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Topic subjectMC's Who's Passion or Personality make up for lack of Technical MC Skills: You need both?
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2607937, MC's Who's Passion or Personality make up for lack of Technical MC Skills: You need both?
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 02:13 PM
MC's Who's Passion or Personality make up for lack of Technical MC Skills: You need both? The Kanye post made me think about Tupac and a few other MC's who's emotions, passion and approach to the MIC assist with maybe the lack of Technical Skills or deep lyrical ability. Some MC's are almost too technical but some have the passion and emotions that make you overlook (not really a lack of skills) some minor errors in traditional MCing. Some names that come to mind are:

1.Tupac (though more lyrical than people give him credit)
2. Kanye West
3. Chuck D (great MC but I personally dont always dig his style but his passion, voice & personality on the mic (power)helped him.
4. Biggie (ok...wait..lol...what I mean here is Biggie personlity on the mic was so good he could say crazy shit. "you look so good, I'll s*** your..**you know the rest"..lol
5.Snoop...all personality on the mic...early songs he was dope but now he can get by with anything..

just some examples from my perspective...Thoughts...who would you say Passion or Personality get them over the hump? Why?

Peace
2607938, talib kweli.
Posted by Guinness, Wed Sep-28-11 02:15 PM
he couldn't even figure out how to fit words into a bar, but he was very positive and conscious.
2607939, RE: talib kweli.
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 02:16 PM
Yep, he even said that on the Hip Hop Doc "The MC"....you hit it right on the head. Lyrics helped his lack of technical skills
2608033, Excellent answer
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Sep-28-11 03:37 PM
2608720, I'd say he's definitely improved on that though
Posted by The A to the Z, Thu Sep-29-11 03:06 PM
as of the Revolutions Per Minute album, Kweli seems to have a much better grasp of delivery than he did on Blackstar;
chooses his words more carefully, uses his words more skillfully.
2607940, ODB
Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Sep-28-11 02:16 PM
2607941, RE: ODB
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 02:16 PM
lol...lol...YEP....All Passion and Style and we LOVED it..lol
2607942, Aesop Rock
Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Sep-28-11 02:17 PM
Writes rhymes like a spam email but he still has the hearts and ears of real hip hop fans from sweden to vermont
2607945, don't undersell him.
Posted by Guinness, Wed Sep-28-11 02:19 PM
his listenership spans wide swaths of the heartland, from the snow-capped mailboxes of minnesota to the lush backyards of wisconsin.
2607980, wow...yall two are on some sorta crusade against dude, huh?
Posted by al_sharp, Wed Sep-28-11 02:52 PM

avy: our new album. you may just like it. listen for free online @ http://theyesyesyalls.com

http://twitter.com/shamelessplug
http://theyesyesyalls.com
2608002, Hahaha right?
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-28-11 03:14 PM
I did laugh at their posts though, honestly.
2608052, I'm assuming this.is a joke answer
Posted by Adwhizz, Wed Sep-28-11 04:10 PM
All though I guess that depend on how you define a n Mc's technical prowess.


He isn't eminem or Jay-z in terms of smooth delivery

But in terms of lyrics/concepts/punchlines/originality you can't front on him
2608063, he's no asap rocky that's for sure.
Posted by al_sharp, Wed Sep-28-11 04:28 PM

avy: our new album. you may just like it. listen for free online @ http://theyesyesyalls.com

http://twitter.com/shamelessplug
http://theyesyesyalls.com
2607943, On the mic, DJ Quik
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Sep-28-11 02:18 PM
Really nothing special lyrically, but his swag was, and is, so insanely dope.
2607948, shit eiht too. How long were we gonna fall for the late last syllable
Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Sep-28-11 02:20 PM
we thought he was gonna not finish the rhyme

