>>
>i was actually referring to me when i said "semi-decent" lol.
>i'd rather knock myself than throw subliminals at anyone.

me too. I was speaking in the generic sense. Not throwing darts.

man,
>the most basic bedroom producer with FL Studio & Ozone can
>make somethin sound if not pro, then close enuff to it.

you might THINK that. But it won't sound professional. Trust me.


>>Recording
>>Mixing
>>Mastering
>>proofs
>>duplication
>>artwork ( photography and or digital design).
>>
>>
>>and so on. Ain't NONE of that shit free. \
>understood. my counter: why not just D.I.Y most of it? or use
>friends and contacts that aren't going to charge u a dime?
>e.g. i got a friend who runs a music center/rehearsal studio
>who would let me use his space to record, mix and master
>whatever i wanted for free. i got a friend who is a pro
>photographer who could whip up artwork for me for free. i know
>a friend with a marketing company who can help me sell the
>shit online and elsewhere, free.


That's cool. But do you think they'd foot the bill EVERY time you want to record and release something? THEY'RE professionals. So I don't think they'd keep doing free work for you just so you could put out your 'hobby' records. You're costing them time and money.

sofar the only money i've put
>down is the $250 for an ounce of weed and $2.25 for a glass
>bottle of Pepsi. as someone into art and creative shit,
>there's a trusted network there of friends and fellow creative
>heads who would jump at the chance to help me craft music n
>they'd do it purely for the love of it.

See what happens if you keep going to the well. Not saying that you don't have a great group of friends, but eventually, you're going to have to pay somebody. Especially if any of your friends does what they're doing for a living. ( Especially engineering and mastering).

maybe my situation
>isn't everyone else's, but any kinda creative dude usually
>keeps fellow creatives in their circle. why not utilise
>friendships and goodwill for the benefit of ur music and for
>keeping the cost at a minimum?

Friendships and Goodwill only go so far. Especially when money comes into the picture.


>
>
>yyeeaahhh...see i think i still lack the purely artistic
>perspective? cos my whole life i been getting involved in
>different creative ventures, but it's always been what i want
>n when i want cos i always had a job doing some other shit and
>i could afford to do the creative stuff at my leisure.

Same here. I *CAN* afford it. I'm not crying broke. But what i'm saying is this shit costs money.


to be
>purely dependent for income on ur art is...SCARY.

Of course it is.

and, well,
>not the most secure route to take in life, i would imagine
>(ironically im guna be pursuing just that this year, just to
>see if i get anywhere or fail miserably). but it doesn't mean
>i agree the funding HAS to come from the consumers just becos.

But again, you're not asking that of ANY other merchant. You don't tell a restauranteur to not rely sole on his restaurant. So why is it that you think musicians have to have another job?


>like, i always conceived that an artist could make a living
>working a full-time job and subsequently have the cash and
>time (after work, on weekends) to make and release music. cos
>to me it's a purer form of whatever art that dude is gonna
>create, cos there'll be no monetary issues automatically stuck
>to it. u create what u wanna create, WHEN u wanna create it.
>that's gotta be a good thing for the music, no?

That whole argument is bullshit. And I'm telling you from firsthand experience, that I'm doing JUST that. Putting out my music, the way I want to. And in order for me to have it released to MY standards, I can't be cheap about it.

Why waste the time working on it, and then just throw together some bullshit as an end product?


>rightyo, but then again i don't think throwing money at a
>project necessarily equates to an untouchable product.

who said it did?

an old
>hat argument i know, but still worth repeating. so im seeing
>the option not to spend large cash still present there.


and like the old saying goes: "you get what you pay for..."


>
>>at what point do they grow up and find
>>>better ways of sustaining a livable income that doesn't
>>>involve making the listeners feel like criminals?
>>
>>so which is it? "Grow up" or "Make shit I like, and do it at
>>no cost to me"?
>>
>>c'mon man...
>
>lol right but artists can get away with "it costs money to
>make this shit, u gotta pay me for it no matter what cos
>that's how things work"? you come on, sir.

Tell me why that doesn't make sense. Again, what other services do you get and NOT pay for AFTER you've had them? Tell me where that works....



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