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13483674, Yo yall watching this Killa Cam and Murder Mase Podcast!?!
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Apr-27-23 12:24 PM
To wet your beak, start off with some highlights from twitter:


https://twitter.com/shannonsharpeee/status/1650129437160267777

https://twitter.com/briandrowns/status/1651600275470442497


But besides asking Swaggy P who is trash, one of the wildest moments is they have Jayson WIlliams on the Show, then have a post show recap and clown the dude for lying and smelling like alcohol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwqsUrg-1Zk&t=313s


And these dudes are single-handedly trying to bring Pause back.

Besides the comedy, it's dope to see these cats who use to war going back to being old friends and just making each other laugh.

ALso dope to see them suited up. It just adds another layer to the comedy.

The funniest moment so far was when Cam was trying to apologize to Pat Beverly and Reverend Murder Mase was like, nah f*ck that. I'll choke him out!

https://twitter.com/nflandhotdfan/status/1646899064112582656

It's wild that Cam is the straight nice guy and Mase is the wild irreverent one. (Just reminds you that Bad Boy really didn't get what made mase great and let him be him. )

Yall need to catch up on this.







**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13483675, They went in on Barkley
Posted by Lurkmode, Thu Apr-27-23 12:36 PM


that was wild.
13483676, I saw a "pause" compilation and thought it was filmed in 2004
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Apr-27-23 12:40 PM
13483682, Haha holy shit I had no idea I needed this.
Posted by Brew, Thu Apr-27-23 01:02 PM
This is amazing. I'm neck deep in clips now.
13483712, brilliant lol. just seein these guys together is a mind boggle
Posted by mikediggz, Thu Apr-27-23 04:47 PM
13483714, So... was Mase a pastor forreal?
Posted by Hitokiri, Thu Apr-27-23 06:33 PM
I didn't follow his comeback to rap and all that but it's wild as hell to see a former pastor talking like this
13483718, Crazy stories about Pastor Ma$e
Posted by JFrost1117, Thu Apr-27-23 08:35 PM
https://youtu.be/IbuU7A_VdIw

https://youtu.be/qMXFIQWViwg
13483719, “When’s the last time you listened to a Mase song?”
Posted by DJR, Thu Apr-27-23 09:12 PM
“Never. I unlistened to everything I ever listened to.” Lmao.
13483725, that 1st story/video was about 12min too long and underwhelming
Posted by FLUIDJ, Fri Apr-28-23 07:24 AM
13483727, My fam had a mase story.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Apr-28-23 07:59 AM
So they was all on the scene around the time in like 97-99 clubbing and what not and she met him and he asked for the number and she gave it. Nothing came of it and he never calling.

Months later she runs into him again at the club and they get to talking about it and she's like you must have forgotten my number.

And he was like, Nah and then proceeds to rattle off her number without looking at his phone or anything.

I always thought that was such a crazy impressive feat and even though he sounded like a slow baby when he spoke he must have been a smarter cat then he appears.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13484114, much smarter than he seems. We had class together at CAU
Posted by Lach, Mon May-08-23 07:36 PM
in 1999. Certain things about himself he didn't like to talk about as well.
13496025, RE: much smarter than he seems. We had class together at CAU
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Wed Dec-20-23 10:02 AM
>in 1999. Certain things about himself he didn't like to talk
>about as well.

Maybe it's something people might weaponize?

Just me reading between the lines, you may be talking about something totally different.
13484127, I knew by the way he tried to make the female co-host say
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue May-09-23 10:10 AM
"Mase is always right"

It almost worked. Cam looked impressed

13483716, cams teeth might be the funniest part of the show lol.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Apr-27-23 07:49 PM
13483723, Yo, them shits are wild distracting
Posted by kwez, Fri Apr-28-23 06:00 AM
I've always wondered why cats can't ever seem to get teeth that actually fit.

Also, they always look unnaturally white.


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13483724, Yeah what is that? Veneers? False teeth?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Apr-28-23 07:16 AM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13483729, First thing I noticed right out the gate too.
Posted by Brew, Fri Apr-28-23 09:02 AM
13483717, .
Posted by Reeq, Thu Apr-27-23 07:49 PM
.
13484111, I don’t even know the context of this clip
Posted by JFrost1117, Mon May-08-23 02:34 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cr51uI8s7uS/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

They could’ve been having this much fun years ago.
13484115, This shit feels dirty
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Mon May-08-23 08:13 PM
Like you gonna catch a case or some street internet beef just off listening to these two bozos
13484125, Just watched the pause highlights last night and then a full episode
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue May-09-23 10:08 AM
Dudes are comical

Sometimes they can barely get a sentence out without arguing over who said the more pause-worthy shit, but they have good regular dude analysis too, like for example Baltimore getting Odell was like a put or shut up move for Lamar, how Lamar needs an agent for real, etc.

