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2579249, Stevie Wonder's drumming.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 09:51 AM
STILL criminally underrated.

Why?

He might be my favorite drummer of all time. (Other than NEIL PEART!!!!!!!)

Anybody know whether he provided the drums and percussions on the Supremes' "Bad Weather" himself? http://youtu.be/ZEz3Ph-VoiU
2579251, the black and white youtube clip is still mindblowing
Posted by Ally Al 2003, Fri Jul-29-11 09:57 AM
doesnt matter how many times i watch it
2579254, I watched it like 3 times yesterday.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 09:59 AM
Since listening to your 'cast I've been on a serious Stevie tear the past few days
2579293, glad to be of service
Posted by Ally Al 2003, Fri Jul-29-11 10:55 AM
2579256, I didn't hear "Bad Weather" until years after on a compilation
Posted by soulive, Fri Jul-29-11 10:02 AM
Am I tripping or did I once read that Stevie records his drum parts one at a time like Leon Sylvers did?

My favorite Steve on the drums moments

He's Misstra Know It All (the long fade it brilliant)
Sugar
Buttercup (assuming it's him on the J5 version. Sheesh)
Power Flower
Blame It On The Sun
Summer Soft
That Girl
Superstition (he talked about getting out of pocket and not correcting it during mixing.)
Knocks Me Off My Feet (the hi-hat on this is the 8th wonder of the world, no pun.)
Joy Inside My Tears
2579264, What do you mean 'one at a time'?
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 10:12 AM
>Am I tripping or did I once read that Stevie records his drum
>parts one at a time like Leon Sylvers did?

Do you mean he plays each piece of the drum ensemble separately?

That is totally insane.

>My favorite Steve on the drums moments
>
>He's Misstra Know It All (the long fade it brilliant)

oh yeah.... sends chills up my spine every time I hear that!

>Sugar

I really love his drumming from this era, just straight-ahead Motown groove, no frills.

>Buttercup (assuming it's him on the J5 version. Sheesh)

I don't know if that's him but it certainly sounds like his style, though somewhat more stripped down and straightforward than what I expect from Stevie.

>Blame It On The Sun

Yeah, those drums are so moody and reflective. Stevie is one of the few drummers who I feel actually conveys as much emotion through his drums as he does through his vocals or his performance on melodic instruments.

>That Girl

That might have been the first song that I remember really noticing Stevie's drumming on... and coincidentally enough, according to ?uest, it was the last song he actually played live on.

>Superstition (he talked about getting out of pocket and not
>correcting it during mixing.)

His early 1970s LPs have quite a few moments like that, which is what makes them sound so joyous and spontaneous 40 years later.

>Knocks Me Off My Feet (the hi-hat on this is the 8th wonder of
>the world, no pun.)

This was my favorite Stevie Wonder drum performance for years. It was the one that made me realize that just because you're singing a midtempo or a ballad, doesn't mean your drums shouldn't kick like fuck! (Al Jackson's performance on Al Green's records was my further education in this concept)



2579322, Yeah man
Posted by soulive, Fri Jul-29-11 11:54 AM

>
>Do you mean he plays each piece of the drum ensemble
>separately?
>
>That is totally insane.
>

I remember reading he recorded each part separately on some tracks. Insane indeed considering how spontaneous and fluid the end result usually is.
2579331, Okay.... now that is just crazy.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:05 PM
You know any songs in particular that he is supposed to have used this method on?
2579385, Look for the Superstition multitrack....
Posted by The Wordsmith, Fri Jul-29-11 01:02 PM
....some of those tracks you can hear things such as the kick being muffled while the focus is on the snare and vice versa and so on and so on.





Since 1976

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2579388, I'll check for that!
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 01:04 PM
2579430, me too! i'm gonna look in my inbox for it!
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Fri Jul-29-11 01:50 PM
2579893, No...
Posted by Jaymz, Sat Jul-30-11 09:00 PM
He recorded all of them at once.

One track is the kick drum *mic*, another is the snare drum *mic*, another is the hi-hat *mic*.
2579895, ahhhh....
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Sat Jul-30-11 09:05 PM
>He recorded all of them at once.
>
>One track is the kick drum *mic*, another is the snare drum
>*mic*, another is the hi-hat *mic*.

So you mean he PLAYED the complete drum ensemble each time but micing different sections in different sessions?

