No washcloth

They talking about it

>

I expect some mad people after watching that episode.

peace to devante.

hope he somewhere healthy and well.

more specifically a how do you clean your ass post, that split pretty clearly along racial lines? Lol

had no idea this was coming. Cool.

Oh yeah: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/05/710165800/jury-rules-hart-parents-intentionally-drove-off-cliff-in-fatal-california-crash

and damn (image in article)...https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/29/597905770/boy-from-viral-police-photo-missing-after-fatal-family-car-crash

So many news/viral/meme moments in this episode:

- Black Panther dance on the desk.
- The 3 slaps.
- Devante Harris and his family.
- The story of Lake Lanier

saw that and was like, “…oh”

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then it clicked

>So many news/viral/meme moments in this episode:
>
>- Black Panther dance on the desk.
>- The 3 slaps.
>- Devante Harris and his family.
>- The story of Lake Lanier

Grandpa’s form was effortless.

He been slapping folks for 50 years.

>Grandpa’s form was effortless.
>
>He been slapping folks for 50 years.

That was a viral clip too.

It seems like there really wasn't a whole lot of discussion about it at the time. I didn't get vibes of what was going on until they started packing up the car.

I'm glad they reminded everyone about this. It's not something that should be forgotten.

I understand that everyone on the show has gotten so big that it would be hard to keep the cast together pass this season, I wouldn't mind if the show continued on as an anthology show with stories like this.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Actually, the 4th season is already in the can.

It will begin airing by the end of 2022.

and the hugs.

that shit was heartwrenching b/c i knew the real story. i was kinda mad.

but they re-imagined a happier ending for them kids. and still shone a light on all the underlying issues that really didn't get the exposure they deserved when the tragedy (crime) occurred.


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As the episode went along I kept checking off boxes that were clearly tied to that story haha.

because after she said she had a boyfriend I had the same question.

that “field trip” they went on.. crazy

Paper Boi chilling at the holding cell.. hilarious.

Just masterful writing and pacing

Also, the Hart Murders if you’re interested in the true story:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_family_murders

on their faces was disgusting

it was a disturbingly accurate depiction.

I laughed when she saw the dog under the hat.. now that is some trauma for yo ass. Anything but a dog.. never kill the dog.

who played one half of the married couple from the first episode?

The first episode was unsettling as all hell, but I enjoyed it

The concert promoter legit being fooled by the guy in black face and beating him because he thought it was Earn had me dying

>The concert promoter legit being fooled by the guy in black
>face and beating him because he thought it was Earn had me
>dying

that whole Zwarte Piet shit in general. I just knew AtlantaFX was gonna do something wild with that.

As he obviously saw he was in blackface after initially mistaken him for Ern

>who played one half of the married couple from the first
>episode?
>
>The first episode was unsettling as all hell, but I enjoyed
>it
>
>The concert promoter legit being fooled by the guy in black
>face and beating him because he thought it was Earn had me
>dying

>The concert promoter legit being fooled by the guy in black
>face and beating him because he thought it was Earn had me
>dying


because we all look alike

Getting ice at 4am?

>

Maaaaaaaaaaaaan..IDK. I don’t have any business thinking they wouldn’t write that into this show. I’ve spent this whole show worried that Earn is gonna lose it all by the time it’s over.

You already know I must’ve listened to At the hotel 5x since I heard at the end of the ep. Random 70s shit like that runs my life. I thought about Otis, Doom, and Roc Marco. One of them need to get on the case.

https://youtu.be/5ojgK8PT3SA

>You already know I must’ve listened to At the hotel 5x since
>I heard at the end of the ep. Random 70s shit like that runs
>my life. I thought about Otis, Doom, and Roc Marco. One of
>them need to get on the case.
>
>https://youtu.be/5ojgK8PT3SA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGi7BR6nw94&t=49s

But yeah, I had a similar thought, thinking it should be sampled for a rap record.


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>>You already know I must’ve listened to At the hotel 5x
>since
>>I heard at the end of the ep. Random 70s shit like that runs
>>my life. I thought about Otis, Doom, and Roc Marco. One of
>>them need to get on the case.
>>
>>https://youtu.be/5ojgK8PT3SA
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGi7BR6nw94&t=49s
>
>But yeah, I had a similar thought, thinking it should be
>sampled for a rap record.
>
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

She has zero interest in someone like Darius.

Plus I don’t think having a boyfriend don’t really mean shit these days, especially half way across the world. But that’s just me having heard “I have a boyfriend” a lot and it not meaning shit lol

As I was watching I wondered if that was the first time she was ever alone with him for more than 2 or 3 minutes.

She kills 2 birds with one stone by stating it at that moment.

seriously doubt he was trying to make a play since they have known each other for years.

with the baby daddy

but we know how messy she can be..

Earn too obviously.. lol

add in the drugs and “having a boyfriend” you left to spend time with your ex halfway around the world and umm..

anything goes.

For the record I dont think they smashed but when a woman is trying to “figure things out” anything can happen.

and Darius can't get her pregnant.

****Jim from The Office Shrug face****

Both eps, were quality, but the second was really fucking good. Darius stoned out of his gourd was amazing.

Just to be clear, there’s been a “time jump,” right? They’re not on the same tour with Clark County that the started at the end of the second season? Earn said something the Amsterdam promoter about playing a different spot “last year,” and it seems like Paperboi has a more established following.

The Black Panther 2 mention kinda confirmed this isn't happening right after the Clark County tour

Also Earn is WAY more competent as a Manager than he was previously portrayed

This is not your mama's season 2 Earn.



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https://youtu.be/RcfXAOp1djg

This was the first time I had heard of lake Lanier
https://youtu.be/l3D4hSQcWbk

now that everybody and their mom got a show like the Daily Show

cuz I'd seen her on Drunk History and started looking into more of her stuff.

Just got the joke... LOL!

the night after the episode aired to get that joke as well. I was so busy taking in the drama behind the situation I couldn't get the punchline in the moment.

took me a second to figure it out!!!! LOL

I dont know why but I was laughing so hard at the Funeral scene in Season 2...

something is wrong with me...

took me a second to figure it out!!!! LOL

I dont know why but I was laughing so hard at the Funeral scene in Season 2...

something is wrong with me...

and the way Lequarious said “No”

I can’t shake that first episode..

watched it twice and will watch it again

Not a ton of dialogue. Never know where the story is going. Always beautifully shot. Amazing actors. Dope music.

There are similarities to other FX shows but nothing out there really like it.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and the attention to detail. You really have to be up on it to get some of the references

CornPop
No Washcloths
Free Hugs
Larry

and my wife doesn’t watch religiously but she is familiar with Atlanta. So watching her watch the first 10 minutes of 3 Slaps before asking “what am I watching?”

it was like watching an experiment in real time.

and that's a good comparison/good company to be in.

>and that's a good comparison/good company to be in.

I had a memory of how good it was so I bought the box VHS set 20 years ago. Even then it didn't hold us well.

It was more shoddily shot then I remember, and there was a lot of randomness for randomness' sake. Like things would happen that were never explained, pure non-sequitars.

As random as Atlanta can feel its all very cohesive and adds to the story. The show is kind of becoming this collection of modern black folklore stories and I am here for it.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Is on a Cable network that will let them do pretty much whatever they want and probably has a way bigger budget than the original TP series


If we're talking The Return on Showtimes it's much closer in terms of quality

It never feels like they just mail an episode in and there aren’t many shows ever I can say that about. Mad Men is another one.

they've been gone 4 years and they come back and don't even give us main characters

and pull it off amazingly.

I love it.

Only a handful I can say that about.

I didn’t really know much about Glover’s work before this. He is a treasure.

convo I've seen on TV in a minute.

This episode went in hard on white liberals.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

The concept of the decoy house was pretty interesting. Too bad that was the most interesting part of last night's episode to me. I wonder if any of those characters will make another appearance down the line this season or next. If not, this episode was pretty much a waste of time since nothing new happened to the main characters.