Funny Jim Jones hating on the low, but Mase and Cam got that vibe where they go way back. Never seen Cam laugh that hard.

13484129, whats capo saying about cam and mases show?
Posted by mikediggz, Tue May-09-23 11:21 AM
ive been wondering about what his take is lol
13484130, honestly nothing major
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue May-09-23 11:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zrlagASgVA

13484128, Another podcast with Harlem dudes being extra with the pause shit
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue May-09-23 10:15 AM
(in a funny way) is the Restore Order

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gl89NateVU

Honestly this shit had me belly laughing watching this
13484232, these crazy troll ass niggas roasting sir charles
Posted by mikediggz, Wed May-10-23 02:11 PM
lolsmh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4JSygGmUgc
13491859, Them dudes mad ashy yo
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Sep-25-23 05:50 PM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13491860, that shit was hilarious
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Sep-25-23 06:12 PM
13491858, This would have been entertaining in 2005.
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Mon Sep-25-23 05:30 PM
They’re damn near 50 still acting like high school seniors.
13491872, i don't wanna grow up, i'm a toys r us kid.
Posted by PROMO, Tue Sep-26-23 07:58 AM
you sound crotchety, lol.
13491874, ^
Posted by Brew, Tue Sep-26-23 08:17 AM
13491881, I'll be crotchety.
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Tue Sep-26-23 10:35 AM
I find no entertainment in listening to dudes close to collecting social security talk like high schoolers.
13491882, ^ you on it. i felt the same abt Desus and Mero
Posted by seasoned vet, Tue Sep-26-23 12:08 PM
13491888, Damn you two sound like a blast.
Posted by Brew, Tue Sep-26-23 12:53 PM
13491900, I didn't peak in high school, so I can't relate to this show. 🤷🏿‍♂️
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Tue Sep-26-23 02:45 PM
13491911, It looks like you may have found a new way to hide post subjects. Neat 👍🏾
Posted by squeeg, Tue Sep-26-23 05:21 PM
13491890, smh.
Posted by PROMO, Tue Sep-26-23 01:20 PM
13491972, Right I like seeing old rappers, and these dudes not really that old…
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Sep-27-23 09:52 PM
I don’t think either one is 50 yet, of course we still got L, Jay and Snoop still on the scene major but a lot of guys that are still around just fade
13491996, I like seeing old rappers too
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Thu Sep-28-23 10:49 AM
But they still act like they did when I was in high school. I'm 43, time to grow up a little.
13492009, RE: I like seeing old rappers too
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Sep-28-23 02:34 PM
>But they still act like they did when I was in high school.
>I'm 43, time to grow up a little.

most of them don't grow up but there are exceptions like the guys I mentioned above, LL has been on network tv for 30 years so he has literally grown up in the spotlight, Snoop has literally done everything from tv to movies to producing porn to hanging out with Martha Stewart to now being the spokesperson for Corona, his intelligence and his laid back California-cool that allows him to pull it all off. Jay is Jay, a hustler from day one and has taken it to the highest levels.

Those guys are the cream of the cream, others have progressed at different rates and different levels, I like this lane for Cam and Mase and appears to be lucrative for them...

https://www.bet.com/article/8cbb7f/camron-mase-it-is-what-it-is-8-figure-deal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePjq0cu6J08
13491875, That it sounds like my high school locker room...
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Sep-26-23 08:52 AM
Is precisely the fun.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13491883, lol
Posted by Amritsar, Tue Sep-26-23 12:17 PM
i will say.. the novelty of it wore off real quick.

13491904, I watched part of one ep. that was enough.
Posted by tariqhu, Tue Sep-26-23 03:10 PM
just didn't like what I saw. I can watch high school behavior at times, but their version of it wasn't good to me.
13495715, This is where I'm at with it...
Posted by guru0509, Mon Dec-11-23 02:34 PM
>They’re damn near 50 still acting like high school seniors.
>


13491861, I love it lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Sep-25-23 06:17 PM
13495629, Cam trying to get at Nia Long is the funniest ish I've seen in a minute
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Dec-07-23 04:45 PM

https://www.tiktok.com/@sportsncomedy10/video/7309106099137809707?_r=1&_t=8hxjci80hUx

So many jokes but "Hey Stink" has got to be the coldest opening.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13495642, The calls for "maturity" are mind boggling imo
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Fri Dec-08-23 11:47 AM
It's cool if you don't find them entertaining, but thinking there is something special about the way you've been programmed to carry yourself in the workplace... lol

It's just not their burden to bear. If you're taking care of your responsibilities as a man it's perfectly ok to be who you are.