That's still pretty crazy, though...
2580342, Noooooo
Posted by Jaymz, Mon Aug-01-11 11:00 AM
They're not different sessions - it's one take in one session.
2580344, sorry, I said 'session' when I meant 'take'
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Mon Aug-01-11 11:03 AM
What I meant was that the microphones were moved for each take?
2579268, If You Really Love Me
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 10:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFVh_5cfmw

I don't know what is more mind-blowing on this track: the drumming or the vocals by Stevie and Rita.

And oh those horns!
2579397, This was the first "signature" drum sound I noticed
Posted by soulive, Fri Jul-29-11 01:11 PM
it had a terribly rhythmic, almost sloppy-sounding snare. It's amazing how the drums seem in time and drag behind all at once. I'm glad he didn't do the alias thing too tough (that Eivets Rednow shit ain't fool a soul) because his touch would've told on him every time.
2580228, the handclaps kill it on this song for me though
Posted by Ray_Snill, Mon Aug-01-11 12:06 AM

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2579272, I Love Every Little Thing About You
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 10:24 AM
http://youtu.be/mCDWMqWZbqQ

Just listen to the personality in those beats! You can actually hear him smiling in the rhythm
2579464, This song ALWAYS makes me smile nm
Posted by El_essence, Fri Jul-29-11 02:33 PM
.
2579275, teddy pendegrass was dope too
Posted by buildingblock, Fri Jul-29-11 10:26 AM
2579278, yeah, there's a lot of dope sanging drummers.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 10:29 AM
this is about Steveland though
2579284, One of the greatest things about those great records.
Posted by BSharp, Fri Jul-29-11 10:37 AM
2579296, RE: Stevie Wonder's song Sugar is underrated, period
Posted by boyd, Fri Jul-29-11 11:03 AM
youtube that ish.
2579326, What's better?
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 12:01 PM
Stevie's drumming or Prince's bass playing?
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2579330, Stevie's drumming.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:04 PM
I like Prince's bass* playing on his first couple of records but from the mid-80s onwards, I can't think of too many times he's arrested my attention in that way.

You wanna throw up a few specimens to persuade me to reconsider?




*and rhythm guitar!
2579336, stevie's drumming easily
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 PM
prince its the whole sound, prince ain't seeing too many folks on instruments per se, but for a complete sound prince has his own lane.

stevie though can see you on a instrument and has his own sound and lane
2579339, I actually agree with this on some level.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:19 PM
>stevie though can see you on a instrument and has his own
>sound and lane

Maybe it's just me because I'm not as deep into Prince as some other folks, but I can't recognize Prince's "voice" on any particular instrument... though I can recognize his overall sound(s).

And that's (one of the reasons) why I'll always rank Stevie far above Prince even though it seems fashionable these days to give P the crown because he plays more instruments and has displayed a wider stylistic range. I think Stevie *inhabits* his sound a lot more deeply than P does.
2579347, i hear his voice in drum programming and on guitar.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:24 PM
and on keyboards, to an extent.

but definitely in the drum programming and guitar, both lead and rhythm (especially rhythm).

drum programming - 'Ballad of Dorothy Parker' http://www.myspace.com/prince/music/songs/the-ballad-of-dorothy-parker-28201523 ;

'If I Was Your Girlfriend' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4C9qR9wJVw

rhythm guitar - 'Batdance' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgq3UaATX_U&feature=player_detailpage#t=196s
2579352, Even as I was typing I wanted to correct myself on the programming
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:31 PM
Yes, I would agree that the drum programming is Prince's signature instrumental voice. Especially in the early 80s.

I don't exactly hear the (lead) guitar, personally.

I mean... I *do* know P's guitar voice. That mid-70s Santana vibe thing. But for some reason I've never found it distinctive enough.

I've always LOVED his rhythm guitar, though... it don't sound as sharp as it used to, but that's probably due to the way he's recording it now.
2579354, he killed that rhythm guitar on 'Batdance'.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:32 PM
the Vicki Vale section.

