but when you think about it, its hard to argue against.

Flo, Ice, Nicki, Cardi B, Bia, Meg, Latto, Rico. Maybe also include Coi and dreamdoll.

Now none of these newer ladies I expect to last beyond a summer or two, but really who are their male counterparts?

Lil Baby and who else?

Again, this isn't about the Drakes, J Coles, Kendricks, I am talking about the folks who are superhot right now and you expect to rule the summer?

BTW, this is not a conversation for old heads. Don't come in here talking about Queen Latifah and MC Lyte.


Tweet that inspired this post.

https://twitter.com/carlchery/status/1649137415473483776



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

because I’m just too old and uninformed to gaf about these young whipper snappers!

Iont even know most of the names on this list, lol.

I would rather argue over different cuts of steaks than shit like this.

old headed like a muhhhfukka

I don't pay attention to numbers I just try to listen what comes out and if I like it cool.

I think what's he's saying is true and that's cool. I think Doja Cat said her next album will be a rap album.


Had some gooood steaks in Columbus. Stuck to ribeyes though.

>I would rather argue over different cuts of steaks than shit
>like this.
>
>old headed like a muhhhfukka

Although I just got a sirloin because I didn't want such a big portion and man was it good. I think this place just makes great stakes. I've only had ribeyes there before but this makes me want to try different cuts there now.

The old head in me also loves the fact that most of these women are absolutely spitting where a ton of new male-driven hip hop feels slightly more in vein with the sorta hybrid sounds of today. It's cool that it's mostly pure hip hop with these women.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Algorithm - https://www.wsj.com/video/series/wsj-explains/spotify-breaks-down-the-mapping-tech-behind-its-algorithm/E91EB935-C3EE-42FF-B41A-246614F8F1A1

Social Media - https://www.businessinsider.com/tiktok-music-distribution-marketing-everything-app-industry-impact-2023-4

Payola - https://medium.com/the-business-of-content/how-artists-illegally-pay-their-way-onto-spotifys-playlists-6b85ce0865c5

An artist can go from squat to global off the right hashtag ... and next thing you know they're seemingly everywhere. There's no real way to define what's hot because it's all a huge manufactured and distorted ecosystem.

A social media site like Youtube, for instance, can ensure a content creator's popularity to placing them on the front page, manipulating suscriber and view counts, etc. They have a type. Tik Tok decides who they show to everybody. They also have a type. People sitting at desks are deciding who's viral and popular now with the push of a button.

people still have to listen over and over and buy tickets to the shows etc

i can see the same ads, content/push etc for everything Lil Baby does and I can't name NOT ONE of his songs. like none. never clicked on any of it on spotify

but I'mma rap Unemployed by Tierra Whack DOWN

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

Tierra Whack is the perfect example to me. She’s a beast on the mic, a visionary in here videos, unique in her styles, extremely versatile and … crickets on the mainstream.

Meanwhile any of these folks that are considered hot right now, men or women … none of them are actually all that great. Some are good, some are good for now, and some are just packaged and processed junk food with a good marketing campaign.

It’s all just filler.

>Tierra Whack is the perfect example to me. She’s a beast on
>the mic, a visionary in here videos, unique in her styles,
>extremely versatile and … crickets on the mainstream.

why do you think that is? who runs/controls the mainstream and how shit gets out there? Men, maybe? Maybe even corporations run by men who don't want to rock w/the way Tierra wants to control/own her own career & content?


>Meanwhile any of these folks that are considered hot right
>now, men or women … none of them are actually all that
>great. Some are good, some are good for now, and some are just
>packaged and processed junk food with a good marketing
>campaign.
>
>It’s all just filler.

right cuz that good marketing campaign is in service of corporate profits. alot of artists don't want to play the game the same way (or at least try their best to limit it), therefore they don't get pushed/seen as much

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

They went into detail about the "how". I was a little surprised to see the scale of the operations but I can't say I was shocked given the history of this sort of thing in the music industry.

R.I.P. to him BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS7WLJB39as&ab_channel=OGVLAD

https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.67534/title.michael-k-williams-probed-streaming-farms-before-he-died

Women are killing but whats crazy is there are only 3 women that broke the top 50 most popular hip hop artists in 2022 (Cardi, Meg & Latto)

stat wise women really aren't taking over (assuming the 2022 numbers are a reflection of what's going on now?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I'm saying women are in the cultural zeitgeist but the numbers done match

I understand people like watching her ass shake, but that doesn't help the sound of her rapping for me.

what's the difference?

fuck outta here w/that bullshit.

Y'all fave literally had a song screaming Fuck Bitches / Get Money!
didn't Luda have hoes in every area code
were 2 Live crew horny or nah?
how many drugs were packaged and shipped in JayZ and Biggie songs LOL
how many people been tortured and murdered on Eminem tracks? LOL

"y'all are unserious people"

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

Local govts are trying to prosecute Black male rappers for their lyrics.
They are not the same.
This isn't remotely debatable.
Stop.

i'll break it down since you seem to struggle to understand what i'm rsponding to

your reply was dismissive of the proliferation of women MCs right now...you completely dismissed everything about their talent & skills by mentioning that T&A is easy to sell

i responded by acknowledging that that no more discounts them than how male rappers have been using sex, guns and drugs to sell their albums for decades

not you want to talk about government prosecution when nothing in this post is about that.