13495645, Meh, it depends on what they want.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Dec-08-23 12:18 PM
They could have a much bigger following, endorsements, invited to come on TNT and the whole 9 if they cleaned it up a bit.

If they don't care about any of that, that's ok too.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13495648, They're huge already. The sports betting market eliminates the need
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Fri Dec-08-23 12:50 PM
for them to "clean up". If you haven't seen them somewhere, they probably turned it down. They've shouted out tons of sports personalities, and appeared on Stephen A Smith show. I don't see them appearing on Inside the NBA helping either side. It can be argued that what they do diminishes the appeal of shows like Inside the NBA. Inside the NBA is the source of a lot of semi inappropriate comedy gold. Cam & Mase get as inappropriate as they want.

Besides, real sports fans don't want cleaned up anything. Who gave you that idea?
13495802, Stephan A had to have winced at the whorehouse episode
Posted by Cocobrotha2, Wed Dec-13-23 11:55 AM
Stephen A went on there pretty early so I don't think it will blow back on him but I think brands (people and companies) of Stephen A's stature and bigger will think twice about being directly affiliated with the show now.

But ultimately it really depends on Cam's goal. If he's trying to make as much as possible, as soon as possible, he's gotta play that corporate game.

If he still wants to grow the idea but keep control of it, then he can do it more slowly... take his time to define the show as a brand and then see if there are ways to expand into similar fields. Dave Portnoy is probably as "irreverent" as Cam and BarStool makes ALOT of money (funny thing is that he did eventually sellout and the sports betting company eventually said, no thanks, we going ESPN lol)

OR if he just wants to big enough to get some interesting people on the show while kicking it with Mase, he can just do what he's been doing.
13495835, You guys are behind they already have a multi million dollar deal
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Thu Dec-14-23 02:34 PM
So it's pretty funny to hear the generic "they gotta play ball if they really wanna get big" replies. All these corporate people care about is money, and how much censorship do you think gamblers who watch games socially want?
13495655, I think most wise folk want to be authentic and successful
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Dec-08-23 01:25 PM
seems like when you try to clean it up or go large it rarely works out because you lose control and white folk start telling you what to do.
13495647, The timing of them giving Stat her own show was perfect
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Fri Dec-08-23 12:32 PM
It's great that she has a platform where she doesn't have to worry about her bosses feelings, i think it will help her progress faster.
13495719, Middle aged men playing "pause" is wild corny. I'm sorry.
Posted by kwez, Mon Dec-11-23 04:14 PM
I'm dying on that hill

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13495745, “Klay has no layup package pause” - mase
Posted by guru0509, Tue Dec-12-23 01:21 PM
>I'm dying on that hill


Agreed
13495753, most rappers don’t want to accept that they are middle aged men
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-12-23 02:25 PM
if you turn this on looking for “mature takes” thats a YOU problem



13495769, lol. it's true.
Posted by PROMO, Tue Dec-12-23 04:26 PM
if you looking for maturity, ESPECIALLY from Cam'ron, you are REALLY barking up the wrong tree.
13495792, I figured most watched for the immature hot takes
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Dec-13-23 09:52 AM
granted I have never watched a full episode but its like those who turn on Chappelle and cross their arms while taking notes.

I saw a clip of Airplane where 2 white kids had a joke bout coffee and the girl said she likes her coffee Black like her men.

comment section was predictable. "Sexualizing kids, totally inappropriate!!!"

well... yeah, that was obviously the whole point of the joke. Wait until you see Blazing Saddles. lol
13495836, That's a respectable opinion. You aren't feeling that
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Thu Dec-14-23 02:56 PM
You're not telling them what to do, you're just saying you think it's a corny shtick.
13495768, I thought this was upped cause Killa aired out Jessica Rabbit
Posted by Beamer6178, Tue Dec-12-23 04:15 PM
she asked for it though...
13495801, She was wrong
Posted by Lurkmode, Wed Dec-13-23 11:54 AM


but he went overboard.
13495837, No he didn't.
Posted by Teknontheou, Thu Dec-14-23 03:50 PM
13495841, 30 min video response
Posted by Lurkmode, Thu Dec-14-23 05:25 PM


Yes he did.
13495848, Lurkmode cares if don't nobody else cares.
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Fri Dec-15-23 12:53 AM
Not sure if you're biased or brainwashed, but I'm not sparing any man woman or child that would attempt to destroy my career for the sake of content. She was rebuked by her castmates when she initially approached the topic, then dug in deeper. She can't turn back now.

