What is the most "Slept On" Hip Hop album between the years of 2000-2010 and why?


To me its either Ghostface's Supreme Clientele #2000 or Talib Kweli's Train of Thought (Reflection Eternal album)....its crazy that they both came out in the year 2000. Both LP's got love from hip hop heads but they didn't go Plat. (I know its not about sales but so many LP's they were not half as good sold a million records, this is why I say they are overall slept on.) Besides, to me they are both Top 5 Hip Hop LP's of the decade.

What would be your choices and what are your thoughts on these 2 LP's also.

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Those two albums were hardly slept on. Supreme Clientele is probably in 50% of people top ten lists of the decade. When people still cared about Talib, that album got mentioned all the time.

The reason I named those to is because they should be mentioned among the Top 5 LP's of the decade to me but seem to get slighted at times...maybe not on okayplayer but other places..

One of the best hip hop albums of the decade and it barely moved any units, it's a damn shame.

Others:

Freeway - Free At Last (people talk about Free's debut all the time but this album is just as good, if not better)
De La Soul - The Grind Date
Wu-Tang Chamber Music

Regarding SC & ToT, SC is a classic and went gold, and ToT is a great album loved by most hip hop heads. In terms of sales, sure they were 'slept on', if you're judging by whether or not they went plat, but as far as the quality of music goes, they're far from it.

Two of my favorite albums of the decade and they sold shit. I still listen to them both regularly.

one of my favs.

i still have the original album which was a few years before the actual retail release.

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thats probably his best production on a whole, and the guests are great
the only thing that knocks it down for me is his insanely inept rapping

Both albums were dope as fuck. Beats were on point pretty much all the way through and Apathy's rhyming was ridiculous.

'Wanna Snuggle' suffered a bit from having too many tracks, but was still dope. 'Eastern Philosophy' is near classic.


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...and its not even close

I copped it with the original JCOR release. Good pick

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That album made Ghost a star. No way that album is slept on. I agree on RE's Train of Thought LP. Def a diamond in the rough. Great LP. I would put Scarface's the fix on that list too because it didn't even go gold. Clipse Hell Hath No Fury is on there too.

TOT is one of my favorite hiphop albums ever and was slept on big time sales-wise. Critically, though, I think everyone who knows about it thinks it's pretty amazing.

Yeah. Pretty much anybody I play that album for digs it. Even those that claim they don't like "backpack" rap.

I can't imagine considering Supreme Clientele slept on. Album sold damn well.

Also agreed on Face and Reflection Eternal.d

I feel you. The reason I said slept on was b/c to me more people should mention it among the GREAT classic LP's and at times its not mentioned.

What kind of drugs are you on? Supreme Clientele is in NO WAY slept on. And it is mentioned as a classic, and rightly so, all the time. It's more or less a consensus that it's one of the best "Wu" albums to ever come out, and most people who have even a passing knowledge of hip-hop rate it as one of the top-5 albums of the 2000's.

Unless you're using "slept on" ONLY in respect to the idiot masses who gobble up shit like BEP and Drake, then no, SC was in no way slept upon.

Cherez La Ghost was on that album, and that song was pretty big at the time. That's probably one of Ghost's best selling albums.

it can't be slept on when everyone sucks its dick all the time


(mind you, I rated it top 5 of the decade, so I'm guilty too)


I'm just sayin,
that album is the complete opposite of 'slept on'

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But unfortunately BET/MTV were only playing expensive videos back then, and Youtube hadn't been invented yet. "Pause" & "Shake It Down" would have definitely made nice video singles. I do remember my people were a little shocked at the lyrical content because "Fantastic 2" was our only frame of reference. We all still bumped the album anyway and came to understand that "Welcome to Detroit" might be a more accurate representation of who Dilla was than "Fantastic 2".

