I don't believe there is a production entity, whether solo or group, that was based in rap music that ever had this kind of mainstream/crossover success. Am I forgetting someone?

Sure, Dre had pop hits, but they were mostly all hip hop related. Same for Swizz and Kanye.

Maybe Timbo?

But what will the heads remember about Chad & Pharrell.

In a way, I sort of feel as though the Neptunes, during their prime, were somewhat underrated. I know the idea of a group with, literally, a dozen songs on the radio at any given time during that era being underrated is sort of silly, but did WE fully appreciate how dope they were?

I think WE didn't recognize their niceness to the extent we should've because we felt as though they were already getting SO much love on that other side. We'd rather champion causes or people (Dilla, Madlib, early Kanye, early 9th) that needed the voice more.

If you look at the amount of BANGERS the Neptunes produced from, say, 2000 to 2005 or 2006, it's staggering. I'm talking shit that will bump in any hip hop playlist.

"Grindin'"
"Southern Hospitality"
"Knock Yourself Out"
"Excuse Me Miss (Again)"
"Light Your Ass On Fire"
"I Ain't Heard Of That"

Hell, all of Hell Hath No Fury.

Is it possible for multi-platinum, millionaire producers to also be somewhat slept on?

but it does, for a lot of people.


>Is it possible for multi-platinum, millionaire producers to
>also be somewhat slept on?



i feel they'll get the same treatment
as george michael

people are so focused on the sales
and the popularity, that often times...
they forget to mention that

george michael's "faith" was a great album...
and album that had a sound that he built from the ground up,
producing the tracks, writing the songs, and playing
most of the instruments on the album.

and the songs are just fantastic.



in a way, it's also similar to the way
people don't really give MJ the credit he desserves
as a songwriter or a singer...

people are so focused on the popularity of the songs
and the great stage performances/ videos
that the fact that he's one of the greatest ARTISTS of all time.

sometimes success makes your artistic contributions an afterthought.

I think a lot of heads (including myself) were initially turned off by the perceived 'hokeyness' of their music (happy chords, video game blips, etc). They came up during the'keyboard beat' era so they got lumped in with the Ruff Ryder/Cash Money/every yokel w/ a Triton hate. Them boys paved a lane for themselves that couldn't be stopped &
managed to put out some undeniable music.

Check this mix my man DJ Soul One did a few weeks back

http://www.peaceuvmine.com/2011/09/26/the-neptunes-revised-for-the-seasoned-traveller-by-dj-soulone/

Reminded me not only of how they had the game on lock for their run, but how they would MAKE you like a song by someone you wouldn't listen to otherwise (Philly's Most Wanted for me).

and they didn't do anymore for Hip hop than he did as a Producer, they just got a bit more pop cross over, but they never surpased what he did IMO and basically from the same playbook and formula.

If, as you suggest, there were merely Teddy Riley derivatives, then they wouldn't have had the run they did.

Sorry Maxx, but you can't convince me.

No question they studied at the foot of Teddy and applied a lot of his stuff into their own work, but they put their own spin on a lot of it, and their creativity is virtually unmatched during this time.

now teddy at least can say he worked with Slick Rick and Doug E Fresh and of course Big daddy kane, Kool Moe Dee and Heavy D and he boyz and hit big and you can throw Wrecks n effect in there.

Teddy was the dude who mixed what they ended up doing wiht cross hybriding Hip Hop, R&B and Pop except he had his own sound and did it on a bigger scale.

neptunes were hired hot shot beatmakers who had some big hits and yet what is memroable on the whole?

even though they worked with Jiggy and Snoop can you honestly tell me that the best stuff those two cats did was courtesy of the Neptunes??

and in the name game Jay Z and Snoop carry alot of weight and there work for them wasn't all of that IMO. peace

the only reason a lot of ppl know nore... clipse... luda's best single...

EDIT: throw Kelis on that list... and i'm sure i'm forgetting others...

