oct-14-11 12:47 PM
I sorta like the new direction. It seems to be paying off dividends..obviously the MMG affiliation has helped tremendously. But frankly, I think Wale sounds quite at home on these Lex Luger-ish uptempo club anthems like "Tats on my arm" "Bait" etc. I think he'll have a lot of success with this album and at the end you've got to do what works, not just what you *think* would work. I think the mixtapes will always give him room to be experimental but mainstream wise if this is what works, I'm not mad at it at all.
2614818, i'm pretty much here with it.
Posted by EyE C, Fri Oct-14-11 12:56 PM
he knows what hes doing
2692295, I don't mind the trap rap beats. It's the sugary soft ass R&B ballads
Posted by CMcMurtry, Sat Apr-28-12 08:56 PM
Three of his last four singles have been on some watery shit.
2614893, Me and my homeboy was discussin' Le...from a DC perspective
Posted by RaphaelSoulLee, Fri Oct-14-11 03:07 PM
Conversation was as follows:

Him: What you think about the Eleven One Eleven Mixtape

Me:

Aye, lots to talk about. First, thanks for blessing me and da wiz wit' some music, young! I'm thoroughly enjoyin' it. Ok, so Eleven one Eleven is good. Let's start with what I like about it. They far outweigh the less salient points. Okay, so THIS nigga can really rap. He's proven it over an over, as we DC niggas have to prove it more so than any other region seems to have to.

You can see how his style has significantly grown from his earlier days, from when they just considered him a go-go rapper. Truthfully, he's been surpassed that for me, but I'm really glad he's carvin' out a niche for DC. He be saying shit that only we'd recognize.

You can see that he has the machine behind'm, but I think that he's losing some of his organic styling....that's not an altogether bad thing. I mean shit, he gotta grow, right? He makes up for it in his Rich Harrison-like percussive tracks. I still prefer more of that Soul vibe, but that's just me....and it's my handle, to boot. Furthermore, you can"t please everyone, nor keep the same vibe all the time.....so I understand that.

Also, I'm such a fan of his Black Thought/b-boy flow (that's the old school rapper in me). He goes in on Drums n Shit. Other standouts for me is Podium w/Black Cobain...that was nice. Fairytales is funny as shit. I love the feel of Pick 6....that felt good. Samples n Shit gives the soulful feel.

He's got great punchlines, but here's my concern; how long is he gonna use sports punchlines? I'm not talkin' just about Pick 6, Barry Sanders, and Varsity Blues. I'm talkin' about all throughout this project and the last few. I kinda liken it to how The Game name drops in every song. I guess every rapper has their own thing *shrugs*. I'm concerned that he's gonna limit his subject matter, after while. Shit though...pretty hard to re-invent the wheel.

Having said all of this, I like More about Nothing better. It's more eclectic. Maybe not as polished, or shit, maybe so. Definitely more organic IMO.

Anyway, I hope u found my evaluation to be fair.
2614894, does he still say his name like 25 times in every song?
Posted by al_sharp, Fri Oct-14-11 03:10 PM
i haven't listened to him in awhile.


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2614902, Yes
Posted by CMcMurtry, Fri Oct-14-11 03:20 PM
2614944, What the fig newton??? No Gaga!?
Posted by spew120, Fri Oct-14-11 05:18 PM
2692181, wale STAYS dropping album/mixtapes at the wrong time
Posted by Hellyeah, Sat Apr-28-12 12:26 PM
y'all tried giving this a spin now that the weather is warming up? this is a summertime banger
2692285, i go back and forth on how much i like it
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Apr-28-12 08:21 PM
when its in rotation i love it.
when its not i feel like i only really like 2 or 3 songs.
2692271, Wow
Posted by beatnik, Sat Apr-28-12 06:47 PM
I was so disappointed with this album, I forgot I even made this post. 11-1-11 was better than this, his Tapes about nothing that I played the joke of the title of this post off were better than this.

