or other not mentioned?


My 1st thought was Death Row because of their all star roster and having arguably the HipHop greatest producer....although it was short lived, they definitely left their mark on the industry

Bad Bay has a place in this discussion, too, since it was Bad Boy that kinda rejuvenated the interest back in NY HipHop.





But if you really think abt it from an objective viewpoint, you could make the case that "Cash Money Records" has had as big of an impact as anyone since Def Jam.

-kept 100% of their masters

-50% of their publishings

-85% of their royalties

-no label (I don't think) has had as many artists to go platinum and platinum several x over as the artists on Cash Money.

For Cash Money to have accomplished all that they have is remarkable when you think abt the fact that they're from an area that no one was checking for when it came to HipHop and them along with "No Limit" are solely responsible for putting NO on the map. I definitely think it was there label that spawned a lot of upstart subsidiary labels in the mid to late 90s in hopes of landing a similar distribution deal with a major label.


I couldn't add some of the other labels to this list such as 'So So Def' or the 'Dungeon Famil' or 'Slip Slide Records.' All are worthy of being mentioned....and I'm sure I'm forgetting some labels, too.


Whatchu think?

Poll question: After Def Jam, Which Is The 2nd Most Influential/Impactful HipHop label?

Poll result (20 votes) Death Row.... (5 votes) Vote Bad Boy... (2 votes) Vote Roc a Fella... (4 votes) Vote Ruff Ryders.... (7 votes) Vote Cash Money (2 votes) Vote No Limit (0 votes) Vote

bad boy and death row both fell off after the 90s
roc a fella kept goin'

fella kinda followed Bad Boy's blueprint to a degree?


>bad boy and death row both fell off after the 90s
>roc a fella kept goin'

well, the reasons for Death Row falling off is well documented. It wasn't because they became irrelevant musically but mainly because all of their artists/producer jumped ship and then the CEO got locked up...and well, you know the rest

Bad Bad on the other hand, had a nice run all the way up to abt 2002 I would say. 'Blk Rob' and G-Dep kept the label afloat and Puff was still putting out his own hit records at that time - oh, and Faith Evans, Carl Thomas, the younger Winans brother, and a few others still kept Bad Boy going pretty strong.
>

Loud. Great variety of artist during my favorite era of rap/hip hop.

Especially since, like Def Jam, it's still going strong where so many others have fallen off. Even if it is just Weezy and a bunch of mixtape rappers.


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has been better as a whole. No Limit was DEFINITELY more influential in several ways...musically and business wise.

The sound was more influential with those KLC beats....Master P became the SOLE reason that rappers wanted to become businessmen...and at peak, No Limit was waaaay hotter than Cash Money. He was really putting out a new album every week, over-saturating the game while milking it and making money from it all. I'd even say that Cash Money became successful because NL was first...nobody at all was paying attention to Louisiana before that.

were more influential than Cash Money Records, especially not at this point. CM is STILL GOING STRONG while No Limit is now defunct.

And CM was cakin up just off selling to their local New Orleans following and wasn't pressed to fuck with the major labels which is why NL was the 1st out the gate to put NO on the HipHop map.

Also, I remember ppl constantly trashing NL as some sort of gimmick with Master P's grunts and shit lol. The artists on their label couldn't touch the artists on CM if you melted them mofos and poured them on em lol. But NL definitely had a movement going on for a short while.


>has been better as a whole. No Limit was DEFINITELY more
>influential in several ways...musically and business wise.
>
>The sound was more influential with those KLC beats....Master
>P became the SOLE reason that rappers wanted to become
>businessmen...and at peak, No Limit was waaaay hotter than
>Cash Money. He was really putting out a new album every week,
>over-saturating the game while milking it and making money
>from it all. I'd even say that Cash Money became successful
>because NL was first...nobody at all was paying attention to
>Louisiana before that.

I'm sure that CM wanted to fuck with majors...and NL inspired them to say "damn, we are better than them but look at how much $$$ they're getting and how many fans they have Worldwide"...so that's what made em take that step.

Folks definitely saw NL as a gimmick, but they def had some talented artists and producers, even if they used them all wrong.

I don't discount longevity though. In this particular case, you still have a viable label that is still pumping out hit records and signing good artists to their label. Also, the question I asked before: has there been any other HipHop labels that has had as many platinum selling artists AT ONE TIME as Cash Money? I highly doubt it but I could be wrong....