that might be my favorite.
2579363, Sexy Dancer is the ultimate.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Fri Jul-29-11 12:43 PM
2579365, he put his foot in that one.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:46 PM
2579399, Lady Cab Driver is pretty neat too
Posted by Ally Al 2003, Fri Jul-29-11 01:13 PM
2579428, i was coming back to say that...seriously.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Fri Jul-29-11 01:48 PM
he KILT the drums on that one too.
2579455, great minds Tone
Posted by Ally Al 2003, Fri Jul-29-11 02:24 PM
The Rhythm Guitar too.....and the keys.....and Jill lol
2579355, We made pretty much the same post
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 12:32 PM
I was going to bring up keys too but then I honestly can't tell his playing from Lisa or Dr Fink's at times... but then a lot of that has to do with the fact they are playing it "Prince's way"
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2579357, does this sound like Prince on keyboards?
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcrf_iaRrE

i think one of the problems w/isolating Prince on instruments is we're used to hearing him play everything on a song - and usually a song HE wrote. his sound is about the sum of the parts, not the parts as individual pieces. that's why i picked this song to figure out if we can hear a voice on keys. b/c all Prince does on this song is play keys. he didn't even write it.
2579369, and this is essentially what maxxx is saying:
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:50 PM
>his sound is about the sum of the
>parts, not the parts as individual pieces.

NTTAWWT, btw
2579373, yeah and i agree.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:54 PM
except i think he does have a voice on a couple instruments.
2579564, RE: yeah and i agree.
Posted by murph71, Fri Jul-29-11 05:31 PM
>except i think he does have a voice on a couple instruments.


He has a voice on three instruments...

Drumming (or drum programming)

Rhythm guitar (he's probably the best of his generation in this department....From "Sexy Dancer" to "Controversy" to even "Musicology"...He is fluid in that regard...)

Keyboards/Piano (it's all in the cold sounding "Prince" chords....)

The irony is in the last decade Prince has become a better lead guitarist...His tone no longer is just a nod to Santana as it was in the '80s and much of the '90s....It's gotten much more harder....


And yeah...Stevie is a FUCKING BEAST on drums....I still get a kick out of seeing him in that making of Songs In The Key of Life special...


2579955, P definitely turned it up on lead guitar recently.
Posted by SoWhat, Sun Jul-31-11 01:30 AM
i think it's b/c he doesn't/shouldn't dance as much on stage as he used to.
2579979, prince its the sound
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Sun Jul-31-11 03:51 AM
yeah you can say him on rhythmn guitar though Nile Rogers,Roger Troutman are there IMO.

even when you pick rhythm guitar, drum programming, never cared much for Prince as a drummer

the minniapolis sound was ding, ding the sound not based on his dominating a instrument per se, but the sound was connected.

it was the overall thing not one thing
2579378, I wouldn't have thought "Prince" just hearing that
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 12:59 PM
without knowing anything about the track
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2579348, prince can't hold stevie's glasses on a instrument, vocals,pen
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Fri Jul-29-11 12:25 PM
etc... prince is badd, however he ain't stevie wonder bad and prince knows it himself.

prince got the hybrid thing 101 in full effect but naw vocally or as a instrumentalist he doesn't have the tone or voice that stevie got not even close.

Stevie is muhammad Ali to prince's larry holmes in the overall bigger picture
2579353, Stevie drum programming vs. Prince drum programming.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:31 PM
good luck, Steveland.

777 9311

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGRkFyN-Bk&feature=related

Something In the Water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxiGW9mhLXM&feature=player_detailpage#t=571s

Part Time Lover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6LLGePYwM

I Love You Too Much

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBUbruh7kmw
2579361, I haven't listened to 1999 in a while...
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:40 PM
>Something In the Water
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxiGW9mhLXM&feature=player_detailpage#t=571s

I think I might have forgotten how ill this song is
2579381, The live version from his 1984 birthday show is even better
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 01:00 PM
When I first got my hands on that I played it like 4-5 times in a row
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2579384, you can send to me later?
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 01:01 PM
2579391, you never got that soundboard recording when it was up?
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 01:08 PM
yeah no problem

it's hands down the best prince live set I've heard in both quality and material.
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2579401, oh, I don't think I ever went into that post at all
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 01:14 PM
yeah, I'd appreciate it.. thanks!
2579410, They were FLAC files
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 01:23 PM
I converted it to mp3 @ 320... which one you want?
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2579412, 320 is fine.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 01:26 PM
2579415, I'll hook it up this afternoon
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 01:34 PM
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2579420, Can I partake?
Posted by liger_trainer, Fri Jul-29-11 01:38 PM
Please. :)
2579423, drop me an inbox
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 01:41 PM

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2579568, RE: I'll hook it up this afternoon
Posted by murph71, Fri Jul-29-11 05:44 PM



