>we're talking about 91'-92. and the same to your comments
>about arena shows. fresh fest started in 84'?, and all the
>artists you listed were on some reincarnation of that tour
>with RUN DMC headlining

In 84 Hip Hop outside of NY was non existent and a joke to most New York Hip Hop heads. By 92 things were getting better by comparison and the Chronic was the main record that helped to change that.
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>and when you think about it logically, with hip-hop being born
>in NYC, and coming to the public's attention in the early
>80's, it was going to take time for the culture to spread to
>the west, and it was going to take some time for the west to
>cultivate it's own sound, so just dismissing everything as NYC
>bias seems a little naive.

The culture was out West for a long time. It just wasn't respected. LA, The Bay, The South, etc were all viewed as country and wack and not being real Hip Hop.

>and I'm not from NYC, so I can't really speak on what the
>mindset was. I'm assuming you're from LA and/or the west which
>is why I'm interested in your perspective.

Yep I'm from LA and anyone from LA knows just how testy and territorial New Yorkers were back in the days about Hip Hop. It's not a secret. Times have changed big time but you were not about to hear CMW, Spice 1 or DJ Quik on Stretch & Bobbitto for example. It just wasn't gonna happen. If you were going to hear any gangster type shit back then you would hear Just Ice or BDP's first record. You weren't about to hear 6 in the morning.
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>"Right that was my point that The Chronic was basically the
>first West Coast album to bust through big time on the east.
>That was the early 90's and things were changing and the
>Chronic was that big record that kicked the door in."
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>Hammer? Let's get it started was big in the east, sheeeiitt,
>we were wearing Hammer pants. And U can't touch this was out
>before the chronic, too legit to quit was out before the
>chronic too, so...

You can't seriously be bringing up MC Hammer in a discussion about hardcore Hip Hop. Hammer was a pop rap dancer dude from Oakland who dissed Run DMC. Any self respecting New York Hip Hop head hated his ass with a passion. He was the most vilified man in Hip Hop! You have to be aware of that. Hammer big in the East? Apparently you don't remember the Turn This Mutha Out video when Hammer's homie gets off the phone to tell him "You aint' hiting in New York hammer!! what you gon doing that??".
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>"Tim Dog's record was incredibly wack but it still sold
>relatively well and a big reason for that was that their was a
>good amount of hardcore old school NYC heads who were glad
>that someone was standing up and saying that the West was
>wack. It didn't last because Tim was utterly unlistenable but
>the sentiment was still there around 91 and early 92."
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>The Tim Dog reference is actually proving my point. He made a
>diss record about west coast artists because NWA and other
>west coast artists were winning fans in the late 80's. After
>NWA went platinum, record companies started signing
>imitations, and I think that's what might spark some
>resentment. This was in 91'. If the west coast artists aren't
>selling records in the east, would you even know who Tim Dog's
>wack ass is?

Tim Dog sold some records and even got a deal based on his diss because he not only attacked what was hot and selling records but he went after the West and what was perceived as wrong with Hip Hop. There were several people who felt the same way he was just the one who put it out there like that. Again you didn't have to sell records in the East to go platinum back then. If you sold everywhere but NY you could still get a gold or platinum record. That was basically Too Short's entire career. Big sales in Cali, Texas, Tenn, Miss, Bama and the rest of the South. He never needed the East or radio support to sell his shit and neither did many of the West Coast artists like Spice 1 and DJ Quik.
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