the following are YOUR words...not mine:

>
>most popular rap nowadays is like this though...but when you
>say this, it's easy to tell you don't listen to rap in depth
>enough to really formulate a respectable opinion on hip hop
>music

okay. True. BUT I was using that sentance as an example of an what an UNENLIGHTNED person would say about Hip-Hop.


so THEN you wrote:


>
>i just told you, from what i hear, and you just tried to
>discount
>what i hear so, i don't know how to appease you on this point
>

Watch this:


most popular Dance Music is like that nowadays is like this though...but when you
say this, it's easy to tell you don't listen to House in depth
enough to really formulate a respectable opinion on Dance
music.


Boom. See what I did right there? You used the EXACT same views as you accused someone ELSE of. A person who by YOUR assessment doesn't have a respectable opinion. So yeah. If you don't listen to enough of it, then you won't know shit about it. Thus the whole "it all sounds like bleeps and blips to me" thing...




>
>to make hip hop, you have to have an ear for music
>meanin' you have to know what works
>or at least be able to feel what works
>that's the most important part about makin' music
>is goin' with what feels right
>that's the problem...sure, their is a scientific aspect to
>music
>or technical, but mufuckas ain't makin' music because the
>technical scientifical aspect appeals to them, they makin'
>music because it FEELS GOOD TO THEM!


Nobody here is arguing aagainst that. This WHOLE shitstorm started because you fucking crybabies wonder why Academia and Historians don't recognize Hip-Hop as 'real' music. And I'm telling you why, but rather than deal with THAT, you're going into some old sideways ass bullshit about how the shit *I* like ain't music either. When the REAL issue is WHY Hip-Hop producers and artists don't spend more time trying to get thier system of notation recognized. Or why they don't put together a program for Hip-Hop ( and not just "Rappin' 101" and "How Hip Hop came from the park") for youth to understand Hip-Hop Music theory within the confines of OTHER music programs.

But no. It's always some half-baked History class ( that one could put together with Wikipedia links), and NEVER any discussion about music theory and composition.


>so as long as you have an ear, and can hear, that's all you
>need cuz technology helps you put together your musical ideas,
>even if you technically don't know what it's doin' or called
>or how to play. anybody just can't make straight outta
>compton or a pe record or even some piddly soulja boy beat,
>especially if you don't know what sounds good or can't, at the
>least, feel what sounds good


and like I said. In an academic setting ( which is what this post was SUPPOSED to be about), this means next to nothing. You can NEVER explain anything to an egghead about "feel". You have to have a theorem and a proof. Again, Music and Mathematics go hand in hand. You HAVE to follow the rules, otherwise the shit will NOT be accepted amongst those from whom you seek approval.


>
>you're a dj
>how many times do you blend songs together that are in the
>same key or the same rhythm? i know you throw shit together at
>times cuz it FEELS GOOD!

True, but TOTALLY irrelevant to this discussion.


>
>you better recognize and stop tryin' to be the devil's
>advocate to prove some assinine point

So, because you refuse to acknowledge it, it's asinine? ( and I won't point out the irony of you spelling "Asinine" wrong.)

and once again. Your Words:

"i don't know how to appease you on this point"

again, you're accusing everybody else of the same shit you're doing.