fave artist, album, song, whatevs. I was jammin to Pandora at the gym this morning and "Black Ice" came on. I sat down on a machine and just listened until it went off, lol. Man, they made some great music.

I have long argued that Soul Food is a top 5 rap album of all time and narrowly better than any Outkast album.

although I just cant put it over ATLiens. Probably because I think "Mainstream" is the single best song to come out of the entire Dungeon Family discography.

>although I just cant put it over ATLiens. Probably because I
>think "Mainstream" is the single best song to come out of the
>entire Dungeon Family discography.

No suprise the Mob is on it. Goodie Mob + Outkast songs were completely unfuckwittable for a while there in the 90's.

Git Up, Git Out being another great example, along with Sesame Street.

I love it though. It's a classic to me. But it's not better than "ATLiens" or "Aquemini."

Soul Food has more to say than those albums and honestly, it asks tougher questions and, at that time, most of Goodie were more insightful rappers than Big Boi.

you can debate the music not being as good, but Goodie's lyricism over the course of that album is about as good as you'll find in a group setting
I'm not sure if its my favorite DF LP or not, but I do think it's the best example of what they were about as a collective

than about lyrical content. Good lyrics are certainly a big plus, but even with a lyrics-heavy genre like hip hop I'm listening more to the vocal inflections and rhythms and rhymes than what is being said (the message).

Nothing about Soul Food is better than ATLiens or Aquemini to me.

Not the music, not the album vibe, & certainly not the rappers.

Cee-Lo is the only one who can come close to Dre & Big as an MC & his best verses are more on Goodie's second album (with a nod to maybe his best verse being on Southernplayalistic).

I will take any of Kast's first four albums over Soul Food personally but on the two middle ones it's not even that close.

than the ability of the rappers or quality of their rhymes. But I agree with you, Dre and Big are both better rappers than anybody in Goodie. No disrespect to those guys, by the way, because I like all of them. But both of the guys in Kast are all-timers.

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The idea that Cee Lo was head and shoulders, as a rapper, above everyone else in Goodie needs serious debunking. He was just the most straightforward.

Thought Process- Gipp's verse in it's quiet honesty is the antithesis of most political/fuck the police verses of that era.

Got me by the loose of my pants/ Got me on the curb and the traffic passes by/ No questions/ I said nothing/ Looking for the mutant to be bucking the law?/ Naw man, Gipp showed em my shit, closed my mouth, then I dipped/ Seems to me a G is a person who understands the plan/ Can't make no moves when you in the hands of the man... the whole verse is great. But that right there encompasses the helplessness of being a black man being harassed by the cops. Andre has the best verse on the song, but let's not act like Big Boi was on this level on Southernplayalistic.

Fighting- Yeah, I love Cee Lo's accapella shit at the end but is it that Khujo's preceding verse is just too complex or esoteric for anyone to appreciate? In my opinion, that is one of the most vivid verses I have ever heard, the frustration jumps out of the speakers, the imagery puts you right in the passenger seat of his car.

Guess Who- One of the best rap songs about mothers, if not the best. Instead of sugary sweet platitudes, all of them really deliver different visions of their relationships with their mothers. All while eschewing cliches that are so common in this type of song (if anyone does give resort to them it's Cee Lo, but I love his verse too).

But now that I am giving some examples, I have to say "Soul Food" is an all-encompassing piece of art. It's hard to chop it up into it's individual parts because at the end of the day this album is special because of it's intangibles:

The seamless blending of the street, the spiritual and straight up Public Enemy-esque political speech and resistance.

The understated production that nonetheless sets the table for the lyrics but never fails to complement.

Organized Noize killed this album, but they did so quietly, soulful but stripped down and raw as fuck.

The only rapper in Goodie Mob that Big Boi was better than in 1995 was maybe T-Mo. I mean...Big Boi could barely stay on topic for Git Up, Git Out on his own album in 95. Cee Lo and Gipp crushed him on that fam, I mean, come on, Gipp bodied him on that.