but he always did

just one beat.... *late*
2607951, I feel like Eiht has a lot of quotables though
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Sep-28-11 02:21 PM
His shit still looks tight on paper.
2610132, shit. EIHT should have been the first one I said in this post
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Oct-03-11 11:34 AM
2608018, Maybe not "lyrics" but flow and delivery are +++++++++
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Sep-28-11 03:26 PM
2608130, Yup. He ain't sayin shit most of the time lol
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Sep-28-11 06:44 PM
But it's so smooth.
2607946, I don't agree with you about Biggie & Chuck D at all
Posted by IslaSoul, Wed Sep-28-11 02:19 PM

the rest I can live with,
although Pac, was fairly 'technical' 'til All Eyez On Me,
it was on there he coasted on his personality/charisma/voice/passion/.


I'd add ODB & EAZY E
2607950, RE: I don't agree with you about Biggie & Chuck D at all
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 02:21 PM
Biggie was just an example of how personality wise he could say what he wanted to and get a pass. Of course Bigge had MAJOR skills all the way around...he was an example

Chuck D to me always seemed a little off beat but the POWER in his voice made you overlook it.

In my humble opinion
2607961, Chuck D I'll give you after Fear Of A Black Planet
Posted by IslaSoul, Wed Sep-28-11 02:28 PM
it's like he lost some steam after that one
PE as a whole anyway,
but Yo! Bumrush The Show, It Takes A Nation Of Millions & Fear Of A Black Planet, I will ride for those three as one of the greatest performances of a mc, voice/delivery/technique in Hiphop history.
2608006, I see what you're saying about Biggie.
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-28-11 03:17 PM
He would say shit like "Hope they know my nigga Gutter fuckin kidnip kids/Fuck 'em in the ass, throw 'em over the bridge" but his charisma made it seem like a normal lyric.

Clearly he was madddd skilled technically, though.
2607949, That's funny because I've always compared 2Pac & Kanye
Posted by cidolfas, Wed Sep-28-11 02:21 PM
in this way, though Kanye has been given the chance to become more lyrical as time progresses. I really believe Kanye is the closest thing to Pac, with the level of emotion and personality that he brings to his music. Sure, they're on different wavelengths, but the feeling is there.

But Biggie? I strongly disagree. Dude was a beast. The best flow, top three storyteller, incredible voice. Even Nas was scared to get in the studio with him for the "Machine Gun Funk" remix.
2607957, RE: That's funny because I've always compared 2Pac & Kanye
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 02:25 PM
Kanye is a poor version of Tupac. I agree with your comment.

As for Biggie: see my comment above. Of course he is one of the best, thats not the angle I was coming from.

2607966, Word. Biggie could say whatever he wanted and pull it off.
Posted by cidolfas, Wed Sep-28-11 02:34 PM
2608007, Huh?
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-28-11 03:18 PM
>Even Nas was
>scared to get in the studio with him for the "Machine Gun
>Funk" remix.

Proof, please.
2608041, Nas said so himself in an interview.
Posted by cidolfas, Wed Sep-28-11 03:55 PM
He said that Big had his verse memorized when he asked him why he wasn't writing. Nas got scared and bounced, to paraphrase.
2608084, Wild.
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-28-11 05:22 PM
Any way you can find a link to this interview? I'm sorry I just need something like this from the horse's mouth.

Only reason I'm so shocked is cause I know Nas was so bullshit that Ready to Die took all the awards over Illmatic that year, and I know he had the utmost confidence that he was a better MC at the time. Obviously post Biggie's death he's not gonna still be parading around talkin bout "I'm way better than Biggie was" but I'm surprised to hear that he admitted he was "scared" to get in the booth with him, at any time.
2608139, I'm disappointed I can't find a link.
Posted by cidolfas, Wed Sep-28-11 07:17 PM
The only reason it sticks out so much in my memory is because I was taken back by Nas's comments, too. I'm 100% certain there's a video interview where Nas talks about it, though.