>the only reason a lot of ppl know nore... clipse... luda's
>best single...
>
>EDIT: throw Kelis on that list... and i'm sure i'm forgetting
>others...


bitchass Justin Timberlake.. haha



White Bronco.

Britney is more known for Toxic and Baby one more time.

Usher ain't never made a Great track, made cool tracks and some good nothing stands out.

Jay Z take a poll on that one.

Sure, his most timeless, best work is with Dre, but almost all of his hits during the time frame mentioned as courtesy of Pharrell and Chad.

is very telling in this conversation don't you think?

and have a act 2 and beyond, the Neptunes at most were skelton music making cats who were easy to digest and not alot of depth, they raided the early 80's closet out of R&B/Pop and it worked like a charm for a minute, no depth in there, but they were a decent act, but they ain't no songwriters and certainly in Hip Hop circles they never stood out like that.

the acts they worked with basically stayed in bubble gum ville especially the R&B and pop acts they worked with.

and another knock against them is the obvious Hey Pharell how did that Solo Album turn out?? that is why they ain't in the mix with other known acts who also doubled as Producers,etc...

With how other people will remember them.

and they are a hit making hot shot duo for there time, however they ain't going to be talked about anymore than Teddy Riley beyond a certain time and Point IMO.

nah but Bouncin Back by Mystikal?

i mean how original was that shit

too many classics to name

the horns and breaking out the psych ward

And the jams you named are like ... 1% of the amazing work they put in over that time.

Their creativity over that time period was unmatched and the fact that they weren't overly sampled-based is also impressive.

Maxxx, sorry, but everyone has influences. Like the OP said in response to you, if they were just clones they would have flamed out. They continued pushing things and were relevent and excellent from 1998 til about 3 or 4 years ago. And they STILL make good beats today, just aren't in the mainstream as much (sadly).

I might have to cosign.
because some of their hits are WACK
but a lot of their best material is soooooooooo under the radar.
and relatively, their material released under their own name or outfits (Pharrell's solo, the N.E.R.D. albums) were kind of ignored.

like, I almost hesitate to put Clipse in that "Group Home, the Neptunes version" category. because they were certainly the biggest beneficiaries of the best production they served in a hip-hop context not named Snoop Dogg or Jay-Z

Mentioning them and Group Home in the same sentence is damn near blasphemy

Artistically and commercially.

Even with the artists they produced for who I don't mess with at all (Britney Spears), the songs they did I liked.....loved, even.

"I'm a.......slaaaaaaaave for you".

*cough* I meant WU-TANG, son!



__
I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

now I won't say that they didn't make big songs for other artists

but when they worked with those artists, it was a special kind of synergy.

(a notable exception w/Jay is that damn song with Usher, that sounded like SPM in the Ridgeline Manhammer Music, ock)

musically and culturally.

phhheeerrr
phhheeerrr
pheerrr

their art spanned like 3 genres
and pharrells influence was crazy
i think he basically started the skater trend AND the skinny jeans trend
he was also the first major artist who marketed himself thru self deprecation by admitting that he wasn't a thug, he wasn't cool growing up, he didn't sell drugs etc
now that's the popular thing to do

Hugely influential, and get nearly no mainstream credit for it anymore.

They pretty much helped set the stage for the '00's in both sound and image. When the history-books will sum up the '00's musically, I'm pretty sure they will be mentioned amongst the top names if only because their impact was SO huge and the sound so typical of the decade (contrary to popular opinion, it is not the timeless (¤read:retro) stuff that survives but rather the stuff that capture the era).

Personally, I'm not a big fan of their sound even if I like some songs but that's neither here nor there...

>They pretty much helped set the stage for the '00's in both
>sound and image. When the history-books will sum up the '00's
>musically, I'm pretty sure they will be mentioned amongst the
>top names if only because their impact was SO huge and the
>sound so typical of the decade (contrary to popular opinion,
>it is not the timeless (¤read:retro) stuff that survives but
>rather the stuff that capture the era).

shit. now that I think of it... they had a shit-ton of hits but I still don't think they're really recognized like that.