YOU stop.

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

Like I instinctively had a hard time believing it but once I thought about it, it made sense.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

...the entertainment.


Men just don't

don't know what men are doing as far as entertainment is concerned.

>don't know what men are doing as far as entertainment is
>concerned.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

That said, I haven't listened to new rap in the while. Stuff has lost musical value to my ears. I will say tho, despite her weird racial issues, Doja Cat can really spit.

their musicality is better too.

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

Tierra Whack
Doechii
Sampa tha Great
Lil Simz
Lola Brooks

and on and on and on

i'm GAGGED. Like i can barely keep up and its the DREAM as an old school hip hop head.

they are killing the game. it's crazy. I love love love this generation


bigs ups to the legends, of course but these new kids are different.

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

popping coochie music..

Ghost written rhymes, Fake booties, titties, lashes, nails….
influencing young girls to be just like them.

No MCs, just TRASH

This is what passes as hip hop today.

SMH

Lil Simz is nice tho..

>popping coochie music..
>
>Ghost written rhymes, Fake booties, titties, lashes,
>nails….
>influencing young girls to be just like them.
>
>No MCs, just TRASH
>
>This is what passes as hip hop today.
>
>SMH
>
>

In hip-hop ever as well?



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

If mainstream is your gauge then.....dont know what to tell you
I have not seen a drop off from what I like....
went to more shows last year than I had in a long time
got mad merch from projects and artist who dropped
solid rotation of albums I listen to
im satisfied...

I think I am particularly offended because the radio is mostly 90s/2000s remade in an inferiorly.

Like this is for example is all over the radio.

https://youtu.be/FbeFeQycmRg




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Young people gotta step up.

this shit comically bad

Original was bad but these shits go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g3F-c9-580&ab_channel=CoiLeray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcXraTCoUZE&ab_channel=CoiLerayVEVO

It sounds like a kid playing grown-up rapper.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Where I lived it wasn't very good before that either.

So I can't really comment on how the radio now compares to whenever it was good.

Aside from sales this is is a really strong era in rap. The past 5 years have had some great releases.

it’s embarrassing watching some of these old heads force themselves to like these young rappers

to just make music in the lane that they want to make it in. You don’t need a label. You can work with whoever you want and just put it out yourself. There’s so much music out there…..there’s something for everybody.

What’s supposedly “hot” doesn’t matter nearly as much now as it did 20 years ago either - everybody has headphones, YouTube, and/or a streaming service and little reason to know/care what anyone else is listening to. You don’t have to rely on what radio and tv are playing.

which is repetitive AF and not compatible to having a long career or having chart topping hits

I'm liking what the Griselda crew is doing but they're nowhere near topping the charts


Riding around the other day listening to the radio made me shazzam some tracks from Sza and Raye that I was really feeling

Nicki's been around the longest and fell off a few cliffs but still remains relevant if that counts for anything.

Cardi, Msg, etc will always have a fanbase because at the end of the day sex sells. They're hot for how many summers before the masses look at the younger hotter fresher starlet with TnA bars?

How many of these artists own their masters and full control of publishing rights? They're hot now but for how long? When they fall off what do they have to fall back on?

They can "rule the summer" as much as they want but how many of them will be remembered in six years with new releases that are received as well as prior content? Miss me with the white supremacist gender warz bs.

Any disposable male artist with a bubbling song is their competition.

thats a pretty good shelf life

Which she has in alot of ways just by having a great sense of humor. I wonder how many others can do it.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

In fact, I don't think her "hotness" was a major selling point for her (to put it nicely).

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

if you get 2 you can cake up and use it to make a nice chunk of change.

since I found her this morning. THis joint goes.

https://twitter.com/unclewaffffles/status/1644590566649262080


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Garbage

and overall like her than lil simz (who i also like a lot). For those of yall gatin on TNA


Shes most well known for Peng Black Girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqp_fsJlw5A

Here are some other samples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-_MPAk-IyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTodV3mrMe0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUX_jE2pzJk

Just to make a point work

I don’t know them so maybe list some if possible.

On the underground tip, don't sleep on Nappy Nina. Her latest album, Mourning Due is really good. She is genuinely a pretty great artist and lyricist.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nappy+nina+mourning+due


Scar Lip is making big noise with her song This Is New York, but it remains to be seen if she has anything else as compelling. She might be one and done. Who knows...

theyre just basing this off who's being marketed through social media the most


but if i mention little simz, che noir, or rhapsody theyll be confused as fuck

music in general is in a steep decline, and no amount of payola and manipulated streams can hide that these songs dont have any staying power


i say this as someone who thoroughly enjoys ice spice, glorilla, and latto. im excited to see where they go.

but tbh most of these "hot" female rappers are just sampling 2000s petey pablo songs and dropping awful bars, then finessing their 15 minutes into podcasts and brand deals. city girls, cardi, and saweetie come to mind. 5 years since cardi's last album. 3 years since city girls. saweetie never dropped an album. signed to a label since 2018

"lotta yall aint writing well, too concerned with fashion" - eve

I don't think Ive ever heard more than 3 Nicki Manaj songs




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No male is downloading Cardi B or Nikki, or even bumping it in his ride.