Plus, Cash Money came up with the term "bling," that example is just a small token of their influence that has permeated beyond the HipHop culture.


>I'm sure that CM wanted to fuck with majors...and NL inspired
>them to say "damn, we are better than them but look at how
>much $$$ they're getting and how many fans they have
>Worldwide"...so that's what made em take that step.
>
>Folks definitely saw NL as a gimmick, but they def had some
>talented artists and producers, even if they used them all
>wrong.
>
>

>Plus, Cash Money came up with the term "bling," that example
>is just a small token of their influence that has permeated
>beyond the HipHop culture.


Jermaine Dupri actually came up with the term "bling bling" but Cash Money kinda take all the credit

and that was in the fall of 1997...
"Now tell me, what kinda/nigga got diamonds that BLING! blind ya,/I'm only 14 I'm a big tymer..."- Lil Wayne "Neighborhood Superstars" from Hot Boys Guerilla Warfare released fall of 1997.

If I'm not mistaken, "Money ain't a thang" came out in 1998

Plus, even *if* Jermaine Dupri was the 1st to say "bling," no one can dispute that it was Cash Money artists who popularized the word.


>>Plus, Cash Money came up with the term "bling," that
>example
>>is just a small token of their influence that has permeated
>>beyond the HipHop culture.
>
>
>Jermaine Dupri actually came up with the term "bling bling"
>but Cash Money kinda take all the credit
>

I wasn't familiar with Wayne back then but I know "Money ain't a thing" was huge and played everywhere. JD could have possible got it from that 97 Wayne track only JD could answer that. Only thing I know is that I identify the creation of that term with JD. Cash Money just took it to another level.

that has been the ongoing debate amongst a lot of ppl for yrs....

here are all of JD's lyrics from that song:
(nowhere is BLING mentioned in this song)



In the Ferrari or Jaguar, switchin four lanes
With the top down screamin out
Money ain't a thang


Jigga, I don't like it if it don't *GLEAM* clean
And to hell with the price
cause the money ain't a thang


Come on, y'all wanna floss wit us
Cause all across the ball we burn it up
Drop a little paper, baby toss it up
Ya slackin on your pimpin, turn it up
See the money ain't a thang



My cake thick, I live the life
Eatin' crab, watching bitches shake shit all night
I make the big moves, do the big things
Take small groups, turn them into big names
The big dog with the big chain, frost bit bracelet to match
Cats say I'm the shit man
The type of nigga that you need in yo' crew
Type of dude that will do shit you won't do, can't do
Get more burnt than a candle
Too hot to hold, too much to handle
In the black C-low, he know if she look
She go bye-bye with da-da and I ain't gotta say no more
I'm the truth like A.I., got the proof and stay fly
In the safest shit you could never buy
Know why? Cause I write the songs that the whole world sing
I don't know bout y'all but every night I swing



Yeah, yeah, so let's play
So what, you went gold and rock a Roley with the ice bezel
It's gonna take a lot more to see my level
Where I'm at, your check, you better double that
And personally your raps is where the trouble at
I'm a Benz bubble cat, leather with the wood grain
In the platinum frame screaming it's not a game
*GLEAMING*, from ear to ear, wrist to wrist, ring and chain
Even me and Jay-Z got it locked, crazy



So So Def, Roc-A-Fella, collabo'
You know, all we do is rock
Rock on

If those lyrics are accurate I stand corrected. I always thought he was saying "i don't like it if it don't bling bling".

and in the post i replied to you weighted influence based on $ and fans

but if you don't want to deal with how labels like no limit or cash money influenced MUSIC then don't...or do...but let us know what MUSIC these labels influenced to the point where they are the contenders for 2nd most influential hip-hop label of all time

cause there are literally thousands of artists who are more influenced by what loud or elektra brought to the table than those labels

solely being music related. With NL, they had EVERYTHING on lock outside of the music, but the music itself had some influence as well. Brought a lot of eyes to NL, which paved the way for CM, but also for that crunk Down South style that wasn't getting much play at the time...so when 36 and Lil Jon came right after with those "Tear the club up" "Bia Bia" tracks, I feel that was also a result of what NL did.

