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13524352, "F-the streets" Human nature and....pt 2 or..Black America at crossroads
Posted by c71, Tue Dec-23-25 10:04 AM
Okay...

Y'all know I thought I addressed A LOT in the "Human Nature and the cyclical phenomenon...," GD post....and in there I touched on how trumps' 2nd Presidential "victory" and what the USA is going through seemingly for the "umpteenth" time (cycical) seems like "time" to "reassess" HOW MUCH THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO STAY STUCK in the "usual" muck (or "mud" like the brothers like to say)

..but...(or "..and..." or "...similarly...")


Now many Black public figures are "getting the hint" that trump's victory is a "Message" that Latinos and Asians and ESPECIALLY EAST INDIANS like Vivek and Kash and Dinesh D'Souza want to "use" a destructive instrument like trump to say Black people aren't "achieving much" in this new competitive environment world (where people are regularly becoming displaced/homeless anytime a city starts having any real estate worth living in) and surprise surprise right-wing people like new leader Nick Fuentes start admiring Hitler for his ways (even that Black North Carolina failed trump governorial candidate called himself a "nazi" for his belief that some people need to be....)


So...

21 Savage went viral for saying "f-the streets". Many see this as in line of this usual ascendant theme that Black American ways that seemingly brought on a new right-wing era need to change to face this era. Many aren't liking 21 Savage statement. 21 Savage tried to update to say bad things of the street need to go and love and good things need to come in to save the streets. Many are saying they have "hip-hop fatigue" due to the messages that are promoting destruction in our communities. So.....here we are:


What's OKP's take on "f-the streets" "hip-hop fatigue" and a new day where seemingly the old ways won't do (when homelessness seems more and more rampant and Nick Fuentes is changing people's previously negative view of Hitler's ways)?



21 Savage "F the Streets" - It’s Gotten out of Hand

Wayno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHSvldcsWZ8

0:00 Intro
00:26 We’re not overcoming anything
1:47 People speaking on this
4:54 Misconception + What’s more anti-Black?
6:42 Did the streets really make you?
7:36 We tired of it or are we?
8:55 HoneyKomb Brazy response is trauma
15:13 Fivio talks about it + F the mentality
17:14 Boosie is wrong + Streets mentality
21:19 Other comments + Manipulation
22:38 Wack100 comments + 21 Savage clarifies
26:40 We don’t know how to save ourselves
28:22 New era of this BS + Realest rappers
29:42 21 Savage “Save the streets”
31:57 My own experience + Unlearn



People Are DONE With GHETTO RAP MUSIC In 2025 (Rap Fatigue)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQdxf4jgCiA



https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/f-the-streets-21-savage-debate-hip-hops-street-culture-1235488973/


Whose Streets?

21 Savage Says ‘F*ck the Streets.’ The Rap World Isn’t So Sure
After calling for peace between Young Thug and Gunna, 21 Savage ignited a broader debate about street codes, snitching, branding, and whether rap’s old moral frameworks still matter in 2025.

By Jeff Ihaza

December 22, 2025


Last week, 21 Savage took to X and called for reconciliation between Young Thug and Gunna, two titans of Atlanta rap who’d fallen out over the belief that Gunna’s plea in the YSL trial amounted to snitching. In a series of posts, 21 — whose new album is appropriately titled, What Happened to the Streets? — pleaded for the rap world writ large to let go of the so-called street codes at the root of Thug and Gunna’s alleged tension. “Fuck the streets,” 21 wrote, “we ain’t get shit but trauma from that shit.”

A few days later, seemingly prepared for a detente, Young Thug tweeted: “Fuck the streets @21savage.” 21’s tweets have sparked what amounts to a movement on the rap internet, with pundits and fans chiming in on the supposed hypocrisy of rappers who rose to fame in part thanks to lyrical content that glorified street violence. Tekashi 6ix9ine, who was roundly ridiculed in hip-hop circles after he cooperated with federal prosecutors following his 2018 arrest, mocked 21’s recent rhetoric. On Instagram, he posted a Story with the caption: “Now it’s fuck the streets but remember when it was ‘yo 69 we don’t care about your platinum records WE PLATINUM IN THE STREETS.’” For all his trollish tendencies, many online seemed to agree with 6ix9ine’s assessment.