Come on, Buddy! - Chappelle

My bad deacon.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>No male is downloading Cardi B or Nikki, or even bumping it
>in his ride.
>
>Come on, Buddy! - Chappelle
>

and I'll bump that shit in the whip lol

Y’all killing me

https://twitter.com/DrinkSolaPop/status/1652716761572159490?t=6H82LU01ZdS1Gv_Qwo6HqA&s=19


Not just the ladies, but a lot of the hip-hop sampled songs sound so trash derivative because it's not a genre switching sample. Biggie rapping over Debarge is one thing, but when you hear someone rap over something biggie rapped over, it's hard for it not to sound like trash in comparison.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Tribe called quest - Bonita Applebum ( remix)
Biggie- Big Poppa
Cube- today was a good day.

They both sampled Isley Brothers songs, used a different beat,
and they all created three completely different songs.


It’s all about the artist and how the artist creates..no matter how many times a record or
sample is used.

It's not about how often one song is sampled. Not the point at all.

In fact, we are kinda saying the same thing is that what matters is how transformative they are from the sampled material.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and all were incredibly dope

sam sample but different feels for all 3.

I am not saying anything about sampling the same song. Of course artist can flip the same sample in 3 to 50 different ways and still be fresh. It just matters how dope and transformative the samples are.

But that's not really what this wave of artists are doing. They are just taking a hip-hop song and making another hip-hop song and just replacing the rapping. That's derivative and lazy. At most it's a remix.

Now when you take an R&B song and make it a hip-hop song, there is a certain amount of transformation built in just by switching genres and going from singing to rapping.

In fact, we also saw a wave of R&B songs based on hip-hop songs that were dope and transformative enough to be interesting.

But the latest wave of radio songs are just, again, taking popular rap songs, and having an inferior rapper rap over them.





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

this isn't something specific to this younger generation of rappers/producers. it's been going on since the at least the 90's where a rap song sampled another rap song.

is Shoop just a remix of Cube's original Check Yourself? Nastradamus used an EMPD beat. Is that just remix too?

this feels like old head talk. not different than our parents complaining about how our music sampled theirs.

trying to stay up on things but then we hear a sample we can’t help ourselves

“THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A BIGGIE SONG”

Imagine telling these young heads their shit is “derivative”

kids” okay boomer”

…

New album is so good.

https://klassybeatrock.bandcamp.com/album/good-seeds

so...not sure i agree, but i also don't disagree.

And yall dismissed it as old man-isms.

https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/hip-hop-no-number-one-albums-singles-charts-reasons-why-1235350404/


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

rappers (that you didn’t want to include in the OP) released albums last year

I don’t think anyone in here argued the new kids had shit on lock now. Most of us said it was trash.. lol.

if anything; its further proof these new rappers (male and female) aint legit stars if they released projects that didnt blow.

I think these younger kids are moreso into youtube views and tik toks.. not actual billboard sales

and who said rap was up this year? besides you in regards to ladies in rap?

It doesn't have anything to do with the girls. If anything they are helping to prop up an otherwise dismal rap scene.

But I made the point here and in other places that hip-hop is in a dismal state these days and it's not just old man complaining, the numbers are objectively down.

And I also stand by Drake or Kendrick can't be the hottest rappers even if they are the biggest. I always associate the hottest rapper as the new face out of nowhere all over the radio and media like Da Baby, Roddy Rich was a few years ago.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

most of the younger rappers are all on that drilling and killing shit, or they can barely rap at all. that turns the "average rap fan" off.

that's not to say they don't have success, but it is to say we're less likely to see rap charting as it has in the past, outside of the established big dogs.

also, promotion is dead. you basically have to get hot on your own as a new artists before you'll get anything, and even then the shit is kinda weird. now, you even get big artists dropping new albums with like 3 days or less notice so the listeners aren't there all at the same time to make a song or album collectively register. people find music at their own speed way more now vs. everyone listening to the same thing all at once.

these are not the only reasons we're seeing this. there's probably a list of 10-20 reasons you could make that all have some validity.

I will admit, I don’t follow the youngins because I aged out but I also think the younger rappers will struggle to chart because these young kids aren’t buying albums like the old heads.

I think it will continue to trend down as far as sales are concerned and only pop when you see big artist who somehow aren’t hot because they aren’t new.

but someone like Promo or Brooklynwhat are a better rep for this because I repeat, my old ass dont even know who Roddy Rich is.. lol.

https://youtu.be/VW_UHYs3giU

This is an old vid but her new project is dope too