And with these "Labels" I feel that the ones he mentioned were seen more as being from the label than from their own clique/camp. If you ask the average person who all was signed to Elektra or Jive, barely any of them would know. But ask No Limit, n they'll name 25 artists...same with Bad Boy, Death Row, etc. etc...the labels were seen as a brand themselves vs. just a company that produced and distributed the music.

>solely being music related. With NL, they had EVERYTHING on
>lock outside of the music

what is "everything...outside of the music"?

what exactly does that mean/indicate and why is it important to "hip-hop"?

>but the music itself had some
>influence as well. Brought a lot of eyes to NL, which paved
>the way for CM, but also for that crunk Down South style that
>wasn't getting much play at the time...

it wasn't getting much play, but it existed

musically/stylistically these labels did nothing that underground southern artists hadn't been doing well before they came up


>so when 36 and Lil Jon
>came right after with those "Tear the club up" "Bia Bia"
>tracks, I feel that was also a result of what NL did.

36 and lil jon were doing their thing well before these other labels came along and became well know, or am i wrong?


>If you ask the average person who all was signed
>to Elektra or Jive, barely any of them would know.

so what?

the topic is the 2nd most influential HIPHOP label...

fact is that pete rock, busta rhymes (;-)), brand nubian, kmd, wu tang, mobb deep, alkaholiks, xhibit, dead prez, etc. have had influence on HIP-HOP ARTISTS at at least an EQUIVALENT rate as any of these labels getting all the talk-up...

>But ask No
>Limit, n they'll name 25 artists...

yet i consider myself pretty much a hip-hop guy and can't name a single artist that has ever influenced me or any of the artists that i support and listen to

i mean, i can name a couple that didn't influence me or anyone i care about...but they still wack

>same with Bad Boy, Death
>Row, etc. etc...the labels were seen as a brand themselves vs.
>just a company that produced and distributed the music.

what does being a "brand" have to do with the music tho?

i'm not arguing death row's importance...dre, pac...those two alone...bad boy, all they even need is biggie...they are both influential and important, but ON WHOM and TO WHAT END?

what is this "culture" that is being influenced beyond the actual music that is it's foundation?

As you're implying about eastern groups?


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but if you mean are there thousands of ppl influenced by "southern" rappers/artists

of course, absolutely, 100%

look no further than outkast...or magic mike, lol

my overall point in this post is that labels like loud, elektra, jive, and even rawkus tend to get shortchanged in this discussion b/c people automatically equate "influence" with presence on the pop charts

They influenced a lot of what came after them including Cash Money and No Limit. Pac, Snoop and Dre are 3 of the biggest music icons of the past 20 years in any genre and Suge is the most notorious label exec probably ever.

will be the label that ppl consider to have had the most influence/impact on HipHop since Def Jam....they're still going strong. What other label that came out around the same time they did can say the same?


>They influenced a lot of what came after them including Cash
>Money and No Limit. Pac, Snoop and Dre are 3 of the biggest
>music icons of the past 20 years in any genre and Suge is the
>most notorious label exec probably ever.

um wtf LOUD Records..hello?? lol

I totally feel what you saying man

They've put out a lot of good to classic records. Don't know how they ended up folded.

because of the business model (which was basically to sell wack shit to dummies)

but they'll write off an elektra or a loud as "not influential enough" b/c the "only" contribution said label made was a shit ton of dope and important MUSIC

I was ONLY debated NL vs. Cash Money. I wasn't gonna vote for them, though. So get off your Hip Hop High Horse for a second

i've seen quite a few of these posts

and your no limits and cash moneys always get mentioned and generate discussion, while your louds and elektras get mentioned by us pigeonholded "purists" or whatever we're supposed to be and don't even get acknowledged beyond a post or two

i'm more aggravated by the poll choices than anything you have said in this post, it wasn't about you

I think it's because these labels all had a sound that you identified with, and because you knew the artists solely for being tied to the label...so it went from the cliques of the 80's like Juice Crew to where it was a label + crew at the same time. When you hear some songs, you don't say "that sounds like a Dogg Pound track" you might say "that sounds like a Death Row song." If you see an album cover with pixel art, you say "that reminds me of that old No Limit shit." And for the most obvious, none of those artists on Loud or Elektra were shouting out the label on records...and the owners/Exec producers were never artists themselves.

over their artist and their brands rather than the music that was released on the label?

right now its southern rap music/artists that everyone is copying?!?!