I also hope Van is more than just a pretty girl to look at this season. I have faith she'll get fleshed out a bit since I remember the second season having a Van centered episode that was top tier. I vaguely remember a German type celebration being the center of the episode.

at least that is how I remember it.

1) The weed episode where she lost her job after hanging out with a friend from college.

2) The Black mentor party where her mentors husband was white and all about Africa.

3) The German episode where she showed out.

In my opinion her character is a pretty face who is a bit selfish and hypocritical. I do
find it accurate af tho when it comes to relationships. Funny how Earn has found success while Van is blowing on the wind. Has to fuck with her to see him blow once they broke up.

She was definitely wyling the fuck out at that party and according to Earn hadn't been checking up on Lottie who was staying with her parents.

In the 2nd episode she mentioned how she was having panic attacks

Her making a smooth exit out of the party and ending up in some random take out spot at the end got a laugh out of me.

I think a van picked them up on purpose

but yeah.. she’s spiraling right now.

just by reacting to the fcuked up shit White people do.

Like PaperBoi was straight robbed, and when he reacts to get his money back, he's the crazy person.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

lol

Paperboi had to school Earn on the art of getting over.. lol.

while the scary rapper looms outside lol

never forget.

he's like wtf am i supposed to do here lol

like yea, fuck this

Your hairline is intense

...

no

Like, no, you need to go full Lex Luthor.

They're 3 for 3.

did she keep shoving random people in the pool?

no idea if they knew she left already. I’m sure that’s why Earn called her.

Just seems like she is at a low point and that type of behavior is a representation of where she is in life. She don’t give a fuck about anyone and didn’t care if the person could swim or not.

but it also showed how far from reality they are right now at a party like that.

all this weird shit in Europe with predominantly white cast isn't really doing it for me

...on the cusp of "making it." Lots of touring Europe. Lots of meeting shady/weird MFers like Will, Socks, and Fernando. And figuring out ways to get money out of them.

shit was trash but that college money was nice af.

Talk about some strange ass after party’s.. lol. Partying one minute and fighting your way out the house the next..

(which i thought was interesting, not sure what you meant though u didnt expound on it)

i think theres to it than just her bein depressed.

she raising a kid by herself while the father out living it up overseas. Doin all the right things and just lost out on a job she was prolly qualified for. meanwhile earn a dropout but just came up on a bigger bag by scamming some white dude lol.

i see her behavior this episode as kinda mirroring earns, and its interesting to me that we view her as spiraling.

- taco bell do got pepsi lol
- caught a lil ahmad jamal and billy evans action
- van living the life earn living?

we talked about Earn fucking up and making bad decisions.

but Van was always judging and chasing after that shitty Jack and Jill type life.

so when she lost her job due to smoking weed even Al called her out on some “ooohhh bjt weed is BAD” imitating her voice.

I can totally relate because I used to date a Van. Fine as hell but always trying to get a nigga to adult and get a boring ass 9 to 5 and stop chasing dreams. After we broke up my shit started popping and she was running insurance scams to try to pay her rent and she had to move back home with her mom.

so I use the word spiraling for Van because more than likely she is comparing her life choices to Earns. Also stings when she prolly graduated college and Earn dropped out.

i didnt see it as competing but i think she def feels a way about him being away and living that life. you got a bit of the role reversal when earn saw her walking into her room on the last ep. she didnt care how it may have looked. kinda parallels earn shrugging off waking up next to a random in the first ep.

hm i dont remember her wanting the jack and jill life. i thought she was off that after that ep in the mansion with the interracial couple. have to go back.

>I can totally relate because I used to date a Van. Fine as
>hell but always trying to get a nigga to adult and get a
>boring ass 9 to 5 and stop chasing dreams. After we broke up
>my shit started popping and she was running insurance scams to
>try to pay her rent and she had to move back home with her
>mom.

ha cold game

I know she chilled AFTER that party but up to that point she wanted that life.

and yeah.. Earn is doing his thing and she is free to do her thing as well but usually you don’t fly halfway across the country on the Ex’s dime to do it

but we also know Earn “owes” her for when she held shit down.

the fuck

of course its prolly a joke while touring as well

but I specifically remember his stand up about white girls getting drunk and snatching hats. Like its the first thing they do when they see a Black guy with a hat is game-plan how to snatch it.

It's mad shit to talk about that happened in this ep beyond his summary but I'm amped and I don't know where to begin

I knew he was going to kill himself after he went out to the pool

another example of how white folks would rather die than live in a world where they have to give up a little bit of power.

Brad: “I’m hungarian and austrians were enslaved..”

coworker: “that was like, a million years ago”

I fell the fuck out

Once he said the curse was lifted after white folks started acknowledging the effects of slavery I thought he was gonna ride off in the sunset.

And the juxtaposition between this episode and last episode. We just was hanging with billionaires. Fernando was siiiick when he lost 20k to Paperboi.

And here we are the next episode watching white folks melt the fuck down lol

when he said “and now your wife will have to raise her kid by herself.. just like we did to their women”

and it also was another example of white folks choosing death over taking responsibility just like the white women in 3 slaps

“Now we’re free from the lie!”

but the hotel worker saying “theres more where that came from” or whatever he said makes me believe this whole season will have episodes where we see white folks choose death over a better world for Black folk.

Shit is real

>Brad: “I’m hungarian and austrians were enslaved..”
>
>coworker: “that was like, a million years ago”

requirements (and I won't bamma up this post with that discussion lol).

Being able to sue individuals for it

from back then

*this being seasons 3 and 4

how much freedom FX gave the show runners.

What a masterclass episode. So many hilarious moments.

DONT SLAM MY DOOR!!!

Man.. so many quotables

all a sudden everyone is running back to their roo rooo rooo rooo rooo roots!!!

the dude requested in the beginning of the episode was the chef's kiss to me.

and I rewatched with my wife (who is no longer Black according to SV) lol.

and we peeped how his wife had her neck covered up and dark colors on when the day before she had a white shirt with all that pale neck skin exposed.

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and said “we need to talk now” with the finger pointing down the hand emoji was black lol

shit brought me back to when I was a kid.

was what the black dude in the coffee shop was saying while that Radiolab podcast was going on. The dialog unfortunately had that Peanuts grown up voice effect since the POV was from the main character.

and I’m not sure if she said “go to the back” or “to the back of the line”

either way it was a nice foreshadowing of what was about to go down.

Once he was in the car, had no problem eating it.

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because he could care less what the black guy was saying...


loved that part.

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>
>DONT SLAM MY DOOR!!!

>RE: Peruvian? You were white yesterday!!!

be Darius' dream similar to how the first episode was Earn's Dream
(The next episode might still have it end up being connected to the main characters in some way)

I know I mentioned Twin Peaks earlier, but another way this episode reminded me of that show was the use of sound as part of the storytelling

The kind of muffled effect at the begining of this episode while dude was in the coffee shop was similar to the sound decsribed by the Boat Man (who was also apparently the guy in the bar tonight!)

Edit:Just realized that the guy from the Boat being in this probably means this was another one of Earn's Dreams

that would be dope.

What a wonderful music drop.

Oh, and the Rotary Connection (or was that Minnie Riperton solo stuff?)

Either way, fantastic episode.

.

How are you going to have 2 out of the 4 episodes so far feature none of the Atlanta cast?

I'm all for creative freedom. And I mean, I didn't hate those two episodes. But it's not what I signed up for.

I hope they do it every other episode.

But in the best way possible. I love it. He obviously has some topics he wants to speak on and instead of trying to force them into some story about a rapper he's just telling them the way he wants to.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

you talking like you paid for the production lol

plus you gonna watch every episode anyway LOL

d

but it is hard watching the show and waiting for the cast to show up.

I like the idea above that this is the various cast members dreams. Would have been a dope darius dream.

I also would have loved if the through line character wasn't that white guy but maybe an Uncle Remus type old black man.