The closest thing I could find were people talking about it in the comments section of this blog:

http://escobartheory.blogspot.com/2006/12/stocking-stuffers.html

But I'll keep searching.
2608142, Cool - thanks
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-28-11 07:20 PM
2607952, Biz Markie n/m
Posted by IslaSoul, Wed Sep-28-11 02:21 PM
2607953, sidenote:
Posted by Guinness, Wed Sep-28-11 02:22 PM
in 2011, how do people still not know where the "suck your daddy's dick" line came from? it's been discussed in every OMG GAY LYRICZZZ post ever created on the internet.
2607956, RE: sidenote:
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 02:24 PM
He still said it in a rhyme/song was my point...and fans (we) were ok with it...
2607959, huh?
Posted by Guinness, Wed Sep-28-11 02:26 PM
it's a line from richard pryor, the fucking god of standup comedy. of course everyone is okay with it. and BIG is the best rapper ever, so there's that too.
2607963, RE: huh?
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 02:29 PM
My G, I understand that. I'm talking about within the context of the song it just came out of nowhere. Also, as a high school dude, I didnt think of Richard Pryor stand-up at that time. Most of you all didnt either. Most of us were teens when Ready to Die dropped. I'm in my mid 30's now and not 17..lol
2607969, In the mid-90's, Mack 10
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Sep-28-11 02:37 PM
Dude was so gangsta with it, you couldn't help but fuck with him.
2608044, RE: In the mid-90's, Mack 10
Posted by spidey, Wed Sep-28-11 03:57 PM
IMO...mack 10 is a top 5 corniest/weak rapper ever...never bought his thug, just embarrasingly bad in all aspecets involving a m-i-c...
2607971, Early Young Jeezy and Rick Ross
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Sep-28-11 02:37 PM
2607974, 50 Cent & DMX n/m
Posted by IslaSoul, Wed Sep-28-11 02:39 PM
2607975, Khujo Goodie n/m
Posted by IslaSoul, Wed Sep-28-11 02:39 PM
2608034, imo, Khujo's voice and delivery GET IN THE WAY
Posted by bills, Wed Sep-28-11 03:43 PM
of his lyrics...dude is skilled enough with the words.
2607976, Q-Tip?
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Wed Sep-28-11 02:43 PM
2607990, this was gonna be my response.
Posted by forgivenphoenix, Wed Sep-28-11 03:01 PM
he was a style all to his own, but technically he wasn't a monster or anything like that.
2608003, yes he was actually, dude implemented a classic rap voice in an
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Sep-28-11 03:14 PM
almost jazz-scat way while knowing exactly where to be on the beat.

That has nothing to do with 'personality' & everything to do with him being blessed with unique vocal abilities while also taking a musician-type of approach to rap as a guy who soaks up music like a sponge plus did tons of production work.

This post is getting dumber by the minute.

Mr. Cheeks got by on personality/charisma, Q-Tip was/is a legitimately great MC/artist.
2608040, would you mention Q-Tip in the same breath as a Nas or Jay-Z or
Posted by forgivenphoenix, Wed Sep-28-11 03:52 PM
Biggie? I'm not dissing Q-Tip, I'm just saying his technical abilities were superceded by his charm and charisma.

I'm not saying Q-Tip was like Fat Joe or U-God or something like that technically, but out of all of Tribe's catalog, I can remember lines that he said that were memorable, but not any where I was like, 'man, tip spit flames.'
2608071, Probably not be he's a Top 20 MC all-time in my estimation
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Sep-28-11 04:54 PM
>Biggie? I'm not dissing Q-Tip, I'm just saying his technical
>abilities were superceded by his charm and charisma.
>
I'm saying your definition of 'technical abilities' is so narrow it's disregarding some of the main technical aspects of rapping.

You're mistaking what some call 'lyrical' as the end-all be-all for 'technical', then substituting voice/flow/ability-to-meld-ones-voice-with-a-beat for charm/charisma or for the younger folks....swag.

That's why this post is mostly a mess already.
2608049, he has a great voice.
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Wed Sep-28-11 04:04 PM
but he could say anything in that voice
and i'd listen to it.

he's never said anything that had my jaw on the floor.