Hook a 320 up for a brother OP....My copy is shitty....Thanks homie...
2579503, Never Paid Attention To Brown Mark Before This Set....
Posted by Harlepolis, Fri Jul-29-11 03:21 PM
>When I first got my hands on that I played it like 4-5 times
>in a row
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He showed his ass in "All Day, All Night" and "17 Days". What a great show.....
2579541, You and me both
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 04:59 PM
Dude was beasting that night
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2579413, I thought was a preset on the Linn LM-1?
Posted by liger_trainer, Fri Jul-29-11 01:31 PM
>777 9311
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGRkFyN-Bk&feature=related
2579414, that's 1 hell of a pre-set.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 01:33 PM
2579570, RE: prince can't hold stevie's glasses on a instrument, vocals,pen
Posted by murph71, Fri Jul-29-11 05:50 PM

>Stevie is muhammad Ali


This is true^^^^^

>to prince's larry holmes in the overall
>bigger picture


Uh...no....More like Sugar Ray Robinson.....
2579351, I brought it up because I think both are underrated on those instruments
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 12:29 PM
I would also agree Stevie's drumming >>> P's Bass playing... but not by a very wide margin. Watching P stand toe to toe with Larry Graham and hold his own really gave me a new respect for the way P handles the bass.

>Maybe it's just me because I'm not as deep into Prince as some
>other folks, but I can't recognize Prince's "voice" on any
>particular instrument...

I think Prince has a voice on rhythm guitar... I'd say lead too but I really don't want to open that box right now. And while I know it's a little different I'd say Prince showed a "voice" on the Linn... so much so that those patterns are universally heard as his.

>And that's (one of the reasons) why I'll always rank Stevie
>far above Prince even though it seems fashionable these days
>to give P the crown because he plays more instruments and has
>displayed a wider stylistic range. I think Stevie *inhabits*
>his sound a lot more deeply than P does.

I love both so I'll leave this be.... but most people already know where I stand on this.


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2579332, Too High has always been a drum favorite of mine
Posted by drugs, Fri Jul-29-11 12:07 PM
2579333, yeah, he showed out on that one too.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:09 PM
Pretty much all of Innervisions is just some genius drumwork, imo
2579572, RE: yeah, he showed out on that one too.
Posted by murph71, Fri Jul-29-11 05:54 PM
>Pretty much all of Innervisions is just some genius drumwork,
>imo



Holy shit...I didn't know that was Stevie on "Too High"??????


That dude was a fucking show off...lol


Sick Genius
2579337, Superstition and You've Got It Bad Girl
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:16 PM
awesome for different reasons.
2579343, You've Got it Bad is so awesome.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:21 PM
Some of Stevie's best songs are those somewhat moody, reflective ones... which is something that I think made him stand out from most other artists on the soul scene; soul traditionally was not that inward-looking.

Shit,.,. I need to go listen to that song now.
2579359, exactly.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:38 PM
it's 1 of my favorite songs from anyone.
2579338, the songs, production,vocals,keys take reign
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Fri Jul-29-11 12:17 PM
i mean stevie has great songs,production and arrangements vocals as well and with all of those goods he is bound to be overlooked in something
2579346, you know the Cecil-Margouleff records were mixed
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:23 PM
to place the listener in the seat at the drum kit.

i think i learned that in some documentary. it may have been the SITKOL Classic Albums thing on VH1 Classic, but SITKOL wasn't a Cecil-Margouleff record, so maybe it wasn't.
2579358, That is such an incredible concept.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 12:35 PM
Makes you wonder why more people haven't tried that approach... (?uest?)
2579362, ?uest should, if he hasn't.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:43 PM
2579367, I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a Stevie vs fill in the blank
Posted by soulive, Fri Jul-29-11 12:48 PM
there's only one Stevie last time I checked but ehh. Albeit programmed, the drum track to I Love You Too Much is oh so slept on. I'd love to hear that track remastered.
2579368, yes.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Jul-29-11 12:50 PM
he nails everything on 'I Love You Too Much', including the drum machine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBUbruh7kmw
2579377, What I love most about that song is how he was confident enough
Posted by soulive, Fri Jul-29-11 12:57 PM
with such a strong hook to allow it to account for the last 2-3 minutes of the song on its own. It was years later I realized that, on paper, there's not much to the song lyrically.
2579456, The "Sugar" drums are FUCKING retarded.
Posted by El_essence, Fri Jul-29-11 02:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFWO7GLkRbk

2579506, came to post this - if you haven't heard the drums on this, u missin out
Posted by Qwerty Uiop, Fri Jul-29-11 03:29 PM
2579577, *came in to second this* *daps on this one*.
Posted by Silky1, Fri Jul-29-11 06:16 PM
>

"Sugar" is ridicula !!!!!!!!!! Them drums thump like a mutha***** !!!!!!!!!