That being said, that was a dope twilight zone/ black black mirror episode.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i'd say by a decent margin. even though I've thoroughly enjoyed every ep this season.

i think if there weren't another season right behind this one, i'd be more antsy about it though

"Mister Pedro"

"this concerns all of us, Willy!"


so many little gems in this ep lol

dude asking his black co-worker for advice... then when he didn't like his answer going back to the white co-workers, like what do i do?

Glover having a good time with white liberal types this season

looks just as silly acted out as it does hearing Claud explain it

when & how is restitution proper in your eyes?

claud anderson foolish? word?

im all for us getting whats owed to us, but we arent even close to being able to discuss redistribution of wealth

also, any plan that requires us to get together FIRST, is dead before we even start

our culture have been pushing getting together first since the late 60’s, we need new ideas with unconventional thought

we need a plan thats self sustaining, a plan that feeds itself
a plan that doesnt require donations or help from the government

before you ask, yes i have such plan
will i post it here?
nope.

Not sure why you are bringing my wife into this but she is 100% Black.

you keep bringing up Subaru’s and now you think my wife isn’t Black??? yeahhhhh

All this time you thought I had an Asian wife and a Subaru.. lmao.

does your wife know you’re on OKP lying about her race?

I’ll check again when I get home

but this doesn’t make you any Blacker my dude.

and if my wife somehow woke up something other than Black I would still be Black af

“She was peruvian yesterday?”… lol

Like the comedy of the episode to me is the idea that White People are just going to go along with it. Wear shirts saying they were slave owners. Give up their homes. Have their pay docked.

The absurdist humor is the idea they aren't going to push back and fight like hell with everything they have to make sure that ish doesn't happen.

I was a bit uncomfortable watching it because I was thinking, man this feels like a scared straight show for white surpremecist. I could see the Alt-right getting into this show as an example of what black people want to do to white people. It was like the reverse Get Out.

It got the biggest laugh of the episode out of me, but it seemed like a white nightmare is coming home and seeing a black BBQ going in their house.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>It got the biggest laugh of the episode out of me, but it
>seemed like a white nightmare is coming home and seeing a
>black BBQ going in their house.

I laughed hard at that and to a lesser extent, the dude having to wear the t-shirt twice a week (manditory on Sunday).

especially when she followed with “he got off easy”

but yes, this shit aint happening for obvious reasons.

The part I bought into the most is the 'ignore it all at first because there's no way that's going to happen TO ME' part. A big chunk of Murrica JUST DID (something like) THIS with COVID from fall 2019 to late February 2020. Then, March 2020 hit and it was on (or off).

You're right for sure..the fight back would be ridiculous. I'm thinking it would be people showing up to black people's houses with the violence.

>Like the comedy of the episode to me is the idea that White
>People are just going to go along with it. Wear shirts saying
>they were slave owners. Give up their homes. Have their pay
>docked.
>
>The absurdist humor is the idea they aren't going to push back
>and fight like hell with everything they have to make sure
>that ish doesn't happen.
>
>I was a bit uncomfortable watching it because I was thinking,
>man this feels like a scared straight show for white
>surpremecist. I could see the Alt-right getting into this show
>as an example of what black people want to do to white people.
> It was like the reverse Get Out.
>
>It got the biggest laugh of the episode out of me, but it
>seemed like a white nightmare is coming home and seeing a
>black BBQ going in their house.
>
>
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I think its more of white folks thinking its been so long how could they actually connect us to slavery.

Its the old “I never owned slaves” response.

What I liked about it was the shame. Like “eww, Brad’s family had slaves.. that’s so racist”

What I didn’t get was the “100% Nordic? How can that be!!??” was she mad because she thought she was something else?

COVID: folks denying and ignoring basic science behind how COVID spreads in terms of not wanting to mask up and/or get vaccinated.

Reparations: folks denying and ignoring basic history in terms of no fiscal retribution behind the years of unlawful treatment behind slavery, post slavery Jim Crow discrimination, and current lack of an even playing field in many aspects of society between black and white folk in the US because of lack of said retributions.

at least even a little.
people are like 4% north african or 11% south asian, .04% native american, etc...

but she came back pure aryan a the worst possible time.


>What I didn’t get was the “100% Nordic? How can that
>be!!??” was she mad because she thought she was something
>else?
>
>

no it doesn’t Ashley..

known for being slave-owners right? mostly immigrant to the midwest and mostly after the civil war. That's what threw me off.

I did find it funny that people didn't want to be white anymore. Now old girl is Peruvian. LOL.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

so..

that’s what fucks me up.

American history was “so long ago” but they will go back to 200 BC to claim their trauma.

just in case it ever came up

only to sad trombone flop

we definitely deserve a come up but after all is said and done what's stopping us from being the new white people? It is America after all. Maybe we deserve to be the new white people for a bit. I won't say that out loud just in case we do get reparations.

Seeing them girls drinking champagne and eating charcuterie in that $6 million dollar mansion on the anniversary of George Floyd's death fucked me up. I feel like America is still gonna need niggas like them to run the country.

>we definitely deserve a come up but after all is said and
>done what's stopping us from being the new white people? It is
>America after all. Maybe we deserve to be the new white people
>for a bit. I won't say that out loud just in case we do get
>reparations.
>
>Seeing them girls drinking champagne and eating charcuterie in
>that $6 million dollar mansion on the anniversary of George
>Floyd's death fucked me up. I feel like America is still gonna
>need niggas like them to run the country.

we ain't getting reparations by NOT talking about it...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/18/evanston-illinois-reparations-plan-cautionary-tale

because white supremacy has so effectively fractured Black unity, there is no perfect solution, nor could there ever be. kidnapping, holocaust, labor, sexual, mental exploitation cannot be effectively quantified. however, that is never a good enough reason to do nothing. a nuanced approach will be most effective. for example, i've made it to a decent enough standard of living that i don't need support to obtain housing, employment, transportation. BUT I went into significant debt for education, so perhaps in my case, my loans are zeroed out and/or mortgage balance reduced. that's actually more of a cost neutral solution since these lenders have done got their money times over from interest alone. other folks may need a car, apartment/house, starter investment account, etc.

if the objective is to get folks as financially independent as possible, there is no cookie cutter approach. nevermind the fact that many Black people who've reached a certain level will (hopefully) opt out.

a national/local hybrid solution is probably the best, since many localities may not even have a meaningful number of Black residents, but often have a history of chasing them out or killing them off. A relocation/settlement plan would be appropriate in many circumstances.


despite the unsurprising but predictable knee jerk reaction of white tears, it is a conversation that incorporates economics, social science, financial analysis, education policy, ALL that shit. and without feelings (which are very valid but folks use to deflect).

I mean the medicine that "Payback" gave was that no matter what, the motherfucker was ALRIGHT. he had to work harder for (probably) less, but he wasn't on section 8/evicted/homeless. it was subtle seasoning/conditioning, and great seed planting. hell, can't no one on earth convince me that Dennis Haybert's David Palmer didn't project imagery that made Obama possible.

>

get all that money.. fuck them

>get all that money.. fuck them

I don’t see why anybody me would opt out tho. You really think opting out will help other people get their money?

Get that money and donate it somewhere but fuck letting them off the hook.

is trash now lol

I feel like Donald Glover should've ended Atlanta and created another show if he wanted to do all this weird European shit

plus the huge departure in terms of storylines will throw a lot of people off for sure.

This parallels The Love Movement album from Tribe to me in that regard. I did like that prior reparations episode a ton, so I suppose I hold this season in higher regard than I do that album.

**edit**

And yet another episode were Van was treated pretty much as a thrown away character. I'm assuming there will be an episode devoted totally to Van and involving none of the male characters that will show her random day to day affairs.

but I’m still entertained.

Trash isn’t the word I would use.

This ep was whatever but stop lol

yea i liked the chi too but that’s a strong take.

Atlanta was already a pretty weird/surreal show to begin with and this Season has been even more left field than usual

I appreciate Weirdo shit

in my opinion, still in the Atlanta universe...if that makes sense.

I think that's why I love this season so much.

but you wont

you gonna hate watch every episode LOL

enjoy,
d

I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

Dude might be an even bigger liability

Hilarious episode , that weird little (Ghost?) Kid was on that Verbal Kent shit

i was foolishly trying to reason, why they would even bring him but forgot what show i'm watching lol.