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Honestly, compare the Dizzy Gillespie skit to the dice game skit on Welcome to Detroit. Two, the music on Welcome to Detroit definitely gives more space for the bars to shine. Slum Village was more about matching up the flows with the music. Three, the content is just harder, the goofy quirks of T3 & Baatin are gone and replaced by real n!ggaisms and open mic nite thirst.

he's said many times he's not that kinda of guy really, he's just a normal nigga and W2D reflected that
the music is more in your face and abrasive on that one, and that suits his solo shit more if you ask me

Sure, it had its heyday, and it sold fairly well. But I honestly think
this album is on par with Blueprint and better than Black Album. It
really doesn't get adequate props as being one of Jay-Z's best efforts.

Mostly because of the trash he dropped to follow it up. I appreciate this album a lot more because there was barely any blatant attempt at radio friendly BS, and he just kept a pretty solid theme throughout.

Those that call it a "concept album" I still think are giving it a little too much credit, which is why I always trashed this album around here. But like I said, I've snice come around and now appreciate it for the solid effort that it is.

I wouldn't come anywhere close to calling it on par with Blueprint personally, Black Album either I don't think. But it is definitely a very solid album.

but in terms of LYRICS, I feel like one could make the argument that it's jay's best effort. he straight blacked out on nearly every song and his delivery on that album is unmatched IMO.

The production definitely makes it difficult to realize that, though I did like a lot of the beats on there. And I think the overall tone of the beats fit the theme rather well.

I love the beats on the original too though, but Pray was really saved on the AmericanDONUTs remix.


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that was a great album

also, i'll second (third?) De La Soul - Grind Date

and I know cats will clown me for it but i still feel like "Ghostdini and the Wizard of Poetry" is HIGHLY slept on.

>and I know cats will clown me for it but i still feel like
>"Ghostdini and the Wizard of Poetry" is HIGHLY slept on.

promoted it. What's the point then? You'd figure the initial line of thinking was that Ghost could pull off a whole album full of R&B themed songs. Obviously Def Jam knows that R&B requires a different level of promo than hip-hop to work, so you'd assume they were prepared for it. Ghost fulfilled his end of the bargain but he didn't get that type of promo, so it just looks like Def Jam just watched as Ghost jumped out the window. Pathetic.

the last ghost album that got decent promo was fishscale.

unless your name is ross, luda, or jeezy, there's no room in the budget for heavy promo.

and ghostdini was hardly an R&B album. i'd say the content was catered more toward women and he told stories about females, etc. but the production was still on point and it's not like ghost jumped on every verse autotuned out like everyone else.

drake and wayne's recent albums have been FAR more R&B than ghost's shit was.

>the last ghost album that got decent promo was fishscale.
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>unless your name is ross, luda, or jeezy, there's no room in
>the budget for heavy promo.
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>and ghostdini was hardly an R&B album. i'd say the content was
>catered more toward women and he told stories about females,
>etc. but the production was still on point and it's not like
>ghost jumped on every verse autotuned out like everyone else.
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>drake and wayne's recent albums have been FAR more R&B than
>ghost's shit was.

There is no hard and fast rule that says you can't try to sell a Ghostface album anymore, all that this situation was really saying is that the label wasn't willing to take a chance. Well if the label wasn't willing to take a chance, why even open up a budget for that type of project? If you aren't going to promote it, wouldn't it make more sense to have him make an album that you know his core fanbase is more likely to rock with like "Apollo Kids"? I don't care about industry bs, I'm just thinking logically here. And Ghost said himself that it was "an R&B album" so although I pretty agree with what you are saying in regards to that term, those were his words.

before the bullshit payola Lil Kim part at the end of the mag's run, it was a Top 5 Pop Billboard album, had a couple singles that got bigger rap-radio/video play than Face has gotten for two singles off one album in his career (My Block, Guess Who's Back) and received a strong promotional push with Face being Def Jam South prez plus got lots of 'make up call' love from critics.

If anything, that album is overrated, considering it's a 40 minute & change album that falls off in the second half badly with two many slow/conflicted-gangsta/spiritual/KellyPrice/Faith cuts in a row.

But it's certainly not 'slept-on' more like people calmed down from the bandwagon-treatment it received on its release to let it come back to earth a bit.

i'll be back later to respond to this but i don't agree at all

not so much around here but in general.

People here wouldn't name it cause we all love it and talk about it often, but that album was criminally slept on mainstream-wise. Excellent album.

