and it ain't even close and I loved Roger as a Musician, but Donald Fagan and Walter Becker be doing Keith Jarrett, Duke Ellington with other hybrids.

when did Joe Sample ever groove on a Roger and Zapp album and yet was doing session work and the Steely stuff was the sho nuff truth?

"Black cow" alone was sampled and flipped like a Hot cake at dennys all kinds of sideways.

"FM" is a beast of a Jam the Sax version and the Guitar solo version.

if you stick to grooves in your conversation i can say yes, but when you start talking about songwriting and impact you are off the mark.

naw never said that Roger had to be Curtis Mayfield, however the gimmick of the talkbox put him more closer to Frankie Smith than to curtis Mayfield especially when we are talking about songwriting.

Steely Dan has a wide range of hybrid sounds which Roger and Zapp never were seeing, Roger as a Musician can hang with a whole lot of cats, but as a Songwriter, Producer? Marginal at best.

the three cuts you mentioned are classic grooves and jams, but it ain't like they are exactly going to make Stevie Wonder to forget his glasses.