Tracy was extra in protecting Paperboy but Socks is on some sadistic werido shit.

I’m enjoying the season, but….cmon.

Tracy was hilarious, and was there for a reason.

An allegory about white guilt, sort of, mostly?


Felt more like a lot of movies the Glovers liked shot through a Black lens than an episode of the show.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Went back and saw the phone on the table before they joked him over his offer to go to the club.

but could simply be an example of how white people act on tour.

ionno.. lol

.

i have no idea where its going, if its going anywhere at all, yet i just enjoy watching it. this wasnt the best episode of the season but i still enjoyed it. im confused about a few things but i dont know that an answer is needed lol

and Socks going full cancel mode over that asian girl's comments to Darius

like they went to the OG source to get the birth of all this racism in America

We see him struggling with this life he built in some key ways...

at one point, he tries to connect w/Earn, his cousin..his friend, but he realizes that he can't...at least not like before. it shines a spotlight on how when you "come up" and all the jobs around you are filled by the people closest to you, the "job" becomes bigger than you expected it to be in that person's life. Earn was almost fired for being a shitty manager so now he is now a competent and skilled artist manager, which means its damn near all consuming. Earn's anticipating of his needs/wants really drove this home for Alfred.

then later, he dismisses everyone from the room cuz he only felt safe to share his most vulnerable self with someone who wasn't them...he found the words that he can't any other time, with Earn and Darius...and we found out that he's struggling...that he don't feel the same about rapping..that he feels its too late to do anything else...that he's trapped, essentially.

Brian Tyree Henry is at the top of his game as an actor. every single thing i see him in, he's excellent...even his little small part in If Beale Street Could Talk

anyway, this episode was pivotal and I think Paper Boi is gonna quit the tour.


d


I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

..the show's doing a great job of showing the evolution of the cast (individually and as a whole).






*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

and he was just putting out fires and on top of everything which kind of made Paper Boi realize he can’t have that intimate convo like he used to have..

and Darius is just… Darius.

and that is the crazy thing an out fame and being a music artist. Performing the same songs.. every night gets old real quick. So does having everyone kiss your ass and do everything for you. Its easy to lose yourself.

>We see him struggling with this life he built in some key
>ways...
>
>at one point, he tries to connect w/Earn, his cousin..his
>friend, but he realizes that he can't...at least not like
>before. it shines a spotlight on how when you "come up" and
>all the jobs around you are filled by the people closest to
>you, the "job" becomes bigger than you expected it to be in
>that person's life. Earn was almost fired for being a shitty
>manager so now he is now a competent and skilled artist
>manager, which means its damn near all consuming. Earn's
>anticipating of his needs/wants really drove this home for
>Alfred.
>
>then later, he dismisses everyone from the room cuz he only
>felt safe to share his most vulnerable self with someone who
>wasn't them...he found the words that he can't any other time,
>with Earn and Darius...and we found out that he's
>struggling...that he don't feel the same about rapping..that
>he feels its too late to do anything else...that he's trapped,
>essentially.
>
>Brian Tyree Henry is at the top of his game as an actor. every
>single thing i see him in, he's excellent...even his little
>small part in If Beale Street Could Talk
>
>anyway, this episode was pivotal and I think Paper Boi is
>gonna quit the tour.
>
>
>d
>
>
>I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is
>short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and
>we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what
>somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth -
>C. Adichie

Paper Boi has been the absolute most street smart dude of the show and its a lot off character that he and the rest would be so trusting and allow that Socks dude into the crew. I was watching the ep from the beginning and was like, I hope this dude isn't a regular for the rest of the season.

BTW, I was hoping that they wouldn't let him on the bus at the end (wouldn't it have been a win for the team if they snatched the phone from him and closed the door before he got on?!?)

My only other complaint is I wish they gave Darius more than that one note but otherwise, I enjoyed the episode. Especially the performance of BTH. Dude so rarely gets to talk about himself and how he feels. It's usually sighs and frowns from him but dude put in an Emmy performance last night.

The kid playing the song was the weirdness that only this show is delivering and separates it from the others.

I am assuming is too busy with other projects because her presence is missed. I think how they are handling Van and how this episode was all one location shows that they are trying to be creative about actors not being around and they are mostly doing it well.


RIck and Morty Fans: Didn't Socks appearance as part of the gang feel like Total Rickall?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

or do you mean the PaperBoi that got mugged by 3 teenagers then got lost in the woods?

d


I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

did socks have the phone the whole time?
or did socks get the phone from the nephew?

there's just gonna be stuff on Atlanta that makes no logical sense. Like bringing Socks along to begin with

d

I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

Which was in his song too. I think if you right a song about an ex name rose, you probably going to mention thorns.

I forgot the other lyric he quoted.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

He wasn't rhyming stuff that was on the phone.
This was unreleased stuff floating out there.
At least that's how I interpreted it.

but this was my favorite episode with the regular cast this season

the reason they were in hot water, or was that part of their current line?

did Van steal the wig? Fuck that karen either way... but did she?

The gentrifying fusion truck was infuriating lol

this episode was so cringe, and petty great.

they got no Black American friends, obv, so they didn't see how wrong that shit was.

>the reason they were in hot water, or was that part of their
>current line?
>
>did Van steal the wig? Fuck that karen either way... but did
>she?

seems like she mighta. she been wilding all season. pushing random white ppl in the water.

>
>The gentrifying fusion truck was infuriating lol

fists was balled up on that shit. darius' reaction was dope. that was so messed up.

homegirl asked him what 'naija' meant. and then couple days later slapped that shit in front of 'bowl' and it was a wrap.


>this episode was so cringe, and petty great.

it really was a great episode. and was khalil supposed to be deray? OH SHIT. that means the ni&&a who kept saying he was black and everyone was like... that's posedta be talcum x?

they really really wild for that.

that shit was great. especially with the timing. shots fired.


peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

>>The gentrifying fusion truck was infuriating lol
>
>fists was balled up on that shit. darius' reaction was dope.
>that was so messed up.

after all the dialog about Darius'roots...the white chick is like I named a dish the Georgia something or other, because "that's where you're from". that mother fucker lol.

because he's from Georgia

which was... dude, what?

White bish: ionno.. but try this

its how they do

?

and not one of us.. lol

smh

The Nigerian lady who sells her food.

Cryin!! Lmao!

And it showed. Ep just felt different. Way more on the nose.

Weird how they compacted stories that would happen over a period of time into one day.

Man they have been coming hard at the blactivist.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

was that DeRay? Was that Talcum X?

I'm not even sure how you'd make that connection other than the word park.
It's whatever white company clothing or otherwise that keeps making these stupid ass racial "mistakes." Gucci and their blackface sweater, Gap and their cutest monkey shit.

It ain't got shit to do with a black owned company like Ivy Park.

scary how that felt like a real ad campaign too


My favorite part of the episode was Darius

The amount of pain he felt when he saw the restaurant was closed was a new side of him.
The restaurant scene made his nigerian roots real to the viewer, something that always seemed light hearted before. Daruis' connection is already exposed as weak in the resturaunt. To see the restaurant shut down was like severing this connection. Darius hold few things truly dear. Things to him are fleeting and unreal. His nigerian roots are the only thing that grounds him, his anchor. And this white lady physically and emotionally gutted it.


Also, it hit close hearing him call the restaurant lady "Auntie." Because that's what we do in my own culture with women who aint family, but are familiar

The last week episode had me wanting to see more from him than just on another one of his adventures.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i didn't catch it until the second time lol

I’m curious to see what her whole deal is. I can’t tell if she’s okay or not.

I can't put my finger on why not (and it probably hasn't been revealed yet) but yeah nah. I forget what age these characters are, but she strikes me as one of those people in their early 30's who grew up super smart and had a lot of promise, then realized life isn't going the way they thought it would and is having a hard time grasping their present reality

but I also can see her throwing everything back at Earn that he is throwing at her.

