>im just over the whole thing really, and im over artists who
>support it. and im kinda mad artists aren't just sayin fuckit
>and doing their own thing n keep blaming US for their decline.
>don't most artists on labels get cash advances or some kinda
>budget to work with? can't they make albums on HALF the money
>they receive and use the rest for something else? shouldn't
>the costs of making a freakn album come down so artists aren't
>so dependent on US for keep em afloat? i feel like consumers
>keep getting the shitty end of the argument all the time,
>doesn't sound right.

For a start: budgets HAVE come down.

Some labels these days are giving bands advances of like $3000. That's not enough to pay for an album.

But it's still better than getting no advance at all, which many labels (I won't name name) offer artists these days.

I don't know if you realize how ridiculous it sounds for you to be complaining that the artists are depending on YOU (gasp!) to keep them afloat.

So you want to enjoy the music, but you resent the fact that the producers of the music require your patronage in order to stay in business? Please tell me ONE industry in the world in which that shit flies.

That's why I asked why it only applies to music. Do you complain about car companies are depending on you, y'know, PAYING for their product so that they can stay in business?


>right, but we still have a choice in making those decisions
>ye? even food deemed healthy is pretty crap. my fam grows all
>our veggies n fruits in the backyard/garden. that was a
>choice/reaction to food being rather questionable in general.

Umm... That's a false analogy.

You feel the food sold at the supermarket is crap, so you grow your own... You don't steal it from the store and say that you are "entitled" not to pay for it because it sucks.

The only way the analogy would be apt would be if you chose not to consume commercial music at all and you and your friends got together to form a band/bands to entertain yourselves.

That would be righteous.

>i have no idea how u even brought clothing, food and movies in
>here and then state why it only affects music as if that's
>what i was saying. im talking specifically about music, yes?

You're talking specifically about music, which (like it or not) is a commercial product just like food, cars, clothes and other shit you probably pay for with little complaint.

>doesn't mean i think it's the ONLY thing it affects. could say
>the exact same thing for films: budgets are too high,
>marketing costs WAY too fucking high, and then the industry
>that bloats its own products gets mad when consumers don't
>fork over the dosh? please. im bout to get mad all over again
>:/

Films are still art, though... my issue is the fact that modern consumers seem to believe that art should be free.

Nobody says it's their right to steal a car because the standard of construction and engineering is not what it used to be.


>i think i realise why i witnessed Afkap in so many arguments
>here over the years, ur drawing ur own conclusions n passing
>em off as my argument lol.

Oh... so you DIDN'T say that no artist is entitled to your money? That's some shit I made up, right?

I don't think that any artist IS entitled to your money, by the way... but you are not entitled to consume their work either. If you don't want an artist to have your money, don't give it to them! But by the same token, if your moral compass is on point, you shouldn't download their music either.

>artists are entitled to
>get paid for their work like anyone else doing anyTHING else,
>but as a modern-day consumer i have the luxury of trying
>before buying on a MASS scale. im not entitled to a free
>download of suchnsuch's work, but it's there, so i'll take it.
>n so does everfuckinbody else.

and if you like it... you buy it, right?

I mean, EVERYTHING you download and like... you buy?

Right?

>actually i wanted to draw a parallel b/w the gist of my
>argument, and the act of a friend burning a CD of an album he
>downloaded for free, and passing it on to another friend to
>listen to (aka traditional friend-to-friend bootlegging). or
>going into Borders and listening to full albums for free on
>the headphones and leaving without purchase.

Except that in the case of Borders you don't get to put it on your hard drive, your iPod, in your car and listen to it at the gym, the bathroom, your girl's house, your family reunion, your office Xmas party, etc.

ie you don't own a copy of it. VERY different.