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2579463, Jimi Hendrix+Stevie Wonder=I Was Made To Love Her
Posted by Harlepolis, Fri Jul-29-11 02:33 PM
No gimmickry, no tricks. Just two guys giving a taste on what "could've" been.
2579482, that session was pretty loose and chaotic
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 02:51 PM
but still leaves you wishing they had gotten a chance to really seriously do something together... especially after Stevie's maturation as a musician.
2579490, RE: that session was pretty loose and chaotic
Posted by Harlepolis, Fri Jul-29-11 02:55 PM
It has been reported that both men were edgy during the session. Stevie was nervous and Jimi was in his "moods".

I agree, it makes you wish. I could hear Jimi doing some serious damage to "Maybe Your Baby" or even "Superstition" on rhythm guitar instead of Ray Parker Jr.
2580126, he might have gotten jimi in instead of jeff beck
Posted by GumDrops, Sun Jul-31-11 04:46 PM
i dont necessarily know if whatever they might have done together would have been amazing - same for the discussed miles/jimi collaboration, but it could have been interesting. they might have done some 'contusion' type tracks together.
2579466, one of those situations where a guy really good at other things
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Fri Jul-29-11 02:40 PM
gets "slept on" in one area because people don't associate them with that.

Bootsy Collins falls in that category also as being a great drummer that people don't think of for their drumming

but Stevie was defintely a solid drummer..

2579471, I'd add Johnny Guitar Watson as a bassist to that list too
Posted by soulive, Fri Jul-29-11 02:42 PM
the cat was trouble on the bottom.
2579478, how did i forget about Superwoman?
Posted by drugs, Fri Jul-29-11 02:46 PM
good god!
2579481, another great, introspective drum performance.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 02:49 PM
2579627, definitely... i'd say that's one of his most emotive
Posted by thebigfunk, Fri Jul-29-11 10:16 PM
drum performances.

i think you ref'd knocks me off my feet earlier, too, which I'd agree with. Funny thing about those performances is sometimes when I hear them, when I hear those sort of drawn out textural moments, I think - wait, that's a little corny?














Then I sink into it and realize it's *just right*.

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~
2579497, Michael Jackson is also highly underrated on the drums.
Posted by The Grim Reaper, Fri Jul-29-11 02:59 PM
2579500, Ok AFKAP AKA DL Prince Enthusiast lol....
Posted by Harlepolis, Fri Jul-29-11 03:13 PM
Given his paranoia and the goonies he sends to folks, I can't seem to find the clips in youtube, but listen to them on your own later.

Drums: Tambourine - He was channeling Sheila E. on this one.

Guitar: Bambi(The Undertaker version - from 1993) - To me, this is his most outrageous guitar solo ever. Its a shame this whole session is a bootleg because the whole thing showcased what an underrated guitarist he is. I'd say his finest hour as far as guitar soloing was during the 93-94 years.

Bass: She's Always In My Hair. Its way down in the bottom and as much as I love D's version, I'm afraid he didn't capture the bass fire. Some outrageous basslines are scattered all over The Camille & Black albums too.

Rhythm guitar: ALL of his 80s extended versions. Although I'm not sure whether he's the one playing in the beginning of Hello or Wendy.
2579502, lol good shit
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jul-29-11 03:20 PM
>Drums: Tambourine - He was channeling Sheila E. on this one.

Yeah, that's been one of my faves... The rhythm guitar is pretty crazy as well.

>Guitar: Bambi(The Undertaker version - from 1993) - To me,
>this is his most outrageous guitar solo ever. Its a shame this
>whole session is a bootleg because the whole thing showcased
>what an underrated guitarist he is. I'd say his finest hour as
>far as guitar soloing was during the 93-94 years.

I'll have to search that one out.

>Bass: She's Always In My Hair. Its way down in the bottom and
>as much as I love D's version, I'm afraid he didn't capture
>the bass fire. Some outrageous basslines are scattered all
>over The Camille & Black albums too.

I have not listened much to those two albums, truth be told. I've just never been that much into that era of Prince. I'll have to give 'em a listen this weekend to see if I can hear what you're talking about.

>Rhythm guitar: ALL of his 80s extended versions. Although I'm
>not sure whether he's the one playing in the beginning of
>Hello or Wendy.