Feels like one of those “you aint around the kid so why you asking me why I aint around the kid”

She is having one of those “I did everything right and I’m broke af and these niggas dropped out of school and making crazy bank”

I’m trying not to laugh at work but that clip has me rolling

They cooked A LOT of shit in these 30 mins. High efficiency cooking.

https://twitter.com/photoriphy/status/1518717083420442625?t=X00r9lKXPRKSbVxgXYa1iA&s=19
**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

was it Nappy Cuts?

The Chet Hayes dude was a wild touch.

just leave them on the hood.

whaaat?

lil man been at Trini Church catching all the holy ghost.

“I’m from Tribeca” had me rolling

>just leave them on the hood.

They had a convo in the truck on the way home. I'm assuming it was theirs.

Did the eye colors switch from Sylvia to the kodnin the last picture? That's what it looked like to me.

Really good EP despite not having the regular cast members

This one didn't feel like the rest of the dream episodes

That cameo was so damned unexpected

The last few haven't hit as hard as the early ones but they have still been really good.

I didn't even know who that dude was. I had to look it up after I saw you guys mention a cameo. Reading up on it kind of switches the perspective on the episode a bit lol

or something

first skipable one of the season imo

That said, it truly is surprising how often this season is staying away from the main cast AND telling (universal) white stories through a Black lens


Especially now that the cast are all big timers, it's hard not to want as much of them doing the thing they do on this show as much as we can get it. Brian Tyree Henry especially. His Paperboi is such a fun TV character.


But I do really enjoy how slow the joke burns on episodes like this too. It just feels like we're losing time with those people.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

it was cool but it was always just that companion show i'd watch after GoT or whatever was running at the time lol

But I'll randomly think about it when friends are over for after hours and it's really, really good background TV. And weirdly capable of making people shut up for five minutes and just lock in on a scene at random


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

on cultural divides
or the connection between Bash and Sylvia vs Bash and his parents.
they seemed to not view Sylvia as fully fleshed person, even though she's essentially doing *their* job.
only getting to know things about her through tragedy, and her funeral. and in a sense getting to know their own son. The way Bash hit all the church queues was such a great touch.
Also the sacrifice of Sylvia's own family to raise these white kids, including Chet Hanks, who is basically future Bash if she doesn't die.

i thought there were some cool things, but I just don't think it was good enough to justify pulling us away from the main group again. i didn't really feel that with the other 2 short story episodes

Not all this other weird shit, but I guess he thought those characters weren’t enough to carry the show

>but I guess he thought those
>characters weren’t enough to carry the show

stand-alone short stories is clearly something he wants to explore, so instead of going doing something separate he's trying to incorporate it in.
i admire the ambition, but it doesn't always work. the first 2 felt worth it. this one not as much. especially after the momentum of 2 main character episodes i a row.

>i thought there were some cool things, but I just don't think
>it was good enough to justify pulling us away from the main
>group again. i didn't really feel that with the other 2 short
>story episodes

I didn't have the words, but after watching it, I asked myself "that was deep, but was it good?" And I don't think it wasn't good, just not good enough to get away from the main characters

The show has been dealing with the problem of all the Actors are now big time movie stars and aren't available to shoot. That's why they ending the show.

I liked how they dealt with the problem with the black kid and the white parents. That was still "Atlanta" themed.

But an episode about a white family in NY who had Trini nanny is just a story about white people and isn't even remotely Atlanta related.

Like someone else said, it's just an episode of High Maintenance. And I like High Maintenance but I really turn on Atlanta to watch black people (specifically the cast of the show).




>>i thought there were some cool things, but I just don't
>think
>>it was good enough to justify pulling us away from the main
>>group again. i didn't really feel that with the other 2
>short
>>story episodes
>
>I didn't have the words, but after watching it, I asked myself
>"that was deep, but was it good?" And I don't think it wasn't
>good, just not good enough to get away from the main
>characters


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

at least it was to me..

The funeral was black af. You had the celebration, the remembrance and the fighting..

Raising white kids while missing out on our own kids lives. Reminded
me of my grandmother when she passed.

She was a maid and the white fam showed up all “we loved your grandmother” and most of us were like “who the fuck are you?” because that was just her work family.

the smirk tho? Was that a gotcha moment? Did she have the wife’s shit on? Won’t lie, I wasn’t that into all the details because overall it wasn’t a strong story for me.

would love for him to have a new show where these stories happen every week but maybe people passed on his pitch so he said fuck it.. lets use them now since everyone is so busy.

"We can't be the only ones, right?"

It was told from the perspective of a White Family.

We really don't need Atlanta to tell stories from the perspective of white people.

Heck we definitely need more shows about White New Yorkers.


Part of the specialness of this show was it's Atlanta-ness. I think its far more interesting to see even Atlanta folks in Europe then seeing another show about a white couple in New York dealing with crazy immigrants (a la Seinfeld).


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

its a literal "Black mirror" being held up to them so they can see themselves

every single episode, including the ones w/the main cast, have done this in some way.

This IS the vision for this season.

d


I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

Young white men are raised on Black culture while white adults fail to recognize or relate to that connection. Ending the episode with Sylvia smirking at dad felt like a sort of "gotcha" shot.


And I mean heavy handed in the sense that it didn't work, really, even though I liked the episode as a whole separated from the "where's the Atlanta cast?" conversation. Dad looking down the hallway like he saw a ghost when it's just the woman who raised his kid. Atlanta might not always be subtle but I feel like it's usually not so eager to show the trick it's trying to pull either.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

I wonder who the intended audience is for episodes like this

This was some trash.
If they didn't have time to get the cast together to film, they should have just cancelled the show.

I feel you but I will watch to see where they go with these short stories

I love seeing white folk uncomfortable around Black folk so its still enjoyable to me.

Really hope Season 4 is all main cast episodes.

Glover is cursed with starring in shows where the cast becomes too big for the show. I hope Atlanta becomes a free-form show where they can continue the main plot on-and-off like Rick and Morty.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

..you just don't wanna admit it.

Asshole! LOL.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

jk

i didnt notice what it was either and forgot about it until this post

But I like the offshoot episodes better than the main plot right now.

The main show feels stagnant. I'm not feeling this Europe shit AT ALL.

The show is called ATLANTA. I'd like to see them back in their element.

The offshoots at least are interesting and honestly I'd watch this as a show on it's own.

i dont dislike the main plot episodes but i do prefer the offshoot ones overall. i do agree about being over the europe stuff. it was cool for one or two episodes but im ready to see them go back to atlanta or somewhere else.

to me the actual career arc was never why i watched the show. well maybe before i saw the first episode. the experiences they went through was what kept me watching. i think there is a limit to what they can experience so opening the show up to more characters allows them to explore other scenarios and topics.

maybe they were forced to do this because the availability of the main cast but i think they have made some really good lemonade out of it if that's the case.

White Fashion was the best Europe episode
Trini 2 de Bone was the worst off shoot ep

>The show is called ATLANTA. I'd like to see them back in
>their element.

This show fell off

the follow up to that Woods Episode with Al being harassed by a group of young "fans" and having a talk about business with one off female character.

Also having just recently finding out about the group Sterolab I marked out at hearing them name dropped/played

The glitching at the end felt like more David Lynch tribute shit.

I'm starting to think a lot of this show will end up being a dream. Not sure I want that.

Big house parties, weird drugs, fans chasing them down, shows that don't work out quite right


They're trying to tell stories about keeping your knowledge of self being a fish out of water, outgrowing the places that made you and make you comfortable (or not recognizing that you've built comfortable places for others that you aren't comfortable in once you recognize what it is)


Like I said in another post, I still think it's really dope TV from writing to acting to directing, all over, but it feels like they're dropping a hammer with this season and I get why it's divisive 'cause it's not very coherent and it feels more like your average extremely good TV show - not ATLANTA. Like, Paperboi isn't stupid enough he's never heard the "who owns your masters" conversations. That's been out in the open since 1993 and the Atlanta mixtape scene took it nuclear!


