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Topic subjectIs your city’s metro shopping area turning into a ghost town?
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13518793, Is your city’s metro shopping area turning into a ghost town?
Posted by 3CardMolly, Tue May-06-25 06:28 AM
Mine is.

Chicago’s State street use to overflow with people and businesses. Now its looking mighty empty. Personally I think it a combination of downtown residents being online shoppers and the parking fees keeping other shoppers away. A third being skyrocket rent. Granted the magnificent mile hasn't been affected visually, North Clark street has seen better days. There arent any board ups like the city forces on abandoned properties on the south and west sides, just lots of whitewashed windows.

Any significant changes to your city?
13518798, Sac is the seat of State Gov't in Cali.
Posted by spades, Tue May-06-25 09:57 AM
but EVERY dept at the state has embraced the hybrid model. That means downtown has lost about 50% of it's workforce on any given day.

all those sandwich shops, dive bars (suspiciously close walking distance to every major state dept.....) lunch spots are all suffering.
13518906, RE: Sac is the seat of State Gov't in Cali.
Posted by 3CardMolly, Thu May-08-25 05:20 PM
You think the work-from-home group is only to blame? Also how is Sacramentos downtown recovering the 50% of empty office space?

13518937, They're not ONLY to blame, but I'd say they are a major contributing factor
Posted by spades, Fri May-09-25 12:17 PM
Sac's downtown has always felt like a sundown town (not in the racists way, in that once the sun goes down / working hours are over, it basically shuts down.)

We've made strides in developing more nightlife down there, but it's still a thing.

They have efforts to change zoning so they can transform the vacant commercial space into affordable (and not) housing. Something this region and state DESPERATELY needs.
13518802, Charlotte doesn’t have a metro shopping area
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue May-06-25 10:24 AM
weirdest shit ever

13518835, Word? Like how?
Posted by spades, Wed May-07-25 10:38 AM
What y'all got downtown?
13518847, nice downtown area lots of bars / restaurants, hotels, banks / other
Posted by mikediggz, Wed May-07-25 12:52 PM
businesses, stadium, but no real shopping per se
13518907, RE: nice downtown area lots of bars / restaurants, hotels, banks / other
Posted by 3CardMolly, Thu May-08-25 05:24 PM
Sounds tourist friendly yet no shoe, clothing or boutique stores? Strange
13518894, was looking to move to Charlotte 3 years ago
Posted by seasoned vet, Thu May-08-25 01:46 PM
i looked up the downtown area and was horrified. it looked like the downtown of a small town in Mississippi
13518803, Quite a few storefronts are empty here in Philly
Posted by flipnile, Tue May-06-25 12:15 PM
Seems like half the storefronts on Walnut Street are empty. Entertainment like bars & restaurants seem to be doing ok, but retail is fucked. There always mad people downtown due to the large amount of people that live and work in Center City. A lot of tourists too.

Online shopping (Amazon & others) have really fucked-up brick and mortar.

It gets worse out in the suburbs tho, as they either have struggling malls, or straight-up empty ghost malls now (except for King of Prussia).
13518908, RE: Quite a few storefronts are empty here in Philly
Posted by 3CardMolly, Thu May-08-25 05:46 PM
Seems like live entertainment and adventure is a big sale. Perhaps a great time for theater.
13518804, Seattle? yes.
Posted by PROMO, Tue May-06-25 01:29 PM
now, to be 100% fair, i rarely go into the city these days so maybe i'm not the best barometer.

that said, i used to live IN the city...like, IN DOWNTOWN, for 15 years, so i think i know enough to speak on it's vibrancy and character.

many big retailers and restaurants have closed up shop. everything has become so homogenous as far as what's left thanks to the tech boom...like, almost all of the "sauce" that it once had just seems to be gone. you can still find it in neighborhood pockets, but it used to be everywhere.

it really sucks too because Seattle used to be REALLy great and being from there was a great source of pride for many people, but i don't really feel the same way nor do many lifelong locals i know.
13518809, downtown atlanta is been shit for decades.
Posted by tariqhu, Tue May-06-25 05:41 PM
there's always a plan to revitalize, but it never comes to fruition. it's home to homelessness and doesn't look safe. even to me who grew up here, it doesn't feel right.

underground atlanta is just in the way and they can't figure out what to do with it. I think there are club and art type events there, but overall, it's not the attraction that it once was.