I'm not trying to turn this into a post downing Big Boi, who I love or Cee Lo, who was the most talented member of Goodie Mob by a decent margin. I just want people to stop shitting on Khujo and Gipp because they were really good rappers who also had the courage to do jump out of the box and challenge the status quo on all sorts of levels. I honestly think Gipp is a far more thought provoking MC than anyone in DF except Andre.

>The idea that Cee Lo was head and shoulders, as a rapper,
>above everyone else in Goodie needs serious debunking. He was
>just the most straightforward.
>
No, he was the best rapper in the group as far as an all-around MC: voice, flow, lyrics, charisma, quotables, etc.

Gipp second by far & it doesn't really matter that much between Khujo or T-Mo (I'd give the edge in terms of being memorable to Khujo but he had a voice/approach that only held up in small doses before you started feeling like Deebo was shouting at you with overdubbed ad-libs & an echo-chamber).

>Thought Process- Gipp's verse in it's quiet honesty is the
>antithesis of most political/fuck the police verses of that
>era.
>
>Got me by the loose of my pants/ Got me on the curb and the
>traffic passes by/ No questions/ I said nothing/ Looking for
>the mutant to be bucking the law?/ Naw man, Gipp showed em my
>shit, closed my mouth, then I dipped/ Seems to me a G is a
>person who understands the plan/ Can't make no moves when you
>in the hands of the man... the whole verse is great. But that
>right there encompasses the helplessness of being a black man
>being harassed by the cops. Andre has the best verse on the
>song, but let's not act like Big Boi was on this level on
>Southernplayalistic.
>
Like Gipp & agree Big wasn't killing it out of the gate, though he had to carry a lot more water than Gipp did & by ATLiens he eclipsed him.

>Fighting- Yeah, I love Cee Lo's accapella shit at the end but
>is it that Khujo's preceding verse is just too complex or
>esoteric for anyone to appreciate? In my opinion, that is one
>of the most vivid verses I have ever heard, the frustration
>jumps out of the speakers, the imagery puts you right in the
>passenger seat of his car.
>
That & Mainstream are prolly my two favorite verses he ever spit, though I don't really find it to be that complex or esoteric.

>Guess Who- One of the best rap songs about mothers, if not the
>best. Instead of sugary sweet platitudes, all of them really
>deliver different visions of their relationships with their
>mothers. All while eschewing cliches that are so common in
>this type of song (if anyone does give resort to them it's Cee
>Lo, but I love his verse too).
>
this song bores me start to finish & 'who was the first to hold you in some arms' has always made me cringe when I hear it.

>But now that I am giving some examples, I have to say "Soul
>Food" is an all-encompassing piece of art. It's hard to chop
>it up into it's individual parts because at the end of the day
>this album is special because of it's intangibles:
>
>The seamless blending of the street, the spiritual and
>straight up Public Enemy-esque political speech and
>resistance.
>
>The understated production that nonetheless sets the table for
>the lyrics but never fails to complement.
>
>Organized Noize killed this album, but they did so quietly,
>soulful but stripped down and raw as fuck.
>
It's a great album, somewhere in the 30-50 range of rap albums for me all-time.

But to me not one I'd go back to the same was as Aquemini or ATLiens.

More like Southernplayalistic level of quality but for different reasons & just on personal preference I'll take Kast.

>The only rapper in Goodie Mob that Big Boi was better than in
>1995 was maybe T-Mo. I mean...Big Boi could barely stay on
>topic for Git Up, Git Out on his own album in 95. Cee Lo and
>Gipp crushed him on that fam, I mean, come on, Gipp bodied him
>on that.
>
Why were we talking about Big in '95 when I was talking about albums 2 & 3?

I mean both Dre & Big made huge strides from that point, it helped Goodie that Kast broke the seal with their album, it gave them the opportunity (along with ONP) to come into Soul Food a lot more seasoned for their debut.

>I'm not trying to turn this into a post downing Big Boi, who I
>love or Cee Lo, who was the most talented member of Goodie Mob
>by a decent margin. I just want people to stop shitting on
>Khujo and Gipp because they were really good rappers who also
>had the courage to do jump out of the box and challenge the
>status quo on all sorts of levels. I honestly think Gipp is a
>far more thought provoking MC than anyone in DF except Andre.
>
I like Gipp, not gonna knock him. I'll take prime-Kast-era Big over prime-Goodie-era Gipp & Sir Lucious Leftfoot over Mutant Mindframe.