2608076, voice ain't the same as personality, neither is flow/technique
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Sep-28-11 05:05 PM
>but he could say anything in that voice
>and i'd listen to it.
>
>he's never said anything that had my jaw on the floor.
>
>
2608017, I once had a fetish, fetish for some BOOTY
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Sep-28-11 03:25 PM
Lines like that made him greaaaat, that shit is dumb as hell but hilarious
2608065, dude's verses are some of the most *listenable* ever spit..
Posted by DonWonJusuton, Wed Sep-28-11 04:33 PM
and i'm considering his *skill* and *rhyming* as separate things... ain't the best rhymes in the world, but the skill of how to use his voice and how to phrase his verses over a beat.. that shit was/is superior..
2608961, Definately! I put him and Median in the same category
Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Sep-29-11 09:32 PM
rhyme sceme-wise. Neither one had a rough or comanding voice, but it's almost as if they delibrately went against that.
2607991, missy elliott.
Posted by al_sharp, Wed Sep-28-11 03:01 PM
made an entire successful career out of never saying a gatdamn thing.


avy: our new album. you may just like it. listen for free online @ http://theyesyesyalls.com

http://twitter.com/shamelessplug
http://theyesyesyalls.com
2607992, foh, biggie was a lyrical monster
Posted by melmag, Wed Sep-28-11 03:02 PM


the added personality was just the extra topping
2607993, RE: foh, biggie was a lyrical monster
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 03:03 PM
Read my comment dude on the thread.
2608335, true. See any song Premier produced for Big as evidence
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Sep-29-11 07:36 AM
a lot of the Ready to Die material, he was showing off. "Juicy" and basically the other singles were a bad indicator of what Biggie could really do. He could have been the only other rapper besides Snoop that could get away with anything.
2608963, That avatar just captivated me for a whole 2 min!
Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Sep-29-11 09:34 PM
2607998, you're all over the place with this, Big had one of the best flows ever
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Sep-28-11 03:11 PM
and Snoop has one of the five most classically melodic voices in the history of the genre.

Chuck D had a booming, powerful voice that grabbed your attention & he said some shit.

These guys don't really fit the category of what you're talking about in my eyes.
2608009, RE: you're all over the place with this, Big had one of the best flows ever
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 03:20 PM
Read again what I wrote my G.
2608020, Pimp C. Rick Ross. Trick Daddy. E-40. Too Short
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Sep-28-11 03:26 PM
2608332, I think Pimp C was better than Bun in the beginning
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Sep-29-11 07:34 AM
then Bun suddenly got on some Usain Bolt shit and lapped him
2610133, also, Too $hort should have been the first reply in this post
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Oct-03-11 11:34 AM
him and Biz Markie
2608025, Did I just inspire a spinoff post?
Posted by dalecooper, Wed Sep-28-11 03:27 PM
Cool.
2608031, RE: Did I just inspire a spinoff post?
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 03:32 PM
Indeed my G. You did.
2608029, Eazy-E
Posted by dalecooper, Wed Sep-28-11 03:29 PM
I'd also agree about Snoop - he's usually in the pocket with good flow, but his actual lyrical content is way secondary to his personality and just the way he says whatever he's saying. He could do a whole song of izzle-bizzle chuuuuch and it would sound cool.
2608336, good choice... I forgot Eazy in my list
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Sep-29-11 07:37 AM
he's easily one of my favorite rappers ever.
2608036, Greg N-I-C-E
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Sep-28-11 03:43 PM
Dude is just fun.
I would add Smooth B, but Smooth B doesn't exist without Greg Nice.
2608068, Yepppp, he had SILLY ass lines
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Sep-28-11 04:44 PM
2608038, Should we really be including rappers who have GREAT voices?
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Sep-28-11 03:50 PM
Snoop, Eazy E, Tupac, Chuck D all have really distinctive voices. If everything you say sounds good, can you really classify that as personality?
2608086, Those doods you named absolutely had both voice AND personality.
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-28-11 05:26 PM
But I see what you're saying.
2608042, Phife, when he was on the happy go lucky along for the ride tip.
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Sep-28-11 03:55 PM
His shtick was actually endearing back then. Outside of a handful of songs he wasn't very enjoyable on the later albums when he was actually taking himself seriously.
2608088, Agreed. He was a lot of fun to listen to...
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-28-11 05:27 PM
but not much to write home about lyrically, like at all.
2608993, yuppppp
Posted by mrliberfarb, Thu Sep-29-11 10:56 PM