My favorite rhythm guitar showcases are late 70s/early 80s pieces like Controversy, I Wanna Be Your Lover, Sexy Dancer, Sexuality, etc.

Those, and Curtis Mayfield were what I used to study when I was trynna learn how to play funky rhythm.
2579507, RE: lol good shit
Posted by Harlepolis, Fri Jul-29-11 03:32 PM
>I'll have to search that one out.
>

Lemme know if you need help.

>
>I have not listened much to those two albums, truth be told.
>I've just never been that much into that era of Prince. I'll
>have to give 'em a listen this weekend to see if I can hear
>what you're talking about.

Lemme know if you need help for this too.


>My favorite rhythm guitar showcases are late 70s/early 80s
>pieces like Controversy, I Wanna Be Your Lover, Sexy Dancer,
>Sexuality, etc.
>
>Those, and Curtis Mayfield were what I used to study when I
>was trynna learn how to play funky rhythm.

I think he & Roger Troutman are THEE best rhythm guitarists ever IMO. They stayed true to the JB/Nolen tradition but they expanded their own style individually and this is why I rank them in a tie.

Not as ferocious as his playing in most of his songs, but I love what he did with these two...

Purple Music: http://youtu.be/tCQ7KfxgZDA

Jerk Out(The Time - Couldn't find the original by Mazarati): http://youtu.be/RMQeLuicdzM
2579539, It's infuriating that we don't have official releases of songs like this
Posted by OldPro, Fri Jul-29-11 04:57 PM
>Purple Music: http://youtu.be/tCQ7KfxgZDA

Extraloveable, G Spot, Wonderful Ass, etc

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2579545, RE: It's infuriating that we don't have official releases of songs like this
Posted by Harlepolis, Fri Jul-29-11 05:04 PM
My brother who's NOWHERE near a fan didn't believe his ears when I played for him "Movie Star".

I think most of the stuff that ended up in his vault surpassed his official releases, and I understand his need for shelving some of them. But If he didn't release "Crystal Ball" and "Power Fantastic" officially, I would've given up hope on him having the least bit of common sense.

I hope this won't sound out of taste, but I just hope he won't pull a Stevie Wonder on his shelved musical estate when he dies.
2579565, RE: Stevie Wonder's drumming.
Posted by murph71, Fri Jul-29-11 05:32 PM


I support this post, sir....

Bravo...
2579580, for the people reading this that haven't seen this clip
Posted by Ally Al 2003, Fri Jul-29-11 06:29 PM
AMAZING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBA4vWQRBA0
2579652, holy shit
Posted by Kurtis Carve, Sat Jul-30-11 01:37 AM
that was ill
_______________
Cleveland Gooner
2579703, QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKL;ZXCVBNM,.**FUCK**QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKL;ZXCVBNM,.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Sat Jul-30-11 09:07 AM
WHAT IN THE FUCK??!!!!

HOOOOOOOOLY SHIT.

*throws drumsticks away*
2579716, I feel sorry for the other drummer
Posted by Ally Al 2003, Sat Jul-30-11 09:53 AM
not only does Stevie upstage his ass big time, he also has stand on Stevie's chair so he doesnt fall off the riser, looking kind of awkward all the way
2579750, ...well shit
Posted by ArtVandelay, Sat Jul-30-11 11:53 AM
*watches again*




*and again*





*AAAAaaaand again*





2580124, How you gonna murder the drummer on his own shit? *smh*
Posted by kwez, Sun Jul-31-11 04:38 PM
Mufukka had a real "Fuck My Life" moment after that.

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2579663, I'd like to know this too.
Posted by tREBLEFREE, Sat Jul-30-11 02:30 AM
>Anybody know whether he provided the drums and percussions on
>the Supremes' "Bad Weather" himself?
>http://youtu.be/ZEz3Ph-VoiU


**************************************************
tREBLEFREE & DVS Jackson are:
The Waldorf And Statler Experience
Balcony Music

Volumes 1, 2 & 3 available now at http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com
2579754, Great songs on this thread everyone n/m
Posted by CinisterCee, Sat Jul-30-11 11:57 AM
2579777, Summer Soft & Minnie's 'Reasons'
Posted by briwil25, Sat Jul-30-11 12:51 PM
That is all.
2580010, WAIT
Posted by tREBLEFREE, Sun Jul-31-11 07:47 AM
A.) "Summer Soft" is my 2nd personal best SW song ever

B.) THAT'S HIM DRUMMING ON "REASONS"???