Khujo to me is an aquired taste by comparison & T-Mo doesn't really matter.

if they'd have made that album like Aquemini it wouldn't have worked
the stripped down and bare aspect of it is more in line with the tone of the record

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and i felt like Goodie Mo was speaking about and for my experiences as a young blaxican male in america. their words were so damn gripping on that album

I personally favor Kast's uneffwitable output, but the humble, ghetto, spiritual vibe of that record is just perfect. *makes that Italian chef hand motion*

I am not in any way saying Goodie Mob's career output is anywhere near Outkast. But Soul Food is the best album the collective has done.

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ATLiens
Soul Food
Aquemini

top 3 DF releases imo

which albums are!?!! Soul Food aint far behind either. it is simply one of the best rap records of the 90s

was the illest rapper there was to me, period. cats that thought they was too hood for the Goodie made fun of me for that all the time.

"Still Standing", "I Refuse Limitation", "Gutta Butta", "Distant Wilderness", "Ghetto-Ology", "The Experience", shoot even "Follow the Lights" and "White Gutz", to me there's only a handful of emcees who can match that (I won't go into who, because none of them are the canonized GOATs...except maybe one).

and after a while, I noticed that T-Mo, Khujo AND Gipp are all crazy nice, equals with Big Boi or just a hair below him, but they go ignored (like Big in favor of Dre) because unfortunately, most Goodie Mob or DF songs are just a nice little wait until Cee-Lo gets on and shuts ish down.

and man, I ain't gon lie...when I hear folks say he's a mediocre rapper OR singer...I'm just perplexed, because he's so good at both that it ain't even fair, really. the only thing that stops him from being a top 3 all-time emcee in my book is his drastic lowering of the bar post Even in Darkness. and his singin is straight church to me. he sings like Al Green just spit him out.

dude is just...songs where Cee-Lo lives up to his potential just make me shake my head and chuckle to myself.

across an whole album ever.

He destroyed every damn verse on that album...and had at least 3 classic verses.....shit all of em classic to me lol.

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the best verses I've ever heard a rapper spit.

verses for the genre, both in the Top 10 argument for me.

I mean a verse talkin about gettin carjacked and having the jacker drop you off at the crib? when I first heard that shit I flipped...
but I love the other 3 as well

classic verses.

Realeast Verse ever.

I just listened to Mutant Mindframe on spotify, mad I took that long to listen. I know a lot of people usually listen out for Cee-Lo & Dre because they're dope w/wordplay but me, I always look forward to Khujo. He may not have the most intricate flow but damn he be saying some shit. His verse on Mainstream is what made me go back and listen to his other stuff with a different set of ears.

>for Cee-Lo & Dre because they're dope w/wordplay but me, I
>always look forward to Khujo. He may not have the most
>intricate flow but damn he be saying some shit.

yeah, being a politically incorrect Muslim won't make you popular, but his boldness and conviction makes him my second favorite out the group.

Gipp really needs to drop another album
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I felt like most of the songs were too long...almost every song without a guest had Gipp spitting 3 verses and when I am used to hearing an MC in a group setting I just feel that 3 verses by the same MC get redundant...
but i'm being nitpicky...it was a great album and highly slept on...
Plus it came out at the height of album leaks and i remember a lot of folks got that one for "free"

AND the Society of Soul Brainchild album

AND Lil Will Better Days album

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Its amazing.

I'll forever look at L.A. Reid sideways for deciding to work an unneccessary OutKast greatest hits album than Even In Darkness. This caused strife within this group that still exists.

youth is looked at as a negative trait here, but I'll gon head and give myself away.