Did not you know that my styles are top-dollar?
The five-foot assassin knockin fleas off his collar
Hip-hop scholar since bein knee-high to a duck
The height of mugsy bogues, complexion of a hockey puck
2608062, Ghostface. superior skill too, but his on-mic personality puts him
Posted by DonWonJusuton, Wed Sep-28-11 04:27 PM
over the edge and scoots him up that all-time list (imo)... so i know that doesn't really answer the original question, but still.. because dude's style is kinda hard to latch on to (for some), i'd imagine his personality carries him a long way w/ some ppl.. also, i think his personality is intertwined w/ his diction and rhyme style.. it's crazy how he can be sloppy, sharp, non sequitur, detailed silly and dead serious all at the same time... Ghostface has rare ability
2608072, RE: MC's Who's Passion or Personality make up for lack of Technical MC Skills: You need both?
Posted by Original Juice, Wed Sep-28-11 04:54 PM
- Cormega
- Too $hort (his game, personality, and old school style make you forget he's been doin the same flow and rhyme scheme since the mid to late 80's)
- The Jacka from Mob Figgaz (west coast Cormega)
- Lil B (hated on him for the longest, but his persona won me over)
- Biz Markie (dope emcee skills, but not a lyricist..)
- Phife Dawg (had a good feel for the music, a unique voice, and knew how to put together songs.. but limited with his rappin skills)
- BFAP/Sunspot Jonz (really choppy awkward flow and off tune sing songy raps, but 100% emotion reminiscent of Pac at his finest.. especially on the old underground Mystik Journeymen tapes).
- I love ODB and think his emcee skills are great/hype, but yeah.. definitely an acquired taste.. What sold me on him was the back&forth spittin' w/the RZA on "Cuttin' Headz"




White Bronco.
2608966, Co-sign on Sunspot Jonz
Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Sep-29-11 09:42 PM
That nigga choppy as hell! but I always felt where he was comin from. He'll make you feel where he was coming from.
2608077, Noreaga
Posted by Perception, Wed Sep-28-11 05:06 PM
I mean, let's be honest. He never was that good, but something about the way he approached rhyming. Even after The War Report where I heard Tragedy was writing for him, he was still making bangers all the way up til Melvyn Flynt. Even God's favorite had some aight songs.
2608083, Ludacris
Posted by Admbmb, Wed Sep-28-11 05:21 PM
He raps like nursery rhymes, but emphasizes the punchline so hard folks don't realize its corny.
2608087, AKA THE DMX POST also (THE DON OF HIP-HOP CREATIVITY)
Posted by M1ZSolitayre77, Wed Sep-28-11 05:27 PM
2608128, RE: MC's Who's Passion or Personality make up for lack of Technical MC Skills: You need both?
Posted by WARGOD357, Wed Sep-28-11 06:42 PM
MITCHY SLICK

BIG TWINZ

THIS POST NEED TO STEER BACK ON COURSE
2608145, I'd say a dude like Fat Joe fits the criteria perfectly.
Posted by cidolfas, Wed Sep-28-11 07:24 PM
2608552, Fat Joe can rhyme now... but in the beginning...
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Sep-29-11 12:02 PM
dude was POO POO

his beats weren't though
2608743, Yeah I'd say "Flow Joe" era Fat Joe fits here
Posted by micMajestic, Thu Sep-29-11 03:30 PM
>dude was POO POO
>
>his beats weren't though

Jealous Ones Envy was a tremendous step up lyrically.
2608749, I think he's still persona over lyrical skill.
Posted by cidolfas, Thu Sep-29-11 03:35 PM
Shit, I *like* the persona though, for what it's worth.