The show's gotten more broad in content but I think the season has a pretty specific message and it's trying to parallel situations from the first two, putting different characters in old situations and pointing out how you can play at comfortable but you can find yourself a long way from home trying to succeed.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

a big shrooms/acid(whatever was in the cookies) trip by Al and most of it never actually happened

The guy at the store questioned if he was ready lol

At the beginning of the ep Al saw someone with the Goofy hat on sitting in a doorway passing out with the same blanket he would be wrapped in at the end of the episode.

I think Lorraine was all in his imagination too as was intimated at the end of the episode that Lorraine was his mother’s name, the conversation about his masters, other stuff…

Then you had the young hooligans chasing him earlier then grabbed the baby out of the stroller and started tossing it back and forth was hilarious…

Then he walked in on what was apparently an acting audition…

Him meeting Liam Neeson and their conversation…

Their drinks in the bar being bought by someone in a spotted dog costume lol

That internal struggle would definitely build off the fundraising efforts from the designer clothes episode.


Either way, I really feel like it's the setting and the obviousness of each episode having some kind of message that makes this season feel so different, even if the writing, situations and characters are right in line with what came before.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

>a big shrooms/acid(whatever was in the cookies) trip by Al
>and most of it never actually happened
>
>The guy at the store questioned if he was ready lol
>
>At the beginning of the ep Al saw someone with the Goofy hat
>on sitting in a doorway passing out with the same blanket he
>would be wrapped in at the end of the episode.

foreshadowing like a mug with the “Al, don’t be that guy” warning from Darius
>
>I think Lorraine was all in his imagination too as was
>intimated at the end of the episode that Lorraine was his
>mother’s name, the conversation about his masters, other
>stuff…

definitely part of his trip. This was Al having concerns about his friends and family not telling him what he needs to gear and fears of being used.
>
>Then you had the young hooligans chasing him earlier then
>grabbed the baby out of the stroller and started tossing it
>back and forth was hilarious…

that was crazy

>
>Then he walked in on what was apparently an acting
>audition…
>
that was an art installation. Performance art that is wack but somehow gets funding

>Him meeting Liam Neeson and their conversation…

Yeah.. this was wild. Cancel Club. Basically saying cancelling doesn’t work and you aren’t changing anyone’s mind by “cancelling them” They just ride it out for a few months or a year and go right back to being more of what they already are..

I was a but confused about New Jazz but that could be what they call rap in the UK. Its the “new jazz”

I wonder what she meant by saving his life because they were going to make him perform? Maybe it was his fear of being cancelled by performing for the wrong audience overseas? Black face show?

>Their drinks in the bar being bought by someone in a spotted
>dog costume lol
>
No idea.

I could be reaching

damn.. been bumping that cut since college.

Dots and Loops is my fav album.

I was mad they stopped before the chorus for a dead rat but I did laugh.. lol

Enjoy!!!

till I heard Noise of Carpet on the radio and immediately flipped my shit

maybe she has strong features but I got that vibe, lol

And Al knew it. Thats why he was reluctant, mad when people assumed they were fucking, and mad she was touching him at the end.

I feel like only transwomen act that ...girly.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>maybe she has strong features but I got that vibe, lol

I kinda thought so when her voice switched up at the end before Al started "Melting"

But so is Teyana Taylor’s.

So I hit up her IG to see how she give it up on the gram.

Then I hit up her IMDb.

Technology man I swear

>But so is Teyana Taylor’s.

I definitely don’t see that

I've rarely felt like I related more to an art director than whoever it was turned her into a big cat at the end of the Fade video. From a lot of angles Teyana either very much is or very much is not my type, but she's always got that predator energy


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Teyana Taylor has never looked not feminine to me

and pulled up with this face: https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/e676730/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4686x2460+0+354/resize/1200x630!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F4d%2Fd8%2F3c95208a44c2956aaaff69ba5aac%2Fteyana-taylor-portrait-session-36695.jpg

ionno, features are strong. But models and pretty women sometimes have strong features that make you go hmmm..

>and pulled up with this face:
>https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/e676730/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4686x2460+0+354/resize/1200x630!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F4d%2Fd8%2F3c95208a44c2956aaaff69ba5aac%2Fteyana-taylor-portrait-session-36695.jpg
>
>ionno, features are strong. But models and pretty women
>sometimes have strong features that make you go hmmm..
>
>

you might see the face and wonder

cause she does have strong features IMO. I’m talking facial features

But she has big eye sockets, equal and large lips, high cheekbones, round yet defined jawline. She looks like a tigress, hence the Fade video comment. Like, I'd say Olivia Wilde is another woman with very strong facial features, they're inescapable and very eye catching in a different way than, like, Hayden Panetierre or Kerry Washington who look like pillows


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

and yeah.. she has a hard face, lol.

She looks good.. but its strong and I could definitely see someone being like “ionno fam”

funny story. Met some women from Thailand at a show and they had big ass shoulders, strong handshakes and deep ass voices. They were exchange students and I was like … ehhh, ionno, but their chaperone swore they were women and said everyone keeps asking that question.

My boy was like “lets check the neck…” but they had chokers on, lol.

My homie: I think they are woman
Me: bruh, do what you like but if you have to think about it.. ????

>My homie: I think they are woman
>Me: bruh, do what you like but if you have to think about it.. ????

>and yeah.. she has a hard face, lol.
>
>She looks good.. but its strong and I could definitely see
>someone being like “ionno fam”
>
>funny story. Met some women from Thailand at a show and they
>had big ass shoulders, strong handshakes and deep ass voices.
>They were exchange students and I was like … ehhh, ionno,
>but their chaperone swore they were women and said everyone
>keeps asking that question.
>
>My boy was like “lets check the neck…” but they had
>chokers on, lol.
>
>My homie: I think they are woman
>Me: bruh, do what you like but if you have to think about it..
>????

we had just got off the stage so there was a lot more to pursue that didnt have question marks above their heads.. lol

him: but what if they ARE womensss?
me: but what if they AINT? Are you willing to find out?

him: insert nope gif

I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

I thought it was going to be weird for weird's sake but this was definitely weirdness with a purpose.

It reminded me of the episode of Sopranos where Tony figured out Big Pussyz was a rat during a bout of food poisoning.

I saw it was headed to be an episode about tripping and wasn't that interested because those get kind of predictable.

But yeah tripping and touching on some things bugging you subconsciously is real. Been there.

Cool story telling tricks, cool cameos and cool reveals.
.

I feel like the only person who thought that Perkins episode was weird for weird's sake. I didn't think it was that deep.

I thought this one was kind of deep.

The white woman crying as a performance.

New Jazz speaks to the whole history of black music and Europe. To me that was about selling out and performing for white audiences. His momma wouldn't let him do it.

Liam Neelson was on the nose but it was a wild Convo and love it in the tradition of Atlanta messing with folks like Mike Vick and Katt Williams who got some controversy. Wild for Liam Nielson to say what he said.

I was thinking it was unbelievable in 2022 a smarter rapper to not know anything about owning his master's. The trick was he knew about it, but he wasn't 100% sure if Ern handled it so that he owns his masters and it was eating at his subconscious.


Man the tenses moment of watching this entire series was watching Ern answer the question who owns his master's. I literally did a fist pump when Ern said he did.

And at the end of the day this was a story about a guy missing his momma and how she was the one he trusted to tell the truth. I lost my dad last year and that shit hit differently.

This episode was peak Atlanta for me. Dealing with regular black people issues in a surreal crazy way. There are other shows to tell alot of other stories, but this is a story only Atlanta can tell.








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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

My only criticism of the season is based on loving the main characters and knowing our time left with them is limited, so I’m not trying to see any more episodes where they aren’t there.

Great summary of that episode. That was one of my favorite episodes, period.

>My only criticism of the season is based on loving the main
>characters and knowing our time left with them is limited, so
>I’m not trying to see any more episodes where they aren’t
>there.