The tension between street ethics and commercial viability has surfaced repeatedly throughout hip-hop’s history. Jay-Z wrestled with it explicitly in the late Nineties and early 2000s, moving from hardened street raps on albums like Reasonable Doubt to the more corporate (read: capitalist) self-mythology we see today. Debates around artists like Rick Ross, whose past as a corrections officer became public following his initial rise, exposed how selectively enforced rap’s moral codes have always been.

There have been pockets of support for the so-called “F the streets” movement, too. Meek Mill, whose incarceration and subsequent advocacy for criminal-justice reform managed to reframe street authenticity in rap, chimed in, addressing rappers and fans taking issue with 21’s comments. “To the guys pushing that ‘street shit’ make sure feeding and supplying resources and opportunities for your family and community,” he wrote. “Make sure you didn’t put the streets before your ‘real family.’” Other artists often associated with “street” rap had similar takes, noting the extensive toll some of the violence depicted in their music has in real life. G Herbo — whose feature on 21’s new album makes for one of its best tracks — added some nuance to the discourse. “THE OBJECTIVE IS TO MAKE IT HOME EVERY NIGHT! THE GOAL IS TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILY & NOT BECOME A SAD STORY!” he wrote in a post on X.


Even so, many see the movement as an exercise in branding more than promoting actual peace. The Atlanta rap scene has been in a state of flux ever since the sprawling YSL trial that saw its biggest stars ensnared in a far-reaching racketeering case. Young Thug, who was at the center of the Fulton County DA’s indictment, spent more than 2 years behind bars. In December 2022, Gunna took what’s known as an Alford Plea, in which he declared that YSL was a gang that “must end.” The rap world came to interpret this as tantamount to snitching, a violation of a sacred rule in the streets. He was soon roundly dismissed by a number of his peers and has yet to make any public appearances with Thug. Among its unintended consequences, the hubbub would inspire the moniker “Rat-lanta.”

Earlier this year, Thug appeared on the podcast Perspektives With Bank, hosted by noted Atlanta rap personality Big Bank Black, where he tearfully discussed what he described as a betrayal by Gunna. “Was Gunna takin’ that plea harmful to me? Yes, 100 percent,” Thug said. “First we tellin’ the jurors ‘YSL ain’t a gang.’ Now we goin’ back to the jurors sayin’, ‘Well, some people might say it’s a gang — but we ain’t a part of that part of it. We a part of the record label part.’”


Further complicating matters, leaked prison calls from when he was still behind bars appeared to show Thug similarly offering information to authorities in a separate, earlier case, instigating a widespread backlash. All the while, Gunna’s recent album The Last Wun was among the year’s best-performing rap projects, suggesting that audiences care less about the so-called “streets” than the rappers themselves.

Online, the running narrative seems to be that this entire movement is partly a response to the lackluster sales figures for both 21 and Thug’s recent projects. Despite higher projections, 21’s What Happened to the Streets, sold around 73,000 album equivalent units and debuted at no. 3 on the Billboard 200. Thug’s first album out of prison was met with a muted critical response, and debuted at no. 6 on the charts with just over 50,000 albums sold.


Over the weekend, 21 took to Instagram to clarify his position. “When I say f the streets I’m talking about the part that gave me trauma and made me can’t sleep at night,” he wrote in an Instagram Story. “If you ain’t tired of that part you ain’t been through it!” That clarification may ultimately be the most telling part of this whole discourse cycle. In a rap landscape reshaped by RICO cases, streaming platforms, and audiences increasingly detached from the realities depicted in lyrics, the old rules no longer map so cleanly onto the present.

It’s no wonder, then, that most of those speaking out in favor of the “F the streets” movement invoke the impact they’d like to have on their kids. No one would wish the thug life onto their child, and as 21’s era of rappers enters middle age, that’s precisely the kind of existential question they find themselves confronting. His “Fuck the streets” sentiment reflects a generation of rappers reckoning with the cost of the codes that once defined them.