*passes out*


**************************************************
tREBLEFREE & DVS Jackson are:
The Waldorf And Statler Experience
Balcony Music

Volumes 1, 2 & 3 available now at http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com
2580028, I'm feeling surprised by this too
Posted by CinisterCee, Sun Jul-31-11 09:56 AM
or at least never really appreciated it before


>B.) THAT'S HIM DRUMMING ON "REASONS"???
>
>
>*passes out*
2580036, Proof *link*
Posted by briwil25, Sun Jul-31-11 10:57 AM
http://www2c.airnet.ne.jp/stevie/MINNIE%20RIPERTON/MINNIE%20RIPERTON.html



PERFECT ANGEL
CD(US) CAPITOL CDP 7 91148 2 IN 1988
ORIGINALLY ISSUED AS EPIC 32561 IN DEC.1974
PRODUCER: SCORBU PRODUCTIONS
ARRANGEMENTS: WONDERLOVE

WHEN MINNIE SINGS I FEEL MY INSIDES RUSH AND QUIVER. SHE TOUCHES A PLACE IN ME WHERE NO ONE ELSE CAN GO. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE HOW INCREDIBLY HIGH AND BEAUTIFUL MINNIE CAN SING... BUT I KNOW HER, AND I BELIEVE. SOMETIMES I JUST LAY BACK AND TRY TO IMAGINE HOW SWEET HER SOUL MUST BE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR MUSIC, MINNIE... A GIFT OF LOVE FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.
A VERY SPECIAL FAN


TRACK1: REASONS 3:26 (MINNIE RIPERTON/RICHARD RUDOLPH)
MINNIE RIPERTON (vo) REGGIE MCBRIDE (b) EL TORO NEGRO (ds) MARLO HENDERSON (g)






RIP
2580038, I got all of these albums, but seeing this info online is awesome
Posted by tREBLEFREE, Sun Jul-31-11 11:22 AM
Thanks e-cousin!


>http://www2c.airnet.ne.jp/stevie/MINNIE%20RIPERTON/MINNIE%20RIPERTON.html
>
>
>
>PERFECT ANGEL
>CD(US) CAPITOL CDP 7 91148 2 IN 1988
>ORIGINALLY ISSUED AS EPIC 32561 IN DEC.1974
>PRODUCER: SCORBU PRODUCTIONS
>ARRANGEMENTS: WONDERLOVE
>
>WHEN MINNIE SINGS I FEEL MY INSIDES RUSH AND QUIVER. SHE
>TOUCHES A PLACE IN ME WHERE NO ONE ELSE CAN GO. IT'S HARD TO
>BELIEVE HOW INCREDIBLY HIGH AND BEAUTIFUL MINNIE CAN SING...
>BUT I KNOW HER, AND I BELIEVE. SOMETIMES I JUST LAY BACK AND
>TRY TO IMAGINE HOW SWEET HER SOUL MUST BE.
>THANK YOU FOR YOUR MUSIC, MINNIE... A GIFT OF LOVE FOR ALL THE
>WORLD TO SEE.
>A VERY SPECIAL FAN
>
>
>TRACK1: REASONS 3:26 (MINNIE RIPERTON/RICHARD RUDOLPH)
>MINNIE RIPERTON (vo) REGGIE MCBRIDE (b) EL TORO NEGRO (ds)
>MARLO HENDERSON (g)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>RIP


**************************************************
tREBLEFREE & DVS Jackson are:
The Waldorf And Statler Experience
Balcony Music