I'd always take his music over dudes like 50.
2608164, you white boys and lame niggas may never get it
Posted by CaringNegro, Wed Sep-28-11 08:20 PM
and thats okay

metaphors and multisylabic rhymes do not trump passion, and lyrical content ( the actual message being communicated)


you herbs cannot put this shit into a box... you want to but you cant



i leave you "i dont care if an emcee is rhymeing about eating cerial... as long as its dope" as lames be

{leaves this post like most real appreciaters of black music have left the lesson and this site]
2608190, RE: you white boys and lame niggas may never get it
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 09:08 PM
"metaphors and multisylabic rhymes do not trump passion, and lyrical content ( the actual message being communicated)"...THATS ONE OF THE BEST COMMENTS ON THE THREAD PERIOD


I can listen and enjoy a Tupac song much easier than someone spitting alot of shit just to be spitting...trying to sound educated. If the song isnt crafted the right way, it doesnt matter about the lyrics at that point b/c its not a well written song. Tupac, Kanye and a few others actually know how to make a song. The passion and the way the song is actually written is what stands the text of time.
2608265, im glad you understand that man
Posted by CaringNegro, Wed Sep-28-11 11:42 PM
.
2608309, RE: im glad you understand that man
Posted by Thanes1975, Thu Sep-29-11 05:40 AM
I follow what you were saying. At times people get so caught up on someone being "super lyrical" but cant write a song.
2608230, and you don't get that it doesn't have to be one or the other
Posted by Anonymous, Wed Sep-28-11 10:08 PM
fuck out of here with the dumb shit.

2608239, ding ding ding
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Sep-28-11 10:40 PM
2608505, Isn't that kinda the whole point of this thread?
Posted by dalecooper, Thu Sep-29-11 11:21 AM
The acknowledgement that personality/image/voice/message can make up for a lack of technical ability? You act like you're blowing minds, but from where I sit you're just saying the same thing most everybody in here is already talking about.

And get out with that tired "white boy" shit. Most of my favorite rappers are big personalities - I'd much rather listen to "The Chronic," which is hardly a technical clinic, than anything Black Thought has ever done (no offense to The Roots though). I enjoy some Big Pun but given the choice I'd rather listen to Kanye. And yeah, I'm white.
2608686, i been breezein through the lesson since dang near 98
Posted by CaringNegro, Thu Sep-29-11 01:58 PM
i know the demographic and what flys in here...


2608206, fu schnickens
Posted by justin_scott, Wed Sep-28-11 09:24 PM
.
2608236, RE: fu schnickens
Posted by Thanes1975, Wed Sep-28-11 10:36 PM
well damn.....people take threads serious around here..lol
2608328, Think this a game, n*gga?! ARF, ARF, ARF! Wu-Tang!
Posted by kenny_dust, Thu Sep-29-11 07:27 AM
>well damn.....people take threads serious around here..lol
2608331, Rick Ro$$, Caca Flocka Flame, Young Jeezy
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Sep-29-11 07:33 AM
I'm tempted to say Tim Dog, but he really only has one or two notable songs, and he was swagger jacking Chuck D like shit on one of them