13524367, "f da streets" is some horseshit
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Dec-23-25 02:41 PM
from artists who are really mad about Gunna's career skyrocketing after snitching while theirs is falling off, and they realized this shit dont matter to regular people.

all that other mess is 21 trying to clean it up because people saw through the bs.
13524370, seem like 21 is just growing up, along with few others in his peer group.
Posted by tariqhu, Tue Dec-23-25 03:48 PM
no different than past generations that shifted their music as they got older.

as a movement though, it seems performative.
13524380, That nigga content has not changed. Dont go for that bs
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Dec-24-25 01:18 PM
https://youtu.be/vleqr8r8rSc?si=IY2fSjD-zkmxmvKt

First couple lines on a song that ain’t even supposed to be about shooting niggas

If it’s “F the streets” denounce your catalog, stop performing it and don’t mention shooting anyone in your new stuff. This shit is fake af man

You got folks like Pooh Shiesty co-signing it and he spent 5 mins on his first song out throwing grenades and shooting folks left and right.
13524388, oh lol
Posted by tariqhu, Fri Dec-26-25 09:08 AM
13524372, I’ve never been a fan of his sound
Posted by 3CardMolly, Tue Dec-23-25 05:36 PM
He part of that mumble rap clique that was full of fed presence with their music and honestly had no problem draining hiphop for his own benefit.

Where was the f the streets energy when the streets was draggin his ass for supposedly not being a US citizen? Whatever happened w/ that case?

He would’ve done better coming out with a rap love album than talking shit about the streets.

He knows what he’s doing and who he’s doing it for. F’k that dude.
13526125, The Republican Party’s Nazi Problem Is Getting Worse.- RS
Posted by c71, Mon Mar-16-26 05:58 PM
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/republican-party-nazi-problem-1235530169/

The Republican Party’s Nazi Problem Is Getting Worse. It Should Care
Young conservatives are praising Hitler. The GOP is shrugging

By John Avlon

March 13, 2026


In a world spiraling into war, with AI rising and jobs falling, it’s easy to miss the little things — like a spate of young Republicans praising Hitler.

Not so long ago, hugging Hitler was one of those lines you just didn’t cross in a decent democracy, and for good reason: fascism, the Second World War and genocide. Murdering millions of humans should never inspire admiration.

But that’s what’s been happening with increasing regularity, revealed by a recent string of unhinged text chains among young Republican leaders. This isn’t an outlier or a one-off. It’s a pattern and a problem.

Last week, the Miami Herald brought to light the contents of an extensive group chat started by the secretary of Miami-Dade County’s Republican Party, for conservative students at Florida International University. The chat quickly degenerated into a cesspool of racism, violent fantasies, and Hitler-admiration. The n-word was used over 400 times, including in ruminations on the best ways to murder African Americans (curb-stomping and crucifixion were mentioned by one allegedly pro-life member of the chat). The chat also included extensive references to women as “whores,” fantasies about all-white immigration laws, and free-flowing hatred toward Jewish Americans. The chat group was named “Gooning in Agartha” — which is a strange combo platter suggesting ornate masturbation rituals in “Nazi heaven.”


Now, an isolated bout of hate-flu perhaps could be dismissed, but it directly echoed another group chat of national young Republican leaders uncovered by reporters at Politico less than six months ago. In this Telegram chat, leaders from New York, Kansas, Arizona, and Vermont let their bile casually flow.

The then-chairman of the New York State Young Republicans, Peter Guinta, bragged: “I love Hitler.” The unguarded Guinta said that anyone who voted against him in his quest to lead the 15,000-member Young Republican National Federation “is going to the gas chamber.” To which the now former general counsel of the New York state Young Republicans, Joe Maligno, replied, “Can we fix the showers? Gas chambers don’t fit the Hitler aesthetic.” For the hate trifecta, Annie Kaykaty, New York’s national committee member, got in the spirit by saying, “I’m ready to watch people burn now.” These threats were in the context of trying to win an election on a hardcore pro-Trump ticket in which only “true believers” were wanted. The violence-inclined Nazi-admiring partisan apparatchiks were the strongest supporters of the current American president.