Classic Album

besides Left Back which should've been left out of their discography...

I feel like most the people in this post (OP included) don't know the meaning of "slept on".

Every time someone post the slept-on...I'm gonna mention this album. A truly unique and (get this) EMOTIONAL album. Aside from "Back In The Mud" a great LP that everyone should give a listen to.

Others:

(outside of the internet) Little Brother-The Minstrel Show
Fabolous-Loso's Way
Nappy Roots-Wooden Leather
Evidence-The Weatherman LP

I love both albums.

Timbaland gave Bubba an entirely new sound, and Bubba rapped his ass off. Incredible album. Esp. the single.

Or you could really say any of their albums right here, because they never seem to get the love they deserve even on hip-hop centric messageboards like this. Oneirology was damn near just as good as APOS, and Dirty Acres was also a great album.


You know what it is? It's the fucking name. People who have never heard CL before just hear the name and think "that shits probably corny."

(at the time it came out) that it wouldnt get the appreciation it deserves until 5-10 years
down the road.


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But APOS definitely. I am mad i can't get it on vinyl, because i want to frame that and the new one for the album artwork alone.

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cats already dropped the fix by face which is the real answer

that or just tryin to live by devin the dude

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..maybe because it has personal meanings to me but i'd put it in the top 10 hip hop albums of the 00's. Def a classic, and doesn't get recognized enough. Far better than The Listening too

west coast gems that unfortunately didn't make any noise at all

http://www.amazon.com/Urban-Survival-Syndrome-Explicit/dp/B000XUSUCM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1315675024&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/West-Coast-Vaccine/dp/B0010WIBJ4/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315675110&sr=301-1

http://www.amazon.com/World-Premiere-Explicit/dp/B000S5CGYU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315675144&sr=301-1

http://www.amazon.com/Tear-Gas-Explicit/dp/B002CA8BYI/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315675159&sr=301-1

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took about 3 years before anyone even knew that album came out...

like... that shit was better for the records dropped in that year than Marcberg was in the year it was dropped.

there were more records I liked than I'll give credit for in 2004... but that shit was fire. came out of nowhere, really.

Game Theory popped into my head first because I don't even think Roots fans fully appreciate that classic enough. The two albums since pale in comparison...

Masta Ace is a good call too....and now I'm going to have to dig out Blast Radius and I'm about to check out Poor People's Day.

I gotta give a nod to The New Danger though. BOBS remains his best, Ecstatic is his most consistent...

But if you took 3 or 4 songs off The New Danger?? Damn.

A few heaters-

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOy9SsUQ7U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMV4o5ipiyA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR-lkrushow&feature=fvsr

And the crown f*cking jewel of that album-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14oz9jyBY8

None of my friends ever talk about this. I don't think they hear it until they come to my house and see what I have. My favorite one is the one with DJ Premier smoking the cigar and Guru looking like only he can look. The music makes me want to lay them both down for the stroke, you know?

yeah several of their LP's never get props but in past 10 years The Ownerz was their slept on LP

one of the best roc a fella releases of all time IMO

The nigga put his soul into that record
Understated yet effective wordplay
If it wasnt for high times... I think more people would have been on it

beanie sigel the b coming comes in second

Blitz the Ambassador

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I don't know of a better album by a rap group no one's listening to, certainly not in the last ten years.
Same cats complaining 'cause they can't get "that golden age hip hop anymore" for some reason have still not found this album.
GREAT album.
Beats, rhymes, life - it's all there.
Every single person I've played this for have become instant fans.
It's not even hard to get. Shit, it came out on Fat Beats, not exactly the most obscure of names.
CRIMINALLY slept on.


Good post by the way.


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Slept on cause nobody wants to hear that Black shit.


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>Slept on cause nobody wants to hear that Black shit.
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>Kev

I still haven't checked his latest though, I wonder how it measures up.

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The Listening
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A Gangster and a Gentleman
The Fix
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respectable list....some great albums on their. Not sure about Lefback as it sounded like something thrown together so they could break up Little Brother as a group but the other 3 LB albums were very good to Great....in my humble opinion

I wasn't up on forums and shit back then, still busy finding my music through review sites and such so I don't know how poppin off it was in these parts. f

I think it epitomized that underground era's strong points. It was one of those everyman rap albums (like Atmosphere around this time) but it still sounds exceptionally sincere and mature.