2608348, Tim Dog was ok on that Ultra Album with Kool Keith
Posted by Adwhizz, Thu Sep-29-11 08:15 AM
The fact that Snoop and Dre even bothered Dissing him is hilarious in retrospect because of how obscure he is
2608513, "What'd you say about my mama!!?!?!??!?!" - Dre
Posted by Brew, Thu Sep-29-11 11:34 AM
2608548, man, Eiht did an ode to that dude
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Sep-29-11 11:59 AM
>The fact that Snoop and Dre even bothered Dissing him is
>hilarious in retrospect because of how obscure he is

the beat was "FUCK TIM DOG" over and over and over set to the drums from a Low Profile beat
2608351, your choices were horrible. i thought this was gonna be a Cormega post.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Thu Sep-29-11 08:27 AM
and for the record, i think he's terrible.
2608494, I'd say the opposite for Cormega
Posted by CMcMurtry, Thu Sep-29-11 11:07 AM
Lyrically, he's nice as fuck, but he's quite dry and has very little personality. He would've been perfect for a group though.
2608831, i thought Cormega fans dug his passion. no? *shrug*
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Thu Sep-29-11 05:25 PM
2610091, I dig his passion when he talks
Posted by CMcMurtry, Mon Oct-03-11 08:53 AM
He seems like he actually puts thought into his rhymes and appears to be a genuine fan of the game (as evidenced by him putting all those OGs on one track), but on the mic? Dryer than an old woman's vagina.
2610105, His rhymes are descriptive and evocative, but vocally he's flat
Posted by micMajestic, Mon Oct-03-11 09:54 AM
>
2608493, Maino
Posted by CMcMurtry, Thu Sep-29-11 11:06 AM
Though I'm sure I'm the only OKP who's a fan, ha.
2608501, I might as well put Shea Davis here, he's a nobody but he prolly has
Posted by micMajestic, Thu Sep-29-11 11:12 AM
more fans on OKP than Maino does. But yeah Maino fits the bill, he doesn't have lyrics, flow, or voice. People accept him because of his story, and his exploits.
At least Shea Davis is funny...
2608514, He "feels real"
Posted by CMcMurtry, Thu Sep-29-11 11:35 AM
I realize we're in an era where being genuine isn't really an issue, and I don't care about it as much as I did when I was a wide-eyed youth who thought 2Pac shooting a cop was the coolest thing in the world, but it's nice to see a rapper who is as real as his lyrics.

A dude who's had that street life, and doesn't glorify it. Who did the jail time all the rappers talk about, and says it's not a place you want to be.

Plus, I'm a sucker for underdogs making it.

The same reason I fucks with Glasses Malone.
2608663, RE: I might as well put Shea Davis here, he's a nobody but he prolly has
Posted by Thanes1975, Thu Sep-29-11 01:40 PM
lol..agreed
2608806, I fuck w/ Maino no homo
Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Sep-29-11 04:24 PM
#Gatesgang
#blackrag
2608542, Did anyone say Murs yet?
Posted by Brew, Thu Sep-29-11 11:56 AM
I love Murs, personally. And I think he's pretty talented, yet I think what makes him so appealing is his personality on the mic. He's got a great presence and is fun to listen to. Doesn't take himself very seriously, and just genuinely seems like someone you'd want to hang out with.

That said, I realize he's pretty damn talented so this isn't to say that his mic presence is the only reason he's worth listening to, I just think that it is the primary reason he's had the longevity he's had, moreso than his talent level.
2608579, I put him and Slug in the same leauge
Posted by Adwhizz, Thu Sep-29-11 12:18 PM
they aren't going to dazzle you with multis or punchlines.

Their flow isn't anything but average

but their content/sincerity is what sets them apart.
2608589, Yep, totally agreed.
Posted by Brew, Thu Sep-29-11 12:26 PM
They're both pretty simplistic, many of their rhymes end in one syllable rhymes, nothing crazy. But yea, the WAY they present what they're saying and even their topics put them on a higher level.
2609570, uh, both spit PLENTY of multi's. especially Slug.
Posted by FortifiedLive, Sat Oct-01-11 09:10 AM
eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhFTh9UeqAo

it's their rhyme patterns are very elementary. ill nonetheless.
2608702, Lil Wayne should be #s 1,2,3,4 and 5...
Posted by 8-bit, Thu Sep-29-11 02:26 PM
2608712, True.
Posted by Brew, Thu Sep-29-11 02:44 PM
2608732, lol okayplayer lol
Posted by Guinness, Thu Sep-29-11 03:20 PM
welcome to the only place in the universe where a rapper who flows effortlessly over any tempo, employs multiple syllables and uses constant clever wordplay is "technically unskilled."