Volumes 1, 2 & 3 available now at http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com
2583294, Yeah, The "Wonderlove" Crew Are All Over The "Perfect Angel" Album...
Posted by Harlepolis, Mon Aug-08-11 02:23 PM
He played the fender rhodes in "Loving You" too. I don't think his name is mentioned in the credit, not to my recollections anyway.
2583314, lol @ El Toro Negro
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Aug-08-11 02:54 PM
I love when artists use psuedonyms like that
2579823, Wait I just realized
Posted by Luke Cage, Sat Jul-30-11 03:37 PM
You said your favorite drummer of all time is Neil Peart? Are you a Rush fan or just a fan of his drumming?
2579827, neither. I was being facetious.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Sat Jul-30-11 03:48 PM
I do admire Peart's technical skill, but it's not necessarily close to my heart like that.
2579968, Ok I couldn't see that
Posted by Luke Cage, Sun Jul-31-11 02:09 AM
I know dudes who worship him but I couldn't imagine you being a Rush fan.
2579825, yea he is an awesome drummer
Posted by mwasi kitoko, Sat Jul-30-11 03:44 PM
i'm not one to know the different people who play instruments on the different music i love (sadly. i depend on my lil brother to know this stuff lol :( )
BUT that is something i definitely noticed. his drumming is spectacular.
2579896, WONDER HUNDERD
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Sat Jul-30-11 09:06 PM
2580087, agreed. all day sucker is another fav of mine
Posted by rl9, Sun Jul-31-11 03:09 PM
great post!
2580114, it sounds like hes smiling when hes on the drums
Posted by GumDrops, Sun Jul-31-11 04:21 PM
hes got a lot of personality. hes not afraid to do unusual sounding stuff. he sounds really playful and theres something almost childlike about his drumming (not like meg white) that i cant quite put my finger on. his drumming actually reminds me a bit of princes (if you listen to stuff like new position or cloreen bacon skin). they sound like guys who obv arent 24/7 drummers but still know their way around a kit so when they do do it it sounds 'fresh'. i think this also lets them do stuff that normal drummers might stay away from doing. theyre good but not 'experts' in a way that someone who spends all their time behind a set of drums would be.

edit - actually i think him and prince both manage to sound really spontaneous when they do live drum tracks. maybe they dont do millions of takes as drummers which is what gives it that 'first take' feel but they do generally turn in really lively performances (thinking esp of albums like where im coming from in particular).
2580118, very well said. nm
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Sun Jul-31-11 04:34 PM
2611256, i concur
Posted by drugs, Wed Oct-05-11 03:50 PM
2580122, His music started changing when he stopped playing drums
Posted by __Spread__, Sun Jul-31-11 04:37 PM
i've had this conversation before...when he started programming and hiring drummers in the 80's his music lost some of its feel...he plays drums with more feeling in relationship to the music than anyone...
2580127, his programming has been pretty sucky since around the mid 90s
Posted by GumDrops, Sun Jul-31-11 04:48 PM
maybe even earlier

2580364, sucky programming or not, its the feel
Posted by __Spread__, Mon Aug-01-11 11:21 AM
think about albums like Talking Book and Music of My Mind...the drums, though in the pocket, dictate the feeling of those songs as if they were a melody instrument...his drums take you on a journey without ever leaving the ship...its really what inspired me to start playing drums...
He just can see music so different than most
2583222, criminally underrated
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Aug-08-11 12:30 PM
because a lot of people never knew (or could imagine) Stevie on the drums when they don't regularly see it (or nowadays, hear it).

as for the discussion above re: Prince.

he has two distinct voices: rhythm guitar (but as you said it, mostly in the late '70s/early '80s when he was playing the kind of music that needed it to survive), and the Linn drum machine. Immediately after hearing either, you know it's "Prince" (and the latter, is really what people try to imitate more than anything else when they want a "Prince" sound. It's one of the reasons I can sit through 10 minutes of Dam Funk noodling -- the "Princely" drums above all).

I'd also argue that while I couldn't really pick out Prince playing a keyboard solo as "Prince" as I could Herbie, Dukey, or Chick... except when it's that "Princey" stuff (see: "When Doves Cry"), the big "Prince" sound on keys is the voice programming.

to this day you have people (self included) trying to crack the code of those Oberheims to get the "horn" sound (I think it was programming + engineering on the recording side to get that out).
2611151, I Wanna Talk To You
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 01:07 PM
http://youtu.be/K3VAsa6HBSs
2611162, The Spinners - It's a Shame
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 01:22 PM
http://youtu.be/l5VaRSEvq8U
2611165, Syreeta - Just a Little Piece of You
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 01:30 PM
http://youtu.be/0C5DiQLVTX4
2611173, Stevie Wonder presents Syreeta (feat. GC Cameron) - Side 2 medley
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 01:44 PM
http://youtu.be/PH92z6FdXck
2611248, .
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 03:43 PM
.
2611175, Minnie Riperton - Reasons
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 01:51 PM
http://youtu.be/en8B2xnxNRA
2611204, Ordinary Pain
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 02:37 PM
http://youtu.be/SU0ClpWKqF8
2611211, I Ain't Gonna Stand For It
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 02:43 PM
http://youtu.be/ISbkwLvrUDM
2611218, Don't You Worry 'Bout a Thing
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Oct-05-11 02:59 PM
http://youtu.be/zywDiFdxopU