There is the more salacious editorialized version of the story you will find in a lot of places like here:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/the-brandon-miller-situation-is-completely-grotesque.html


A more straight forward account can be found here:

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html


What I didn't catch from the first article I read was that the gun that was in Miller's car was actually Mile's gun. For some reason it was in Miller's car.

What I also didn't catch from the first story is that Miles actually directed a third guy to the gun, Lynn Davis, to the gun location and that Davis is the actual shooter.

And the third thing I didn't catch from the initial story is that Cedric Johnson, the victim Jamea Jonae Harris's boyfriend, did indeed have a gun and shot the shooter Davis in the shoulder. So it is possible that Miles is being honest when he initial said he saw a gun on Johnson and was fearful of his life.

I do think these details change my perspective a bit. I am not so sure that Brandon Miller belongs in jail. The only Cavaet to that is there is reporting that his car blocked the victims car from leaving, which if true, would make him an accessory and change my opinion.

But I do think that him being named SEC Player of the Year and the way that a black woman's death is being glossed over and even mocked (Bama fan's wearing “Killing Our Way Through the SEC in ’23” shirts, Miller doing a pat down during his intro) is indeed grotesque.


I think at the very least he should have been suspended for the season for his proximity to this murder.


It's complicated and I think this is all a product of our gun culture and how shootouts are technically still legal in most parts of the South.


I also think if he wasn't a star ballplayer or if his victim was a white woman, he'd be underneath the jail. It's hard to reconcile that.


What do you all think? Should he be in jail or is he a victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time?





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Sports is not your platform….leave it.

It's so wild to me that its a sports discussion.

Like I look on twitter and you have Trump Loving Bama fans sounding like BLM in defense of Miller when you know they would have no shits to give otherwise.

At the same time it's kind of clear some folks just hate Bama Sports as they go hard against Miller.

Weird to see sports cloud this discussion.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

as it relates to crime, other aspects of culture, etc.

check it out sometime, lol.

and, as far as you not knowing people actually go over there (not sure i believe that btw)? it's actually the most active board on OKP.

because he's a star player...
Is that an understood part of this that just isn't being reported? Does the school have THAT much pull with the local PD?


With that said....if I see a gun all out in the open in somebody's whip while i'm dancing up on their woman...then common sense would be to dance up OFF their woman and skate on out of there.... NOT call my boy up to bring the hammer.

In college I was once a part of a like 20 person brawl in the streets. The police came through and arrested EVERYBODY...except university students.

And that's not Bama.

Bama's college sports program is probably the most important thing going on in the entire state.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

when we we got into a fight on the strip and had an Offensive Lineman surrounded after fucking up some white frat boys our Black asses were getting arrested if cops rolled up on us.

Aint no cop giving regular Black college kids a pass unless we getting pistol whipped by some local hoods.

so there's nothing they can charge him with.

and for what it's worth he's been fully cooperative with police.

Like if they wanted to arrest him, they would arrest him for aiding and abetting.

I think there are all sorts of questions of fact that would need to be resolved before determining whether he committed a crime that no one in Alabama is interested in figuring out like:

1. Did Miller know why Miles wanted the gun. More specifically, did he know if he wanted the gun to shoot Johnson?

2. DId Miller actually block Johnson from leaving with his car?

In other words, the cops and prosecutors could have made a case against him if they wanted to, but they didn't want to. And they didn't want to because he is a star athlete and she was a black woman.

Again, not saying I wanted him to be charged, but I don't buy the statement that there wasn't anything they couldn't have done.

Less fortunate brothers get charged for less all the time.






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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>1. Did Miller know why Miles wanted the gun. More
>specifically, did he know if he wanted the gun to shoot
>Johnson? No.

>2. DId Miller actually block Johnson from leaving with his
>car? No.

so, there ya go.

and the team may have even served him up to cops to wash their hands

he’s definitely getting special treatment.

i'm SURE he is.

that doesn't mean that anything he did amounted to aiding and abetting though.

Because they asked him and he said no. That's it. Questions of facts are decided by fact finders (i.e., juries). A zealous prosecutor could easily convince a jury the opposite was true.


Again. If he were not a star athlete, they would have found a way to arrest him.

You do understand brothers out here are getting charged for much less all the time!?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/why-wasnt-brandon-miller-charged-legal-experts-say-it-comes-down-to-intent.html

Your googles didn't answer my question. The most important sentence in what you did share is this:

“Prosecutorial decisions are discretionary with law enforcement and prosecutors,’’ Spina added. “It has been said that criminal law is an ‘island of technicalities in a sea of discretion.’’'