I literally just watched that episode and am still processing, but these are the feelings I'm sitting with so far. I might circle back later

i never understand why this is viewed as so finite

you can enjoy those characters over and over and over and over..etc etc

d

I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

>Liam Neelson was on the nose but it was a wild Convo and love
>it in the tradition of Atlanta messing with folks like Mike
>Vick and Katt Williams who got some controversy. Wild for Liam
>Nielson to say what he said.

Would even add Chet Hanks.. not super controversial but pretty direct line with this trini accent and his Jamaican accent stuff

Even when people were referring to him as Chet Hanks I thought they were just joking. Oh yeah they definitely having fun with lightweight canceled people.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

had to google Chet Hanks to find out wtf it meant.

and I think that is part of the joke.

People have way too much time on their hands these days to find reasons to “cancel”
someone or hold people accountable.

at some point we have to get over this shit and realize white people aint changing.. lol.

damn

dying right before it was his time to shine on TV.

God was like NOPE, NAH… I just can’t.

I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

how so much shit ties in, in ep5 when Al’s phone came up missing and Socks was going off on dude on the phone he said he was a white Liam Neesom then Liam Neesom makes an appearance on the show lol

https://youtu.be/7nehtMMbgqw

Which makes me think they recorded one season (10 episodes) with the crew, and did another 10 episodes of stand alone and are mixing them up for the last two seasons.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Dude's dad was kind of an A-hole in regards to helping him apply for loans (this gave me flashbacks of having to fill out the Fafsa Apps by myself every year on a slow ass dial up connection)

LOL @ the council asking a HIGH SCHOOL kid questions about what to mix with Hennessy

George Wallace was such a pleasant surprise.

The scene of the entire school auditioning to be Black had so many gems
(Singing Shai, the 2 Asian guys in the background recreating the Stankonia cover)

That final shot of him looking at the camera out of nowhere was some pure comedy

will watch tonight.

Seeing it was written by Donalod Glover, this one felt personal. DG definitely strikes me as a guy who found his blackness later in life...I just hope he (and his audience) are in on the joke that Being Black is more than pimping hoes and slamming Cadillac doors.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

DG definitely strikes me as a guy who found his
>blackness later in life.

...cuz what the fuck does that even mean? there ain't shit to find. we are not a monolith. he was born Black and there is literally nothing he could do or not to do be any more or less so.

but fine, if you think there is a "definition", you still don't get to define Blackness for anyone but yourself

d

>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"


I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

I am not talking about how someone talks. I am not talking about defining blackness for anyone else. When I mention I found the episode cringey I was specifically talking about jokes about being black means knowing what to mix henny with or defining blackness by getting shot by the police.

You don't need to explain (black'splain?) to me that black people come from all sorts of backgrounds and have all sorts of experiences.

The episode wass tongue in cheek and to a certain extent so is the expression "find their blackness". But to me its about being comfortable in a black environment, in your black skin and confronting issues of race.

I am saying that DG strikes me as a guy who grew up around white kids and was comfortable being the one black kid in the crew (Jordan Peele gives me the same vibes). I could be wrong, but I would bet the kid voted "Most Likely to Write for The Simpsons" probably took a white girl to the Prom.

I know the type because I've been around the type my whole life. My brother who did not grow up with me is the type. My niece is currently the type. When I went to college it was super easy to tell who were the kids who grew up in black environments and the kids who didn't. In college there were black kids who had exclusively black friends, and some who had exclusively white friends (and the rare birds that were harder for me to figure out who seemed to flow effortless from black crowds to white crowds, but they were mostly athletes).

My brother use to get embarrassed when my dad would talk his black power shit. My niece this weekend said we sounded like the KKK because I was talking about how I was encouraging this young brother I know to marry a black woman.

It's a real documented thing, I think you know what I am talking about.

What's interesting is that people DO "find their blackness". After college, my brother didn't have the same paths and doors open for him as his white college friends but he did fall into working on spike lee sets and there for the first time I think he was surrounded by black folks. It was interesting to watch his friend group change over time but he did find a group of black people with similar interest and backgrounds. He even married black which made my pops very happy.

I even have seen it with a lot of the private school black kids I wrote off in college for not being "down" with the black kids in college. I ended up being good friends with a few (admittedly, those are more cases of me being less judgey as I got older then them actually finding their blackness). I also see it differently because now I have kids in private school. All I can say is I spend a lot of time trying to make sure they are comfortable and at home around their people.

Anyway, I've been following DG since his NYU days doing Derrick Comedy. I actually reach out to him while he was in college to see if he was interested in working on a project I was working on but he was already well on his way to making movies (mind you as the one black friend in the movie Mystery Team). But from the stuff he was doing in NYU it was kind of clear he was the black kid with all the white friends. Even his rap albums he seemed like that guy. And he could have made a good career being the black friend on white shows and movies like we saw on Community.

I think anyone who had been following DG's career from the outside will tell you that they were shocked when Atlanta dropped.

It could mean I was wrong about him all along. It also could mean he realized that the best way to make it in Hollywood as a black person is to lean into his blackness. I don't know. I could be wrong...but I will still bet money his prom date was white....like the mother of his three kids.

I'll close out with lyrics from his first album. There is a reason why he has distanced himself from his early rap work.

"Relax, black chick, I think that I have offended thee
Got nothing against the sisters, I just don’t think they’re into me"



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I grew up in the burbs and school was PWI

but after school and summers were Black as hell!!! Black church camps, summer visits with my cousins in the hood, down south or on Long Island.

so college was interesting. Of course I gravitated to my people but I would be at Freaknik one week and the next I could be in Nashville at a concert with the white dude who introduced me to Red Hot Chilli Peppers.

so when I transferred to VCU it was lovely because its 50% white and 50% Black, Brown, Asian, Ethiopian, Rican, Persian, etc..

so I walked away from VCU with a wild cariety of friends but 99% of the real ones were Black folk

as far as DG is concerned. I remember he said the Weeknd and them were like “we didn’t know if you were a real nigga… nigga” when they were on tour. I think DG player the game to perfection or guys like DG and Peele realized they had enough “trust” from white folk to make Black art.

or maybe they simply realized the times we are in and Blackness is “in”

which is why DG keeps talking about Black Panther 2? Does he want that part or is he joking America with the over the top love BP received?

I mean between school and work I've always had white friends and can flow in those environment, but my homebase has always been black.

The whites love my wife and she can kick it with them well, but it would be tough to be with her and couldn't be like, "these racist crackas driving me crazy".

Let me put it to you another way, how many white people were at your wedding?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>"Relax, black chick, I think that I have offended thee
>Got nothing against the sisters, I just don’t think they’re into me"

Damnnnn his interview was interesting

https://www.interviewmagazine.com/culture/donald-glover-interviews-donald-glover

and these random episodes are some of the Blackest shit ever on TV

but I remember a friend from Atlanta was like “this childish dude is aight, he kinda corny but some of his shit hits” lol

With himself no less. But I am the a-hole.

Interesting read. I want my kids to describe me the way he described his dad.

Funny he linked Dr. Umar criticising him. Its go to get under his skin a little bit the talk about his white queen. Good for him to take it on.

It's totally brand new to think DG hasn't been followed with issues around his blackness.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>That final shot of him looking at the camera out of nowhere
>was some pure comedy


"I've never been more attracted to you in my life" (bites lip)


That had me hocking up a loogie

gotdamn.. smh

that last line and the look he gave the camera with Loose Ends playing, excellence.

since you know, in addition to letting you know what loans you qualify for, it also tells you what state and federal GRANTS you will be awarded, and makes you eligible for institution specific scholarships. Lol

Parents who weren't trying to do everything they can to help there kids go to college. I am not talking about necessarily paying for it (but have cousins whose parents could help financially but wouldn't do it on principal) but even not bothering to fill out forms. What is that!??!


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

some parents don’t want their kids to leave home or think of they get a college education they will come home on some bougie bullshit..

and some parents don’t help because they have no fucking clue what to do and feel embarrassed they can’t help financially. Prolly reminds them how broke they are..

shit is sad

like you, i had a few friends whose parents did them the same way

When I was going to college a LOT of folks thought FAFSA put them on the hook, not their kids.

