>>I didn't say he changed electronic music. I said I turn on
>>some electronic music and hear his influence.
>
>if the music didnt change after him, how can you hear an
>influence?

I'm hearing artists putting his influence into their work. Electronic is a pretty broad form. You'll be able to find plenty of artists that have no DIlla influence. But there are some that have.

>>> usually when someone makes an outlandish statement,
>>>its up to that person to support it.
>
>you basically said that Dilla *influenced* a decently sized
>protion of the entertainment spectrum in america.

*blankstare* where did i say that?

>>you must have missed all the drum and bass artist that went
>>dubstep and hopped on the dilla quantization craze.
>
>no, i didnt miss all the artists that went dubstep, but ive
>never heard a dubstep record that contained any rhythmic
>characteristics that werent done before in jungle.

nice one. doesn't keep the artists from being influenced by dilla though. and you know (i hope) that's a broad generalization that wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. i don't have time to scrutinize it though so two points.

>well i agree there, but thats not me

i'm talking to you now.

>>It's a good thing I didn't say that Jay Dee changed Techno.
>>That would have been outlandish.
>
>IF Jay Dee were to have influenced Techno the only way to
>detect that is in changes in the music. No change = no
>influence

yeah but he didn't, and i never said he did, so making your point here doesn't add or diminish anything.

>>Did I say he's influencing late night tv, or did i say i
>turn
>>on late night tv and hear his influence. See how you're
>>twisting what I'm saying to make me look stupid. Except I'm
>>not stupid. I'm actually very clear about what I'm saying.
>
>but my point still stands. no one at NBC gives a shit about
>Jay Dee. Jimmy Fallon hired Jay Dee's friend. To claim that
>as a Dilla "win" is suspect.

Who said anything about a Dilla win? What are we winning. I'm just stating a fact. I turn on NBC and can hear Dilla's influence. You cannot deny that.

>
>>The polyrhythms of dubstep (on top of the two step)
>frequently
>>employ dilla esque sense of rhythm. Dubstep as a sound is
>>permeating through a lot of electronic music today
>>particularly for its rhythmic sensibilities. It's not all
>of
>>music of course but it's got it's strong little niche.
>
>but jungle like Soundmurderer, Paradox, and others are the
>foundation for polyrhythmic dubstep. if anything, i would say
>that Dilla was influenced by those early junglists.

Wait wait wait... was DIlla influenced by jungle or by techno? Hmmmmm.... there's a full circle to the electronic 'influnece' i've articulated elsewhere though not in this thread. another discussion at another time.

I'll make this point here without having to get into origins and such. Regardless of how you historically place the rise of dubstep, if I interview five artists and they all cite Dilla as a major influence on them, and can talk about the specifics of drum patterns and rhythms they love and studied from Dilla, he had a musical influence on them.


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