A reporting asking an former US Attorney who had nothing to do with the case who didn't review the investigation, would not settle what I asked.

The only thing that would answer my questions is an actual fulsome investigation.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

- “Based on what we know, the declination by the Tuscaloosa DA is correct and Miller should not be charged,’’ said Jay Town, a former U.S. Attorney and prosecutor in Madison County. “It doesn’t appear evidence exists that Miller knew that transferring the firearm was for an unlawful purpose, hindsight notwithstanding.”

“Therefore, no (conspiracy or aiding and abetting) would apply,’’ Town added. “It doesn’t seem there is a federal theory of prosecution either,’’ under federal laws.

“There’s not much dispute about the fact that the act occurred,” said Tommy Spina, a longtime defense attorney in Birmingham. “From what I know, intent, in this case, on the other hand, would have to be shown by circumstantial evidence.

Asked by AL.com why Miller was not charged, Tuscaloosa chief deputy D.A. Paula Whitley said, “That’s not a question I can answer. There’s nothing we could charge him with,’’ according to the law, she said.

Spina said it seems that Miller wasn’t charged with any crimes because there was not enough evidence to establish that he had a specific intent to participate in a gun fight resulting in a death or that he had any knowledge of what was going on.

“Again, purely discretionary with law enforcement and prosecutors,’ Spina told AL.com, noting that most crimes require the convergence of an act and a state of mind.

“You can’t just run a can opener around someone’s head and look in there and find intent,’’ Spina said. “Apparently, there wasn’t enough evidence to establish that Miller had the specific intent to participate in an act resulting in a death.”
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THUS, if they can't prove that he knew what was going to happen, he can't be charged with aiding and abetting.

But it’s the internet, and everyone feels they know the actuality and legality
of everything based on their feelings.

This line is the greatest line in the history of man:

“You can’t just run a can opener around someone’s head and look in there and find intent“

And that's my bad.

But the most operative words in what you shared are "Based on what we know", "From what I know".

Again, this is a reporter interviewing an attorney who did not work the case. Did not hear grand jury testimony. To get the real answers to these questions it would require a real investigation.

How many times have you seen cops & DAs initial say there is nothing there, then there is a public uproar, and then all of sudden they are able to make a case?

Remember the DA said there wasn't anything to charge anyone with Ahmad Aubrey?


Cops ruled this black man's death natural causes and no evidence of foul paly after finding him decapitated in the woods and he told his momma that there these men chasing him and trying to kill him. Because the cops say there was no case you believe them?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-man-was-found-dead-telling-mother-was-chased-police-said-no-reas-rcna74651

Are you familiar with the expression that grand jury would "indict a ham sandwich"?

Do you you know what I mean when I say it's a question of fact?

Are you always this trustful of cops versions of stories?



>- “Based on what we know, the declination by the Tuscaloosa
>DA is correct and Miller should not be charged,’’ said Jay
>Town, a former U.S. Attorney and prosecutor in Madison County.
>“It doesn’t appear evidence exists that Miller knew that
>transferring the firearm was for an unlawful purpose,
>hindsight notwithstanding.”
>
>“Therefore, no (conspiracy or aiding and abetting) would
>apply,’’ Town added. “It doesn’t seem there is a
>federal theory of prosecution either,’’ under federal
>laws.
>
>“There’s not much dispute about the fact that the act
>occurred,” said Tommy Spina, a longtime defense attorney in
>Birmingham. “From what I know, intent, in this case, on the
>other hand, would have to be shown by circumstantial
>evidence.
>
>Asked by AL.com why Miller was not charged, Tuscaloosa chief
>deputy D.A. Paula Whitley said, “That’s not a question I
>can answer. There’s nothing we could charge him with,’’
>according to the law, she said.
>
>Spina said it seems that Miller wasn’t charged with any
>crimes because there was not enough evidence to establish that
>he had a specific intent to participate in a gun fight
>resulting in a death or that he had any knowledge of what was
>going on.
>
>“Again, purely discretionary with law enforcement and
>prosecutors,’ Spina told AL.com, noting that most crimes
>require the convergence of an act and a state of mind.
>
>“You can’t just run a can opener around someone’s head
>and look in there and find intent,’’ Spina said.
>“Apparently, there wasn’t enough evidence to establish
>that Miller had the specific intent to participate in an act
>resulting in a death.”
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>THUS, if they can't prove that he knew what was going to
>happen, he can't be charged with aiding and abetting.
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Again, this is a reporter interviewing an attorney who did not
>work the case. Did not hear grand jury testimony. To get the
>real answers to these questions it would require a real
>investigation.

it's not just that. the actual DA was like "we got nothing"

>Do you you know what I mean when I say it's a question of
>fact?

yes, and it sounds like those questions have already been answered. otherwise, he'd be in more trouble.

