they are NOT in the conversation. Black Dots, the s/t and Rock for Light all pre-date the cutoff. (Well, "Black Dots" was released after the cut, but recorded well before it... questionable, I guess.) "I Against I" is the only actual classic they had that qualifies. "Quickness" is a good album but not a great one. After that, what have they done? Some albums that mostly let down their hardcore fans, and a decent dub album that nobody heard.