2608746, He was clever in the past, but I don't think so on IV
Posted by cidolfas, Thu Sep-29-11 03:33 PM
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2608803, RE: lol okayplayer lol
Posted by Thanes1975, Thu Sep-29-11 04:23 PM
What MC are you talking about?
2608958, if you think Wayne is clever then
Posted by Anonymous, Thu Sep-29-11 09:24 PM
you're probably at a second grade reading level.

*smh*
2608971, nas lost.
Posted by Guinness, Thu Sep-29-11 10:00 PM
2609078, RE: nas lost.
Posted by Thanes1975, Fri Sep-30-11 06:52 AM
lol...leave my dude Nas alone...lol..lol
2610129, 'nas lost' = the greatest coping mechanism there ever was
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Oct-03-11 11:29 AM
Nas came in and Buster Douglas-ed Jay and all they can bring up is how he lost ... at everything EXCEPT the battle
2610144, also, one of the most enjoyable trolling devices.
Posted by Guinness, Mon Oct-03-11 11:54 AM
2610127, Wayne is BECOMING that kind of rapper now....
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Oct-03-11 11:28 AM
and that's why a number of us weren't so high on Tha Carter IV
2608809, Suga Free
Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Sep-29-11 04:32 PM
Although I think the motherfucker is technically quite gifted as far as timing, rapping, comedic flair, and sheer memorableness of his bars, his personality and style is what gets him over not his metaphors, similes, and time in the rapper library which I think this post is about
2608951, I'm goin' with Declaime AKA Dudley Perkins
Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Sep-29-11 09:03 PM
Not saying he doesn't have any skill, but It's his will and determination( whether singing or rapping) to get his message across that keeps me checkin' for him.
2608956, I wanna add Rasco to this post too
Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Sep-29-11 09:16 PM
Dude got skills, but his content can get a bit stale at times. What keeps me listening is his impeacable sense of rhythm. He is ALWAYS on beat like an extra instrument. Don't know if I'd consider this a flaw or personality trait, but he says nigga like 800 times on every track lol.
2609486, Prodigy and Method Man
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Fri Sep-30-11 09:10 PM
2609487, Cee-Lo, and to some extent Big Boi
Posted by Amritsar, Fri Sep-30-11 09:13 PM
2609557, RE: Cee-Lo, and to some extent Big Boi
Posted by Thanes1975, Sat Oct-01-11 08:10 AM
I agree about both of them also. They are nice but voices help at times.
2609491, DAS EFX
Posted by bentagain, Fri Sep-30-11 09:33 PM
yibbidy yabba dabba hoochie coochie

all personality and technical skills but a little light on content fellas
2610107, Tony Yayo & Uncle Murda
Posted by atruhead, Mon Oct-03-11 10:10 AM
2610110, Uncle Murda is an interesting one
Posted by CMcMurtry, Mon Oct-03-11 10:28 AM
I remember when he hit the scene a few years back, I thought, no way this guy is going anywhere. With that name and those lyrics (basically talking about killing people the way Clipse or Jeezy talk about moving cocaine), no chance. Then he signs with Jay-Z and it appears to be on its way. Nothing materializes however, and everyone seems to forget him.

FF three or four years, career seemingly dead, he now has one of the biggest records in all of NY. I never woulda guessed.

2610131, Prodigy in the last few years
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Oct-03-11 11:32 AM
compared to '90s - HNIC P he's slowed down
but I'll still listen for the persona
2610381, RE: Prodigy in the last few years
Posted by Thanes1975, Mon Oct-03-11 07:44 PM
Though I'm a huge Prodigy fan.....I agree