>Are you always this trustful of cops versions of stories?

No, because usually they lie to get people in trouble, not to get people off (unless it's one of their own).

i mean, if you don't buy it you can just say that and that's fine. like if you think everyone is lying to help this star player out that's cool, but usually the authorities don't lie to HELP black people no matter who they are - you know how many star athletes have got done up by the system? of course you do.

I 100% don't buy what cops or DAs have to say on face value period.

I get you thrown off because it's a black man at the center of this but they aren't protecting a black man, they are protecting their own which is Alabama's shot at a national title. I think they might look at it differently if a white woman was killed, but the price was a black woman's life (and I guess not getting the chance to lock a brother up) but that's a price I think they have no problem paying.

But let me be more concrete why you can't trust Alabama Cops & DAs (again, don't know why I got to convince a black person this), the Nytimes just broke that there was a 4th Bama player at the scene.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/15/sports/ncaabasketball/alabama-shooting.html

The cops say that the 4th person in the car was unidentified and couldn't be tracked down. Nytimes found him no problem.

Now, do you take the cops word for it that they couldn't figure out who this person was or do you think it MAY have something to do with that person being a white kid and son of Marshall University’s athletic director?


>
>>Again, this is a reporter interviewing an attorney who did
>not
>>work the case. Did not hear grand jury testimony. To get
>the
>>real answers to these questions it would require a real
>>investigation.
>
>it's not just that. the actual DA was like "we got nothing"
>
>>Do you you know what I mean when I say it's a question of
>>fact?
>
>yes, and it sounds like those questions have already been
>answered. otherwise, he'd be in more trouble.
>
>>Are you always this trustful of cops versions of stories?
>
>No, because usually they lie to get people in trouble, not to
>get people off (unless it's one of their own).
>
>i mean, if you don't buy it you can just say that and that's
>fine. like if you think everyone is lying to help this star
>player out that's cool, but usually the authorities don't lie
>to HELP black people no matter who they are - you know how
>many star athletes have got done up by the system? of course
>you do.
>
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

so, i have no idea what it says. your post here is literally the first time i'm hearing about a 4th player...and some quick googles says the NY Times identification of this person is from the ominous "person familiar w/ the case" (who will of course be unnamed). did the cops talk to "person familiar w/ the case"? i don't know. if they didn't, that might be why THEY hadn't identified this 4th player.

or, maybe they are just lying and did know about them but don't want to tip their hand.

fwiw, journalists OFTEN do much better investigations than the police, sadly. i know you know this cuz you've posted about true crime shit on these boards before.

that being said, in the case of Miller, i believe that he wasn't aiding and abetting a murder under the terms of the law and i don't think the DA and cops are caping for him cuz he plays hoop for Alabama. and if i'm wrong about that? then hey, i was wrong.

wasn’t trying to big myself up.. lol

and i think his ability to focus and ball out with the controversy swirling around him prolly increased his stock with a lot of teams.

can't look at how he's apparently blocked all the non-basketball stuff out and kept balling.

regardless of what you think of the situation, that shows that he has a huge amount of mental toughness and ability to focus.

like he just doesnt think its a big deal and knows that he not gonna get in trouble.

It could go either way.

Especially with the doing the pat down in the pre-game intros.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Easily the most pro-ready, high-upside prospect playing college. I'd draft him behind Wemby and Scoot, but, like, any team in the top 3 of this draft absolutely can't go wrong.

https://patch.com/alabama/tuscaloosa/new-evidence-provides-compelling-account-bama-hoops-murder-case



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Seems like just about everyone involved was hotheaded, stupid, immature, and possibly deceitful. One woman died and another guy got shot for absolutely no reason.

C

is a recipe for disaster.

I think its highly likely the shooter will get off because it looks like he was shot at first. Like I mentioned in the first post, we live in a world where shootouts are still legal.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

once that alcohol starts flowing and an argument starts.