Pharrell maybe, and that's pushing it.

What will Pharrell's legacy in ENTERTAINMENT be? Dude has progressed his career to a point where he's just as known for bbc/ice cream, designing furniture, movie scores, lil bit of acting, websites like kidult/artst, and now liquor. When people talk about moguls in hip-hop, they overlook P.

*plays Liquid Swords in this post*

>What will Pharrell's legacy in ENTERTAINMENT be? Dude has
>progressed his career to a point where he's just as known for
>bbc/ice cream, designing furniture, movie scores, lil bit of
>acting, websites like kidult/artst, and now liquor. When
>people talk about moguls in hip-hop, they overlook P.
and most of his ventures outside of that have not been successful outside of the novelty of a hip-hop producer trying his hands at it. BBC is his most successful non-music venture and quite as kept it struggled to stay above water before being sold off. stockists bought less and less because the demand was not enough at their high price point.

celebrities get commissioned to do all sorts of co-branding. i think "mogul" might be stretching it for pharrel. he's a creative cat living out his dreams though.

other than that I can almost co-sign the premise.

they got big when i first started h.s.... when i realized they were from VA (like me), i took a deeper interest.. i found every track they were associated w/.. was entranced by the "neptunes sound" haha... started "making beats" which forced me to pay attention to music more, cuz all of my shit sucked... listened to the N.E.R.D project when they first dropped the streaming electronic version on the neptunes website.. and up to that point i was only listening to "black music"... that shit really forced me to expand my music horizons (esp. after finding out my biggest music influences listened to other stuff)... i credit those mofos w/ inspiring me to get where i'm at w/ this music thing..

on top of that, they made radio great during that time period... i wish there were less cheap imitations and more ppl really working to come up w/ their own *sound*... shit's way too copycat these days..

I was low key pissed when I saw Beats Rhymes & Life, because a third of the crowd booed every time Pharrell was shown talking...and it showed me how ignorant they are. They'll boo him solely because of his mainstream appeal and how successful he was on that side, without stopping to say "damn...we're here to see a Tribe Doc, and TRIBE felt that he's important enough to put in and have speak on them....so maybe I should show some respect." It was disgusting but not surprising at all.

>I was low key pissed when I saw Beats Rhymes & Life, because
>a third of the crowd booed every time Pharrell was shown
>talking...and it showed me how ignorant they are.

I personally woulda been high key pissed and probly spoke the fuck up. That disgusts me.

strictly hardcore tracks, not a new jack swing!




White Bronco.

.

n/m

rock your body

drop it like its hot

superthug

got your money

danger!

you dont have to call

lookin @ me

girls dem sugar


they had some big big hits at the start of 00s. and some of their best work was on lesser known projects like kenna.

I know they will have a tremendous legacy in pop and R&B.

Though I know what you're saying.

That said, U Don't Have to call is one of the best r&b-pop songs ever made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBThU9yyfo0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4E30jQSuao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ4RJ1oxBqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBNgqdOVLsI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EG4jHha-rA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axFuBVd8pVA

http://youtu.be/U4chHBO_RTA

theyll be remembered for helping change the sound of black music, for dominating for a good few years in the early 00s, for pharrell being a narcisistic poseur who should never sing or rap on anything ever again (unless its NERD), and for doing quite a few pop classics.

The Neptunes don't need hip hop props. They transcended that little genre.

producers that became rock stars. and chad hugo will go down as the most influential filipino in american pop music.

I really think Odd Future blowing up really got people talking about The Neptunes again. Prior to Tyler The Creator bringing Pharell up as his idol and such, I rarely heard them brought up. I mean yeah people liked albums they produced and such, but rarely did I hear any discussion specifically about the producers themselves. Since then I've heard a lot of people and seen a lot of sites go over their best tracks and praise them.

Or maybe it's just purely timing as I'd assume at this point we're reaching the ten years ago point for some of their biggest hits.