And Joe is nasty for airing the segment. He acts as if he want to stop her from being attacked, but he could have "protected" her and not aired the clip at all. Now he HAS to ride with her. All she needs is a couple instances of Joe editing potentially offensive material from the show and he's getting sued.
13495856, Grab your guns they coming for The Bobblehead man
Posted by Lurkmode, Fri Dec-15-23 08:18 AM


based on the comments from a podcast. They are going to take everything away from him. I'm not biased or brainwashed, it's called being reasonable, using common sense. She was wrong, I can understand calling her out but a 30 min vid dragging Ice T into it.

What? What part of Bizzaro world are you living in ? Joe forced to go along with her to avoid a potentially lawsuit. lmao bias and brainwashed indeed.


Is Mase career safe ?
13495904, I think you have to be harsh because it's a harsh accusation
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Sat Dec-16-23 08:03 PM
We can agree on him dragging Ice T into it, that was corny.

13495944, What she said was horrible
Posted by Lurkmode, Mon Dec-18-23 12:23 PM


but going too harsh could have backfired.
13495864, For what she was implying 30 minutes wasn't long enough
Posted by Teknontheou, Fri Dec-15-23 10:44 AM
He should have done an hour.
13495865, That wouldn't help him
Posted by Lurkmode, Fri Dec-15-23 10:51 AM


should he add more names like Ice T ?
13495871, He should have come like this:
Posted by Teknontheou, Fri Dec-15-23 11:41 AM
https://youtu.be/h2qtQ-7Hecs?si=kfNXdyGKYrn_gX9Q
13495876, lol
Posted by Lurkmode, Fri Dec-15-23 12:02 PM

n/m
13495877, oh you all are talking about Melyssa Ford. why she Jessica Rabbit?
Posted by PROMO, Fri Dec-15-23 12:05 PM
weird.
13495880, why she Jessica Rabbit?
Posted by Lurkmode, Fri Dec-15-23 12:42 PM


I guess

https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/melyssa-ford-the-videos-has-stopped/


She is often referred to as “Jessica Rabbit”, after the character from the animated film Who Framed Roger Rabbit whose voluptuous figure Ford is said to resemble.
13495881, i had no idea.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Dec-15-23 12:50 PM
13495920, it wasn't solely about her
Posted by Beamer6178, Sun Dec-17-23 03:35 PM
but yeah, he was justified. and he demonstrated how discretion could be flipped if people really wanted to take it there. she got too comfortable and needed to be reminded.

and YES, Joe could have cut that from the show. that's the beauty of a podcast v. live radio, you got time to fix shit.
13495946, Anything over 3 min is too much
Posted by Lurkmode, Mon Dec-18-23 12:30 PM


He "demonstrated how discretion could be flipped" by dragging Ice T into it ?

It was stupid and reckless since he has more to lose then she does.
13496109, RE: Anything over 3 min is too much
Posted by Beamer6178, Sun Dec-24-23 12:24 AM
>
>
>He "demonstrated how discretion could be flipped" by dragging
>Ice T into it ?
right cause a literal former pimp is gonna be worried about the hits to his rep

>It was stupid and reckless since he has more to lose then she
>does.
SHE WAS STUPID AND RECKLESS. he threw a few warning shots.

Cam stay winning and reinventing himself. But he's still Harlem World.
13495838, the cartoon?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-14-23 03:55 PM
13495840, Yeah, man.
Posted by squeeg, Thu Dec-14-23 05:14 PM
Turns out she has live-action nipples.
13495843, LOL.
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Dec-14-23 06:27 PM

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
13495853, lmao.. I tried to google and cartoon pron popped up
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Dec-15-23 07:43 AM
someone have a link?
13495859, At least I wasn’t the only one confused, is that new rapper?
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Dec-15-23 08:40 AM
13495884, LMAO @ this entire exchange...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Fri Dec-15-23 01:12 PM
..I'm pretty sure if anyone googles "who is known as the black jessica rabbit," Melyssa Ford's name will be the 1st return.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
13495886, oh i was familiar w/ this whole situation from beginning to end.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Dec-15-23 01:20 PM
but i dont' regularly watch Cam N Mase show i just see clips from IG or tik tok or twitter, so i thought Jessica Rabbit was some other shit.