>because of the business model (which was basically to sell
>wack shit to dummies)

I wasn't necessarily a fan of all their material but they had solid records to come from their label, some might say they had a few classic records (Juvenile's 1st cd is close to being one if it isn't). It wasn't just their business model why they are influential. Oh, and Lil Wayne is the biggest selling HipHop artist right now.
>
>but they'll write off an elektra or a loud as "not influential
>enough" b/c the "only" contribution said label made was a shit
>ton of dope and important MUSIC

LOUD had had the overall better artists, no question but FOH with that bullshit abt their artists making "important music." It ain't like MOB Deep, (who I LOVE!) the Alkoholiks, Lil Flip, Project Pat or MOP were actually rapping abt how to uplift their communities. You can find simple and stupid in each of those artists material just as easily as you can with artists on Cash Money Records.

>its southern rap music/artists that everyone is copying?!?!
>

"southern" rap?

rapalot, la face...shit...i'll give you props on putting ruff ryders in the poll b/c the style of production is a stylistic father to a lot of shit that came after it...really, some early 80's rap styles are the OG dna of a lot of what supposedly defines "hip-hop" (and make no mistake that i take issue w/ not discerning between influence on popular or hot music in a hip-hop model vs. HIP-HOP) nowadays


>I wasn't necessarily a fan of all their material but they had
>solid records to come from their label. It wasn't just their
>business model why they are influential. Oh, and Lil Wayne is
>the biggest selling HipHop artist right now.

sales schmales...mc hammer, vanilla ice, young mc...why not put Delicious Vinyl up there since they set a model for campy rap hits that still sounded dope while still fostering acts like the pharcyde

>>but they'll write off an elektra or a loud as "not
>influential
>>enough" b/c the "only" contribution said label made was a
>shit
>>ton of dope and important MUSIC
>
>LOUD had had the overall better artists, no question but FOH
>with that bullshit abt their artists making "important music."

wu tang clan?


>It ain't like MOB Deep, (who I LOVE!) the Alkoholiks, Lil
>Flip, Project Pat or MOP were actually rapping abt how to
>uplift their communities.

huh?

and the liks are probably more influential than you'd think...

>You can find simple and stupid in
>each of those artists material just as easily as you can with
>artists on Cash Money Records.


you done veered off track here...not sure how conscious/ignorant came into this

fact is labels like loud or elektra were precursors to entire movements, like the indie hip-hop movement of the late 90's that spawned an entire internet based indie scene of the last 10 years (and cats will, again, deny this matters b/c they like to pigeonhole "underground" rap/hip-hop music as "unimportant", regardless of the fact that there are tons of artists and fans involved, because it's not on TV or what have you)

there's a million and one joe schmoes running around making their little beats and spitting their little rhymes, and they are more influenced by a coflow/el p or a madlib than they are by no limit/cash money

but again, they ain't on TV or the radio, so that's not "influence" to you

They put out more releases that I ended up liking more than any other label to this day.

They had Mobb Deep (& Prodigy solo), Cella Dwellas, Wu-Tang Clan (& Inspectah Deck and Raekwon solo albums), Tha Alkaholiks (& Tash solo), The Beatnuts, M.O.P., Big Pun, Xzibit, Sadat X., Pete Rock, Dead Prez, Killarmy, Missin' Linx, Funkmaster Flex, one of the best rap soundtracks ever..."Soul In The Hole"; plus they had three r&b acts that I liked Davina, Yvette Michele, & Andriana Evans.

Priority Records probably the only other label that had way more artists but for me they didn't have as many artists that I liked though but as far as rap acts go they had a ton.

...dare i say JIVE potentially had MORE influence and impact than Def Jam especially wit Too $hort, BDP and ATCQ. not to mention DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince; Steady B; E-40; Whodini and Schoolly D.

yeah...i'mma go 'head and say Def Jam is actually no. 2, cuz JIVE had it all. they were a indie label that had underground and mainstream acts who had long careers. shit...some of 'em STILL at it. some of 'em more influential than given credit.

Certainly an impressive, influential roster, even beyond the 80s.

Oops you *did* say ATCQ, ha!

...yeah, that right there shuts the door on this post. JIVE was the ONLY label to successfully get artist from all over the county. can't recall if they had a midwest artist, but they had NY, Philly, the Bay and TX. you could even throw in NO with Mystikal, but...eh.

now, mofos can talk what they want about longevity, sales or whatever. but i'd put JIVE's roster/catalogue up against ANYBODY! they'd more than hold their own.

than one from any of these labels listed in the poll above.