I know 3:16 is probably better and received more attention, but I like The End Of the Beginning just as much, maybe more.

Present day Murs just doesn't move me like he did back then. Songs like "You and I", "Brotherly Love" and "God's Work" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F9lQQg3HnY this one still gets me going) just seemed real honest and meaningful.

It's strange really, I'd say the majority of that era is underrated now. The whole relatable, realistic, everyman rap stuff.

It could be our present era. I definitely though 90's music was lame in the early 2000's but was down with the 80's. Maybe in 2015 and onwards these albums will come up again.

I don't know why, it could be because the underground disappeared (the day came when you did actually see rappers at this level of popularity collaborate with Kanye and the like) or it could be because people just got tired of relatable rap and wanted that flashy, outlandish shit we have now.

I kind of miss it actually.

Not a big Murs fan but I feel you. Earlier work was good. He has a pretty good flow.

but his stories and "every day man" connection was strongest then.

self-titled... slept on both commercially and otherwise.. yup


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The self-titled album actually made me confident that despite all the group changes, that they would be all right. Elzhi hadndled the lyrical side, T3 handled the stylistic side, and B.R. Gunna (Black Milk and Young RJ) were KILLING the production. Incredible album, wish they could've kept it going after that.

>The self-titled album actually made me confident that despite
>all the group changes, that they would be all right. Elzhi
>hadndled the lyrical side, T3 handled the stylistic side, and
>B.R. Gunna (Black Milk and Young RJ) were KILLING the
>production. Incredible album, wish they could've kept it going
>after that.


yeah, I feel like that was actually Black Milk's best era.. although I'm not sure exactly how he and Young RJ split up the production, I don't have the hard copy/cd jacket. Giant, Set It, Can I Be Me are still my favorite beats he has done (with the exception of Reunion). That album is timeless to me - first time I heard it I sat in my car listening til the shit overheated and started smoking because I wasn't paying attention


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It doesn't even have a damn wikipedia article. Even most "heads" never heard of the dude.

I love that fucking album, it's so GOOD.

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yep...easily Snoops second best LP

This album was straight fire, f'real.

But it's def one of his best 3 or 4 albums. I still think Top Dogg might be #2, Last Meal could be #3 or 4.

I see American Gangster mentioned and that was number 1 on billboard... Blue Carpet Treatment got hella play from almost everyone I know that listens to hip hop... I saw The Fix mentioned... Yeah, I'm not sure what some of these guys are talking about...

Because I agree, I'm like huh??!?????

A lot of albums are looked at as "Classic" or "complete trash" in the Lesson... not many ratings in between...

Maybe Black Moon "Total Eclipse"?

The singles were the worst on the album (mean Muggin and Muthafucka) but get past that and that album goes hard as fuck. And I'm saying this as an East Coast head....

n/m

Honestly,

This list has a ton. But I didn't see this one mentioned. And it's WORTH mentioning.

The Unspoken Heard is the hip-hop collaborative of rapper Asheru and producer Blue Black.


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(2001)
Living Legends, "Almost Famous"

(2002)
Devin the Dude, "Just Tryin' Ta Live"
Count Bass D, "Dwight Spitz"
Dr.Oop Capone & Black Love Crew, "Mad Hueman Disease"

(2003)
Gangstarr, "The Ownerz"

(2004)
Z-Man, "Dope or Dogfood"
Sach, "5th Ave"

(2005)
Maspyke, "Static"
The Gza/Genius vs. DJ Muggs, "Grandmasters"
The Perceptionists, "Black Dialogue"

(2006)
People Under The Stairs, "Stepfather"

(2007)
Y-Society, "Travel At Your Own Pace"

(2008)
Planet Asia vs. DJ Muggs, "Pain Language"

(2009)
Souls of Mischief, "Montezuma's Revenge"
Finale, "A Pipe Dream and a Promise"

(2010)
Dr. Oop "The Grateful Dread"





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