some of the early songs he tried to do or had guest features on, he was pretty wack.
by the time college dropout rolled around, i was just happy that he was now listenable because i was a fan of his production.

i don't blame jay-z for fronting on him initially. kanye must have sounded like an annoying little brother to him. which is why it is hilarious to see kanye outrap jay-z quite a few times on "watch the throne".