Or at least they didn't start off as one. They had hits with groups like Fock Of Seagulls and Tight Fit before they ever signed any Hip Hop artists. I thought this was a post about labels that were started with the intent of putting out Hip Hop records.

...i understand wha'chu sayin' about "rap" record labels. JIVE started wit dance records. i got that. but when u talkin' influence/impact on hip-hop...can't deny that label at all.

any label mentioned in the OP u can associate 'em with a particular area of the country. can't do that with JIVE. they saw hip-hop/rap in damn near every pocket of the country.

but again I thought the post was about Hip Hop labels meaning labels created with Hip Hop in mind and as it's focus from the get go. Jive is great but labels like Def Jam, Ruthless and Cold Chillin I think fall into a different category than a pop label that got into Hip Hop.

but it may have been because they weren't primarily a rap music label... but the list of artists that were signed to them? Sheeit.

KRS, Tribe, $hort alone is enough to put a foot down.

speaks for itself

Though I understand Baby's work with Cash Money could fall under that as well

Which was where I also factored in the fact Rap-A-Lot Records no longer sell like that anymore


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They were pretty effed up in the end, but to think if Eazy hadn't put that drug money into that label...

...cuz i was thinkin' of makin' the case for JIVE and came up with this interesting mix. u got well-trained ears, so the influence won't be lost you:

Whodini (beats): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVMT_itVC4

+

Schoolly D (flow): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4478SMAc2qM

=

Eazy E (gangsta rap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywmMO8iilaE

back in the days, they'd consider this "bitin'..." but since this was like 20+ years ago, it's safe to say that Dre & Cube were influenced by these JIVE artists.

>...cuz i was thinkin' of makin' the case for JIVE and came up
>with this interesting mix. u got well-trained ears, so the
>influence won't be lost you:
>
>Whodini (beats): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVMT_itVC4
>
>+
>
>Schoolly D (flow): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4478SMAc2qM
>
>=
>
>Eazy E (gangsta rap):
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywmMO8iilaE
>
>back in the days, they'd consider this "bitin'..." but since
>this was like 20+ years ago, it's safe to say that Dre & Cube
>were influenced by these JIVE artists.

>But if you really think abt it from an objective viewpoint,
>you could make the case that "Cash Money Records"
>has had as big of an impact as anyone since Def Jam.
>
>-kept 100% of their masters
>
>-50% of their publishings
>
>-85% of their royalties
>
>-no label (I don't think) has had as many artists to go
>platinum and platinum several x over as the artists on Cash
>Money.
>
>For Cash Money to have accomplished all that they have is
>remarkable when you think abt the fact that they're from an
>area that no one was checking for when it came to HipHop and
>them along with "No Limit" are solely responsible
>for putting NO on the map. I definitely think it was there
>label that spawned a lot of upstart subsidiary labels in the
>mid to late 90s in hopes of landing a similar distribution
>deal with a major label.
>

Interesting but if you want to talk about influence..then you gotta see that cash money took its influence from No Limit..which has it's roots in the Bay, home of Sik Wid It.. E40's Jive subsidiary... Sure Sikwidit never sold as much, but it was a lot more influential than people will admit.. With that said, I would say Tommy Boy Records.. Does that count?


White Bronco.

>Interesting but if you want to talk about influence..then you
>gotta see that cash money took its influence from No
>Limit..which has it's roots in the Bay, home of Sik Wid It..
>E40's Jive subsidiary... Sure Sikwidit never sold as much, but
>it was a lot more influential than people will admit.. With
>that said, I would say Tommy Boy Records.. Does that count?
>

someone that knows his history. master p repped richmond, ca but ran no limit out of a po box in oakland before moving his operations back to the south. i still believe that, too short moving to ATL, and snoop signing to no limit (all within a span of 4 years) were VERY important factors in the south blowing up to where it is today, business-wise.

They may not have had a roster teeming with all-stars like the above-mentionaed labels but I can't think of a more impactful or influential company.


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they ran 97 hands down and everybody and they momma had their hands in the Bad Boy cookie jar during that time.

Who in their right might is voting for Ruff Riders? Someone please make an argument for them...I gotta hear this shit.