when the '70s turned into the '80s Herbie needed an outside producer (or two) or a songwriter to help his grooves. I've written enough about how I wish he had done an entire album with Ray Parker Jr. as co-writer/co-producer. If it had dropped in 1981 or so it would have at least been a cult classic.

Dam is fine how he is. Yes, he can get kind of "samey" if you listen to his own offs and the instrumental side of TOEACHIZOWN, but I think it's in the instrumentals where he shines most.

but I'm the kind of person who hears that "cough" of the Linn drum and just keep listening... so *shrug*