i never heard M Ford referred to as Jessica Rabbit in any manner, *shrug*.
13495889, Its a Black thing...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Fri Dec-15-23 01:25 PM
..we won't hold you to that. LOL


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
13495919, ROFL this shit hilarious
Posted by Beamer6178, Sun Dec-17-23 03:21 PM
>..we won't hold you to that. LOL
>
>
>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
>
>
>..and miles to go before i sleep...

of all the references I've seen on this site that I often have to google for context, I can't believe THIS was the one that got em

and yes i'm Black if niggas didn't know before lol

"Here come the general for the quadricentennial
I'm a non-millenial what I rep is the old niggas" - Tariq
13495899, I put in Killa Cam and Jessica Rabbit..
Posted by legsdiamond, Sat Dec-16-23 12:59 PM
Camron and Jessica Rabbit

anything with Jessica Rabbit brought up the cartoon.. lol

funny thing is I knew about the Melissa Ford/Cam from a meme or screen shot but didnt dive into it.
13495842, Jessica Rabbit?
Posted by PROMO, Thu Dec-14-23 05:58 PM
13495898, while we here, cam keep a freestyle
Posted by grey, Sat Dec-16-23 03:52 AM
https://youtu.be/fCJSNk1iuc0?si=WZ1GKnjUZ7Wkmfq3

was gonna jump out the window and say its up there with the bet joint but i watched it again and caught myself. still, that nigga is spit-ting. (…)

13495927, that aint a freestyle but he was indeed spittin
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Dec-18-23 06:50 AM
mr popadopalus
think I want a roller coaster
put that on the shopping list
13495934, it's a post 2005 freestyle...
Posted by PROMO, Mon Dec-18-23 10:30 AM
since the meaning of freestyle started to change around that time.

here's a better one from a couple months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am05kTDjyOY

Cam is personally Top 5 dead or alive for ME. he has a much music as i enjoy as anyone you could name.

and a year ago he smoked Funk Flex:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiJeKrICaLc

13495951, aight afrika bambaata
Posted by grey, Mon Dec-18-23 01:29 PM
13496012, Their latest episode regarding Anthony Edwards is really good
Posted by guru0509, Tue Dec-19-23 07:49 PM
they dropped some jewels on this episode regarding people being unable to control their impulses, and being careful who you associate with etc

i like this angle of their show, or when they tell rap stories, or stories of growing up in harlem




>To wet your beak, start off with some highlights from
>twitter:
>
>
>https://twitter.com/shannonsharpeee/status/1650129437160267777
>
>https://twitter.com/briandrowns/status/1651600275470442497
>
>
>But besides asking Swaggy P who is trash, one of the wildest
>moments is they have Jayson WIlliams on the Show, then have a
>post show recap and clown the dude for lying and smelling like
>alcohol.
>
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwqsUrg-1Zk&t=313s
>
>
>And these dudes are single-handedly trying to bring Pause
>back.
>
>Besides the comedy, it's dope to see these cats who use to war
>going back to being old friends and just making each other
>laugh.
>
>ALso dope to see them suited up. It just adds another layer to
>the comedy.
>
>The funniest moment so far was when Cam was trying to
>apologize to Pat Beverly and Reverend Murder Mase was like,
>nah f*ck that. I'll choke him out!
>
>https://twitter.com/nflandhotdfan/status/1646899064112582656
>
>It's wild that Cam is the straight nice guy and Mase is the
>wild irreverent one. (Just reminds you that Bad Boy really
>didn't get what made mase great and let him be him. )
>
>Yall need to catch up on this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13496024, Great convo & they may be opening up new lanes for themselves
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Wed Dec-20-23 09:56 AM
It's shameful that the NBA doesn't have a program to help these guys not get caught up with the wrong types. Cam & Mase could partner up with some former pros and start something.
13496027, This is like one of the main things the Players Association spend their time
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Dec-20-23 10:59 AM
doing.

Ultimately it's on them if they want to step away from that life.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13496041, If that's the case then i stand corrected. That's on me for not fact
Posted by The Bobblehead Man, Wed Dec-20-23 07:34 PM
>doing.
>
>Ultimately it's on them if they want to step away from that
>life.
>

checking what Mase and Cam said.
13496212, same thing with financial advice
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Dec-28-23 10:13 PM
these players have access to this information and most of them still ball out when they get paid.

3 years later....