The Telegram chat’s parade of racism (playoff basketball games dismissed by saying, “I’d go to the zoo if I wanted to watch monkey play ball”), the description of rape as “epic,” along with the usual anti-gay and anti-Jewish slurs, and the incel spray of statements like “sex is gay,” show a deep core depravity when these young Republican leaders thought no one was listening. It should be said also that these participants were not misguided kids but full-fledged adults — Young Republican groups cover up to the age of 40. This reflects a dark permission structure that has been unleashed, a magnet for the Hitler-curious, the dark underbelly of the MAGA movement.

When the story about the Telegram chat broke last fall, state Republicans quickly distanced themselves from these young “leaders,” but national Republicans refused to denounce them, spurring the instant classic Time headline: “White House Shrugs Off Leaked Chats from Young Republicans Praising Hitler.”

This should be the least difficult thing in the world to denounce. The failure to do so seems like an odious extension of the “no enemies on the right” approach to politics: the enemy of my enemy is my friend, no matter what they might say. This fundamentally blurs the difference between healthy political competition and politics as a war against enemies, not fellow citizens. This is the Pandora’s box that has been opened up — and the furies are still flying.


Days ago, Kai Schwemmer was unveiled as the new political director of the College Republicans of America. He’s a self-identified “Groyper” with extensive ties to Hitler-admiring, far-right podcast host Nick Fuentes. Researcher Ben Lorber uncovered Schwemmer’s social media history of promoting white nationalist propaganda, unpacked here by MS NOW.

In other words, this problem isn’t being contained, it’s proliferating — from the new generation roots of the party, which portends plenty of future problems even in a post-Trump GOP. Something ugly is being unleashed.

The center-right Manhattan Institute did a survey of national Republicans and found that 17 percent can be classified as “anti-Jewish Republicans” — including majorities of Hispanic Republicans, Black Republicans, and Republican men under 50 believing that the Holocaust “was greatly exaggerated or did not happen as historians describe.”

The Manhattan Institute’s City Journal also conducted a focus group with younger Trump voters and — admirably bypassing any impulse to self-censor — quoted a 20-year old self-described “very right wing” Christian landscaper named Andrew, who explained some of the synaptic logic: “I’m very pro-strong executive, strong leader, strong man. I support national sovereignty, and Hitler was a nationalist. He was like, we have to take Germany back for Germans. And I feel like we should do that in America. We should take America back for our native population.”


The kids are not all right. In our horseshoe political world where the far-right and far-left circle back and overlap, there is an increasingly urgent problem with antisemitism on the extremes bleeding into the mainstream, and it needs to be clearly condemned whenever and wherever it rears its head. But outright admiration of Hitler is a dangerous, uncut dose of this ancient brand of hate.



This didn’t come out of nowhere. There was evidence of an ugly permission structure in Trump’s refusal to denounce David Duke in 2016, the both-siderism after the Charlottesville “Unite the Right” rally in which khaki’d men with torches shouted “Jews will not replace us,” and the presence of at least five self-described Nazis at the January 6 attack on the Capitol, as I reported in a CNN “Reality Check” segment. The Atlantic’s Tom Nichols — himself a former Republican — recently catalogued the Trump’s administration’s increasing use of Nazi iconography in an article concisely titled, “The Republican Party Has a Nazi Problem.”


We cannot allow this depraved new low to be normalized in America. The autocratic impulse that leads weak people to fall under the sway of a self-styled strong man leads to lethal places. This problem is erupting from the base, particularly from younger members, who should be the most idealistic participants in our politics. It cannot be contained, it must be confronted consistently — particularly from Republicans. Each party has an obligation to police its own extremes and there is nothing more extreme — and evil — than Adolph Hitler and his genocidal goosestepping thugs. If you can’t clearly and confidently call out Nazi admirers in your own party, then you’ve put party over country, conscience, and common sense.

13527080, Supreme Court deals what is called severe blow to Votng Rights Act
Posted by c71, Thu Apr-30-26 06:22 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/29/supreme-court-voting-rights-act-louisiana-00898123

In another "cyclical" development, Black people are back to what Corretta Scott King reportedly informed us: every generation has to face the effort to secure rights/freedom yet again.


So....


...as "daunting" as that objective may seem....


...all I can denote is our own wherewithal presently (or imminently) to meet the moment.

This is always good:


www.voy.com/70693/