The first time I ever bought a CD, I got Stankonia and EWF's Greatest Hits. I was thirteen, and wasn't really feelin hip hop until I heard "BOB", "Ms. Jackson" (yeah, I know, but I still love it), and "So Fresh, So Clean" because my parents clung to the music of their era, and I was spoiled by P-Funk, James Brown, Rick James, etc., and suckered into thinking that hip hop was severely inferior to the music of the 70's and early 80's.

at the time, OutKast were prolly the some of the funkiest and most "musical" amongst their peers, so I really took to it, and listened to that album over and over and over again. oddly enough, the sound of that album is what got me deep into the likes of Prince, Hendrix, and earlier Funkadelic...and that's when my mother started asking me if I did drugs.

anyway, the incredible thing about OutKast to me is that for those first four group albums and even with Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, they reinvented themselves every time, stayed ahead of the game starting with ATLiens, and experimented without ever losing my ear. OutKast, to me, can do no wrong (okay, maybe on some of Idlewild).

>thinking that hip hop was severely inferior to the music of the 70's

Off topic but I'm starting to feel this way myself. I regret that as a young'in I pretty much shunned all other music and listened solely to hip hop. I gotta give the side eye to anybody that mentions Dr Dre or Kanye in the same sentence as Quincy Jones.

balances out, hopefully the music will for you too. especially since when you first discover great music (for yourself), it seems to blow everything else you've heard out of the water...but that eventually calms down.

Q was great at what he did.
Kanye is great at what he does.

...and Dr. Dre hasn't made an interesting beat since "Bad Intentions".
Amen.

It's hard to respect hip hop from a musical perspective. Making beats requires creativity but it doesn't necessarily require music talent or anything more than minimal knowledge of music theory. That's why it's hard to compare hip hop greats to other genres.

It is a step below. I mean, it evolved from kids in the hood growing up at a time when art and music classes were cut out of schools. So, they were just making do with what they had to work with. That's cool and all but you have to recognize that it's limited because of that. I see people in denial trying to act like chopping samples in Fruity Loops makes them a musician. That's bullshit, you're a cut and paste artist.

Synths are a different story, at least you're creating your own sounds but I'm not gonna get into that.

The thing that makes OutKast my favorite group over cats like EPMD, Run DMC, ATCQ or whoever is their musicality. They're not just loopin up some shit and calling it a day. Take a song like "Funkin Around" it doesn't sound like funk, it is funk. Where as EPMD can sample a funk song and sound like funk but it's not funk itself, just a lesser copy, if you know what I'm saying.

He was the one who first spit the phrase "Dirty South",talked about the "Trap",(BEFORE T.I.),and IMO "East Point's Greatest Hit" is as good as ANY Dungeon Fam LP from beginning to end.

he predated Tip's whole style really.

i agree, but Tip fans might lose their shit if they heard some one speak it out loud

"i got p's on my wall and i ain't talkin' bout pictures..."

so slept on.

I have nothing to contribute to this poast. I'm too old to give a shit about debating semantics or "putting people on". They're dope individually and collectively, and are the gold standard of MC's in Atlanta.

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I second that. One of the most unusual, but excellent, rap albums of the 90's. As original and unpredictable as Return to the 36, just not as good.

UNFORTUNATELY when i hit some "hard times", i got rid of a bunch of CDs and that was one of them and its damn near impossible to find. the holiday video isn't even on Youtube

DF is by far my favorite collective of all time. It's not even close. I will argue about the greatness of these men until the death. My current computra wallpaper is the photo from the VIBE Am I My Brother's Keeper article. I.Am.A.STAN. When the new Kast and Goodie albums come out (yup! still holding out for em) I don't know wtf ima do

Perfect show starter.



Kev

concerts.

I sounded horrible waaaaaay before Goodie came on.

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popular thing to do, but I would submit that between ATLiens and Aquemeni Big Boi was damn near the best rapper on Earth. Dude just demolished song after song. Nothing corny, nothing overdone.

was that he was all rappity-rap all the time, like a pitcher whose arsenal consisted of nothing but a monster fastball. Andre seemed more complex and diverse, while still being able to keep up with Big Boi when it seemed appropriate (like his verse on "Return of the G"). I think Big has matured as a rapper though. He gave a great and well-rounded performance on his solo album.

