>>Reading music is whatever. Not the basis for determining
>>someones musical ability. That's my point.
>
>it's a HUGE fucking part of it, though.

No it's not. It's less than five hundred years old. For almost half of those years it was confined to a specific area of the planet, and only within the last century has it become globally dominant.

>Wouldn't you say? If
>you wrote a piece for an orchestra, wouldn't you expect them
>to be able to read the shit you wrote?

Yes because they would get orchestra players for whom reading would be a requirement. You wouldn't get a blues player for orchestral work. And if an orchestral composer wanted to write a piece that incorporated a blues element, they'd either have to accept the bluesmans interpretation of their part, or hire an orchestra musician who could play "the blues." but please don't let that composer start calling himself a blues writer.

>The violin player might
>be badder than a motherfucker, but he's holding up the WHOLE
>show if he can't read the sheet music.

Then he shouldn't play in an orchestra which requires such, and is why someone like him would have been screened out before they even made it to seeing the charts.

>You expect him to say
>"run through it a couple times and I'll play it."

And yet there are tons of performances that have been just that. Maybe not in the orchestra but who cares?

>You'd think
>he was incompetent. and you can't even tell him "well just
>stick to the key of F. Because that STILL don't mean shit to
>him.

Why not just play it through for him and see if he can find his place in it. Now if he can't find his place after a while, THEN you can call him incompetent. Before that though....

>I'll give you a PERFECT example. Me and my boy were at
>Producer X's crib, and he was playing all these amazing joints
>that he'd made. My boy then played along, and pointed out a
>few things like: "oh, I see what you did...you went from
>F-sharp to a Minor, blah,blah,blah...well let's try that with
>an A Flat"
>
>Producer X doesn't read music, BUT at the same time, you can't
>make suggestions to him if you're coming with a musical
>background. so YES it DOES make a difference in certain
>situations. you can't send that guy ( who is by ALL accounts
>and AMAZING musician) sheet music. It's useless. So yes. It
>CAN determine somebody's musical ability,or at the VERY least,
>their limitations.

But what if Producer X said, you know what would really work is if we modulated that synth line with an LFO on the four to give a nice build to the down beat. Is he not talking competently about his composition. And what if that modulation happened to be up to a minor, which in turn lead him to build a chord around it. But he doesn't know a minor from a flat tire. Is he not still composing music competently?

>
>>The system must fall apart but that's a wholy different post.
>
>>Honestly I just don't understand defending notation as the
>>basis for music, but it's beside my point now.
>
>nope. You created this mess. Explain how that's beside the
>point...

It's beside the point because I'm talking about the absence of musical knowledge in the scholarly realm not in the realm of Producer X's.

>>Music doesn't follow any laws. Laws were created to help
>the
>>uninitiated follow music.
>>
>
>Okay, so then you're throwing out time Signatures and Beats,
>Bars, and Measures then, right?

I'm not throwing out anything. It's all great theory. Some can use it in practice to make greatness. Some can completely ignore it in practice and make greatness.

>Why is there "Free Jazz"?
>because it doesn't follow the same RULES as Traditional Jazz.

Subject line.

Beyond that though, at this point you're running into the credibility question for the genre like you caught bblock with elsewhere. Free Jazz is not about just breaking the rules. The most amazing free jazz players have a better understanding of the theory than most traditional players. They understand the context. And understanding the context is the first point of free jazz. Free jazz isn't just play whatever you like. Anyone that thinks that hasn't really been exposed to the music and the musicians.

>Most ( if not all ) forms of modern music follow the laws of
>Mathematics 8 beats to a Bar, etc...
>
>and if music doesn't follow laws, then why are all defaults on
>ALL machines set to 4/4 time, Bars, and 8 beat loops? Why is
>the same scale on EVERY keyboard?

All of this is irrelevant to the point, but I'll just say microtonal is the future. LOL!!


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