and yet still whatever head doesn't admit they're at least on the short list for all-time is getting the side-eye from me as a hip-hop fan, they also can still drop some heat nearly twenty years later (like Chamber Music or OB4CL2 from just last year) even if for a variety of reasons (including the demise of this thread's subject) it will never be the same as it was during the initial RZA-helmed "five-year plan" (which is a better run during that period than any group has ever had).