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2607172, In the early days absolutely
Posted by Luke Cage, Tue Sep-27-11 12:34 AM
>You make it seem that the second an artist was found out to
>be originally from outside of the East Coast it was the death
>knell. NYC had a very specific ethos that if you didn't
>follow they weren't really feeling you, but more then a few
>regional acts got played who had more 'universal' sounds, from
>DOC to Pharcyde.

If you weren't from NYC you got shitted on. Of course a lot of it had to do with the sound but plenty of Philly acts had an east coast sound but still couldn't get any respect. I remember reading about one of PE's early shows and how Melle Mel was in the crowd booing the shit out of them because they were from Long Island.

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>>Shit New York used to give shit to Philly and
>>even other areas of New York like Long Island so they
>>certainly weren't fucking with people they perceived to be
>>country and rocking jeri curls especially when they were
>>coming with what was seen as negative records back then when
>>most NY artists were promoting unity and some sense of Black
>>pride. NWA, Geto Boys, Too Short, were perceived as taking
>Hip
>>Hop back lyrically and socially. Tim Dog's only hit was Fuck
>>Compton a song basically dissing the entire West Coast.
>
>Depends on the time to. In the mid to late 80's I would agree
>with you, but with the early 90's there was a def. shift in
>that perception simply because hip-hop was becoming to big at
>a large rate. It's a bit hard for a Bronx MC to hate on a
>Long Island one if they are continually playing the same
>venues.

Right that was my point that The Chronic was basically the first West Coast album to bust through big time on the east. That was the early 90's and things were changing and the Chronic was that big record that kicked the door in.
>
>You have a point that it was hard for a 'pure' West Coast
>artist to break, like you said, it's a bit hard for someone
>who could barely stomach the D.A.I.S.Y. age to suddenly accept
>Too Short. But it wasn't a bias based on region however, just
>on sound. The acts that were able to stay West Coast but
>appeal to the East aesthetic did well(Deep Cover , Ice Cube's
>hardcore rapping w jeri curls and all). Tim Dog wasn't that
>big of a hit on NYC radio at all, I won't say it never got
>play, but compared to anything Cypress Hill dropped or even
>other classic NYC diss records? Not even close. You make it
>look like there was this active anti-west movement when there
>was anything but; dudes just felt what they felt and didn't
>want to get out of their lane -=SONICALLY=-. Its why a fraud
>mc like Boss could do well.

Tim Dog's record was incredibly wack but it still sold relatively well and a big reason for that was that their was a good amount of hardcore old school NYC heads who were glad that someone was standing up and saying that the West was wack. It didn't last because Tim was utterly unlistenable but the sentiment was still there around 91 and early 92.