2692298, I'm about halfway through this shit
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Apr-28-12 09:24 PM
threw it on The People's iPod, hopped in the Volvo and hit 271.

and I got a few comments/questions

1) this shit is much better as a "major label" project than Attention Deficit was

2) what is it that people dislike about Wale? listening to him on this record, he sounds like he actually IS what jabronis have been saying for years about Wayne... without the drugs fuckin' his delivery up

3) L M M F A O @ Wale rhyming with a hoarse voice and talking about "gimme a cough drop". can't believe they kept that in

4) does Lloyd always sound that much like MJ?

I'm tempted to slap this with the "propane" label. While it's taking me a little to get used to Wale without that good "DC" percussion on the beats, MMG hooked dude up in a big way, but didn't get in the way either.

This shit is actually good. and like Hellyeah said above... I'm kinda glad I waited to hear this shit. this is right on for the changing season.
2692313, wayne is so much better than wale it ain't funny
Posted by southphillyman, Sat Apr-28-12 10:15 PM
wale just drips corn
how a nigga corny in two different genres of rap (backpack and gangster)
that must be a first
2692352, not on the Carter IV he's not (maybe 6' 7')
Posted by Dr Claw, Sun Apr-29-12 05:31 AM
but dude is borderline Lil B-in it nowadays

plus a song like "Lollipop" is the epitome of dripping corn
2692367, Doc, did you listen to C4? He's rappin his ass off on there
Posted by CMcMurtry, Sun Apr-29-12 09:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CL68X0MHhI&feature=fvst

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-cuoAIg7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_kNxlSczhYo#t=130s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1iMHkEKxZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woElOGoEgDs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEfIqL9xqcc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_14wvPvRlY


You may not like WHAT he's rappin about, or the beats, but anyone who says he wasn't spittin is in denial.
2692371, 'It's Good' is an example of what I was talking about
Posted by Dr Claw, Sun Apr-29-12 09:45 AM
dude's voice is just grating to get through some songs and it has a negative effect on the song overall. Dude wasn't doing that shit as much on the two albums prior. and I got a higher tolerance for silliness. "MegaMan" was cool. "Abortion" was actually one of my favorite tracks from that record -- the raps seemed like they were actually on par with his potential, but the increasing gremlins in his voice was just a downgrade.

For what it was I thought it was a cool "major label" project, same as I think about this Wale joint -- the intro/interlude sections were my favorite part (well except Shyne, I had no idea who the hell he was until I Googled it).

I think the real reason I was down on the rapping is the same reason I don't really roll with a lot of the later Eminem albums, and I shake my head at most Jay-Z albums as a whole product in between The Black Album and his latest (except American Gangster)... they gotta dilute themselves in some way to reach the masses often by doing some bullshit to grate on ears.

2692326, Wale mixtapes>>>>>>>>>>>Wale albums
Posted by icecold21, Sun Apr-29-12 12:10 AM
there's like 3 tracks or so on here I fuck with

The title track is my SHIT, but other than that, this jawn is weak as hell.
2692641, I give it about 4 Propane Tanks
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Apr-30-12 09:04 AM
short of the accessories. Solid mainstream project. Kind of what I expected out of ATTENTION DEFICIT as far as "selling Wale" to the masses. I think the production was top notch for the most part and Wale held his own on those beats... but I kept wanting to hear that "go-go bounce" percussion on every half-measure like the stuff I was used to hearing.

I also heard THE ELEVEN ONE ELEVEN THEORY (mixtape); co-sign RaphaelSoulLee -- cutting off "Drums N Shit" early was some bullshit. At least there was "Fuck You" and "Lacefrontin" to fit the "bongo" quota and "Fairy Tales" was funny as fuck. Also 4 Propane Tanks.

all in all, Wale paired with MMG is a good thing. Rick Ross (if I can credit him for their output) puts out music with the same attention to detail that you'd find in a German automobile.
2692648, Really enjoyed the album. Glad to see Wale come back from the brink.
Posted by ChuckFoPrez, Mon Apr-30-12 09:23 AM