>I realize that Andre>>>>>>>>Big Boi was the popular thing to do


then try to argue in the opposite direction

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just stating my opinion to open up some discussion. You do your thing, though man.

I really wish Whild Peach would've released more material as a group. I know they played on a lot of DF tracks but the singer had an amazing voice. Too bad she passed away.

>I really wish Whild Peach would've released more
>material as a group. I know they played on a lot of DF tracks
>but the singer had an amazing voice. Too bad she passed away.

This is one of my fav joints from the Idlewild Soundtrack (Album):
Whild Peach - Mutron Angel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SpBo1u4IGo

^Awesome song.

Here's another good song from them:

http://www.mediafire.com/?2ai0majw1x3bqgw

Scenario, etc. etc....but it annoys me that DF's classics aren't seen in the same light.

It seems like there's only a select crowd of Hip Hop Heads who react to their tracks in the same way that they do to all the overtypical Hip Hop party staples. When I played my DF set before Big K.R.I.T. went on, the only song that really got reaction was "ATLiens"...but when I did my monthly bar that's Hip Hop, I got reaction from "Watch for the hook" "Black ice" "Skew it on the Bar-B" "Cell therapy" and "Benz or Beamer" as well.

So eh...I wish DJ's played more than just "ATLiens" "Rosa Parks" and "Get rich to dis" on that Hip Hop vibe. Their songs are almost forgotten about and even unknown to folks who weren't there at the time. That shit needs to change!!!!!

*end rant*

Organize Nosie for 3-4 years made some amazing beats/production

its funny that the "HEADZ" really didnt fuck with Kast much outside of Atliens. I find myself being that dude out of like three that starts rockin' when the songs you mentioned start playing along side the stables... it's a strange WTF yall don't remember these type of moment

by the way where do you spin in LA

I support this post, FULLY.

OutKast: Sole Sunday Featuring Goodie Mob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGNOPoP5Uw

I don't like Nappy Roots in any shape/form/fashion, but I remember some people being interested in their album with ONP.

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My favorite crew after the Native Tongue and the Wu....Very underrated talent in that collective beyond Kast and the MOB...

"Holiday" by Witchdoctor was my SHIT...


Cool Breeze's "Watch For The Hook"?....Insane....

In the '90s and early 00's those guys were in a zone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mI67lD1yF0

And all her freaky friends.

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I always preferred Gipp. I think its because I loved his voice and his demeanor/swag/the way he put words together to make shit sound fly, dude was kind of like the tall, southern Raekwon except without all the slang and lingo.

Most of my favorite Goodie verses came from Gipp


I also still can't stand Cee-Lo's voice to this day. I grit my teeth and bear through it because he's a great rapper. I wish God would have put a little more bass in that man's voice.

that in terms visuals, lyrics and sonics DF was more progressive example of Blackness and Black Art in the late 90s than say the backpack and soulquarian contingent

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http://www.complex.com/music/2012/02/organized-noize-tells-all-the-stories-behind-their-classic-records/#gallery

LMA @ Tide wanting to use So Fresh, So Clean

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always second-to-last.

Cee-Lo BODIED this album

I just listened to it a few weeks ago and didn't disappoint.

He doesn't have any intricate patterns and schemes, but Cool Breeze constantly drops classic lines.

'When I was younger I was taught that
two wrongs don't make a right but it'll damn sho get your money back'

I love that album.

That's all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IWUTeG_9NU

So good.

EPGH stays in my rotation
it's the most

Unapologetically Atlanta album of all time

But:

All the kast Lps minus the soundtrack
Goodie's 1st 2 (although on monkey actually was decent)
Breeze
Witchdoctor
Speaker box/love below
Big boi solo
Cee lo/gnarles Barkley
Society of soul

Is pretty much the pinnicle

Oh yeah and Cee lo >>>3000 at the end of the day
but that's another post

What a fantastic album that was. One of the best soul releases in recent memory and Organized Noises's last great work, imo. It's worth a revisit.

The whole DF will forever get love from the kid. What they did was just amazing. I still need to see Goodie live though. I've seen Kast but never the G. Mo B.