13518818, They closed Town Center Mall because they didn’t pay the light bill.
Posted by JFrost1117, Tue May-06-25 09:18 PM
Me and my mom used to break our necks to get up there on Black Friday. It was super dead the last time I was in there.
13518873, I've gone there within the last year or so.
Posted by tariqhu, Thu May-08-25 08:03 AM
it's terrible in there lol. wonder if there are plans to close it down.
13518820, underground was the shit in the 90’s
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed May-07-25 05:27 AM
took my wife there in 2005 and it was nothing but homeless men. She was scared.

That food hall place was PACKED tho when we had christmas there a few years ago.

Is that outdoor mall still popping? I remember it was packed too but that was like 10 years ago.

13518874, 90s was good down there. that's when they turned it into a mall.
Posted by tariqhu, Thu May-08-25 08:10 AM
no idea what the can do to make it work now. there are no other attractions that I'm aware of in that area. even if they figure out something dope to do with it, I don't see people flocking there.

if you're talking about Atlantic Station, yes. that's still a spot to hang. not as strong as it was earlier but still cool.
13518909, RE: 90s was good down there. that's when they turned it into a mall.
Posted by 3CardMolly, Thu May-08-25 05:51 PM
What made it change tho? Online shopping, ridiculous high rents, competition, violence?
13518933, it started well before the internet.
Posted by tariqhu, Fri May-09-25 11:03 AM
the stores downtown started closing. competition got heavy. the city grew more spots to hang out and expanded the rail system.

people moved out of the city to the burbs. they're trying to come back into the city, but the downtown area hasn't seen any of those people.

business also away and went to lenox, perimeter, or other further out places.

crime played a part, but I don't believe that was the driver. crime likely showed up more when the stores and underground atl went away.
13518819, they built a mall with high end retailers
Posted by Effa, Tue May-06-25 10:07 PM
in 2019 when everyone else was closing them
13518910, RE: they built a mall with high end retailers
Posted by 3CardMolly, Thu May-08-25 05:53 PM
You mean the block 37?
13518923, rumor was it was expected to fail
Posted by Effa, Fri May-09-25 12:03 AM
so that they can then swoop in and make it a casino. which would be so bad its not even funny.

a full on casino 20 minutes from the bronx?
13518842, Downtown SF is running on fumes
Posted by Nopayne, Wed May-07-25 12:20 PM
The mall and surrounding blocks used to be too packed to walk by. International tourism is expected to be way down this year too so it might be a wrap. The new mayor is pushing hard to get more people back in offices. Fuck that.
13518843, Fuck that!
Posted by spades, Wed May-07-25 12:35 PM
>Fuck that.

Up here in Sac they are trying to convert all the unused state buildings into affordable housing (FINALLY!)

We DO NOT NEED TO RETURN TO TRADITIONAL OFFICE CULTURE.
13518853, They were talking about similar conversions here.
Posted by Nopayne, Wed May-07-25 03:44 PM
>>Fuck that.
>
>Up here in Sac they are trying to convert all the unused state
>buildings into affordable housing (FINALLY!)
>
>We DO NOT NEED TO RETURN TO TRADITIONAL OFFICE CULTURE.
>

Some people wanted to start converting vacant offices to housing. I don't remember why that stalled out (money I'm sure).
13518883, You know what it is...
Posted by spades, Thu May-08-25 10:39 AM

>Some people wanted to start converting vacant offices to
>housing. I don't remember why that stalled out (money I'm
>sure).
13518871, not ghos towns because they're turning malls into apartments and shit
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Wed May-07-25 09:49 PM
>Mine is.
>
>Chicago’s State street use to overflow with people and
>businesses. Now its looking mighty empty. Personally I think
>it a combination of downtown residents being online shoppers
>and the parking fees keeping other shoppers away. A third
>being skyrocket rent. Granted the magnificent mile hasn't been
>affected visually, North Clark street has seen better days.
>There arent any board ups like the city forces on abandoned
>properties on the south and west sides, just lots of
>whitewashed windows.
>
>Any significant changes to your city?


6th St Market is long gone and they're still trying to figure out what to do with the Colliseum, while putting up condos everywhere and no parking lots
13518872, Richmond?
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu May-08-25 05:29 AM
13518914, RE: yep they're doing the same thing they did with Cloverleaf and Regency
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Thu May-08-25 06:34 PM
to VA Center Commons, but Regency still has half a mall
13518911, I’m waiting to see that in Chicago
Posted by 3CardMolly, Thu May-08-25 06:07 PM
They’ve flipped schools, churches, hospitals and factories but no malls yet.

In another note the city is towing and ticketing to recover revenue but I believe none of the parking meter funds goes to the city, only the tickets and towing. So parking downtown is trash.
13518915, RE: factories here too
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Thu May-08-25 06:35 PM
they did that first matter of fact, they leave it the same on the outside and gut them for the rustic look