Season finale tonight. I hope we find out what's going on with Van...

The entire time I was waiting on Van to set it off

I was thinking gun fight but the bread was magnifique

she is fucking gorgeous good lord

https://instagram.com/adriyanrae?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

I remember the girl Darius was talking to about the simulation theory at the pool.

but the last time I indulged my curiosity I got a bit more than I bargained for so I'm on a self imposed moratorium.

Straight The Shining vibes

that’s the same white guy who was in the rowboat in the season premiere, and also the guy who killed himself in Season 3’s reparations episode

They needed a producer in the room to tell them "Nah, this is some trash. Let's stick with what worked"

This season was some confused wannabe avant garde mishmash

I kinda respect the lolfuckyouness of it all, but damn

'Cause this felt like somebody with three PhDs trying to keep it funky in the cipher, throw my explicit Midwestern whiteness on top and I've maybe never felt more clueless watching a Black show in all my 33 years LOL


I'm always down for Skarsgaard making a fool of himself too, he's proven weirdly awesome at it in the last five years, but WHAT does he have to do with this episode? I even got all the other stunt casting, but this one?


I half expect Van to not let this accent up once before this episode is over. I'd almost be disappointed if I was wrong.


Edit: Yea, she dropped it, said that Amelie shit and, uh...what?


...What the hell happened here...? Did Donald get an early copy of Elden Ring? "Yes, please I can read them. Your fingers, please, your fingers..."


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

depression/almost killed her self which caused her to run off to Europe, eventually she dissociated into this French personality and chaos ensued

This felt like the sequel to Champagne Papi where she was so unsatisfied with her Life she crashed that Drake Party because she was Jealous of Earn's budding success (her friend from this one was in that one too)

it was just so over the top it was wack af.

all that to let us know she was a waitress serving hands and smashing randoms to keep the dream alive.. lol.

The shows been doing surreal shit since the first season

Certainly the worst from a show that I’ve thought highly of. That was awful.

And now I’m left wanting more

they really took it there.. lol

hands my nigga? really?

I know they were trying to show how far gone she was but this was some bullshit. Beating dude up with a piece of bread… for some hands?

Only thing I liked was the other 3 girls commentary.

“She gonna bring that bread everywhere?”
“I fux with it now”

Shit felt like Van (too lazy to look for her real name) just wanted to slob down a bunch of white dudes so they made this episode.. lol.

but I do think its hilarious when people try to reinvent themselves and someone from their blows their shit up. Had a dude in college who had this exotic ass name. Teacher called him by his government and he was like nah.. its (exotic name). Teacher was like “isn’t that your name… just spelled backwards?

>
>Shit felt like Van (too lazy to look for her real name) just
>wanted to slob down a bunch of white dudes so they made this
>episode.. lol.
>

lol

>but I do think its hilarious when people try to reinvent
>themselves and someone from their blows their shit up. Had a
>dude in college who had this exotic ass name. Teacher called
>him by his government and he was like nah.. its (exotic name).
>Teacher was like “isn’t that your name… just spelled
>backwards?

Was his name Semaj?

and it may have been a different name but a girl in his class had mw rolling when she told the story.

like if it was in place of Trini to Da Bone.

I didn't hate this episode as much as i hate it as a finale. Especially after giving us a penultimate stand-alone (i think the cancel club one was the last time we saw Paperboy and Darius)

But stripping that context, as far as Van-centered episodes, i liked this a lot more than Champaigne Papi and the German town one.
Her episode S1 with her friend and the piss test is still he best one

Niggas acting like this ain't the same show with the invisible car.

I'm sure y'all already googled Tarrare. I thought the way they tied that in to Van's story was dope.

They gonna be back in Atlanta for the last season though so you're welcome.

..the dialogue born of shows like this makes it all worthwhile.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>They gonna be back in Atlanta for the last season though so
>you're welcome.

4 will drop some time this year

on the other Glover has made it clear they don't *have* to do anything.

The peeing was too much for me too.

that i only really know about from Billions and Succession

it's some endangered bird that rich assholes eat.. it's expensive because i believe it's illegal.
they eat the bird whole, and they put napkins over their head as tradition, to hide the shame from god or something.

the hands by themselves don't mean much.

Van's willingness to find out who she is and Tarrare's hunger are similar. Van started off light, hanging out at Drake parties, stealing wigs and pushing niggas in the pool. Tarrare started off digging through trash and eating small rodents.

Based on her antics up to this point, it's safe to say Van has crossed a bunch of lines to be doing what she's doing. Van was free to try and figure out what her life was gonna be past her being a mom to Lottie and that job she had. But she been going extra hard clearly.

Tarrare's appetite was so fucking wild it was believed he ate a toddler. The hands imo was the last line Van hadn't crossed yet. Van was about to start eating children in a few until her friend and Lottie pulled her back from the brink.

To switch subjects a bit, I think some of the jokes are probably way funnier in the writers room (re: pissing). The contrast of Hiro setting up this beautiful shot all the while dude getting pissed on was funny to me.

But actually crafting the technical shit behind the scenes in order to pull that off is probably way funnier to them.

One of my favorite things in all of entertainment is when a writer goes full Stephen Malkmus on their audience and says their version of "I'm glad that song made you think about your life, but it's just about a game of tennis."


IndieWire: So, Tarrare. Was he someone you discovered after writing this episode or did he inspire it somehow?

Stefani Robinson: I found a Wikipedia page on this guy posted on Facebook. There’s this Facebook group, the Cool Freaks’ Wikipedia group, which is just a collection of people posting interesting and weird and freaky Wikipedia articles, and he was one of them. This was a while ago, when I still had Facebook, and I read it and I was just “This is the most insane ” I can’t even really go into the detail of who this guy is, it’s probably better to just look him up. He was a real person but felt very mythical and strange. He was just this guy who ate a ton, but was never satisfied, and stank and had odor vapor rising off of him. And I think at some point there were actual accusations that he was eating people. He’s a French guy.

That was one of the weird things that I had read when we were writing Season 3, which obviously takes place in Europe, and it felt like the right thing to bring up in the writers’ room. I remember coming up earlier on and it just sort of became this person that we all became fascinated by. We had different ways in which we were thinking about trying to incorporate him, but I felt it obviously makes sense for the cannibalism elements in this episode to make that leap, so we got it in there. But if anything, I feel it was more of an inside joke and less anything philosophically related to what was going on.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

>But if anything, I feel it was more of an inside joke and less anything philosophically related to
>what was going on.

so the easiest answer is frustrating

“just fucking with people”

I hated this episode, full stop, so much so it's the only one of the season I watched more than once (three times) with a different co-watcher each time to gauge their opinions.


(They're less opinionated than me overall, but were still what could generically be described as "confused".)


But when I said that I love the Malkmus approach to fans interpreting art, I love it because it's so different from how most media is these days where everything is some kind of tease or hint at a bigger thing, often in large part because the fans have done so much work to imply it could be.


So I kind of loved, as somebody who didn't do the homework before or after the episode on first watch and was absolutely put off by it, that I could've done so and possibly come to entirely different reactions. In a different way than, say, CyrenYoung, I do think that's really cool of Atlanta that it's a Black show about Black issues starring Black actors and it's challenging in the way classically challenging TV can be. On rewatching, I liked the episode a little more each time just because I couldn't help but realize, despite whatever I wanted from this show, this was what they wanted to give me.


I felt like I was the target of the stale baguette, but I'm also wondering a bit more if the stale baguette was the primary metaphor for this entire season.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

It's an old problem for the show. It just always seem that all the black women characters are mad shallow and scheming on dudes for their dollars, except for Van. She seemed to have HAD some real dimensions and seemed more like a real person. This episode actually seemed to walk that back a bit for me.

I was all in for the reinvention in Paris. It was funny. Even the bad accent. Even the beating with the bread. Even the idea that she had created this rich complex life in Paris in like 2 weeks.

But they lost me at the breakdown. They lost me at the speech about suicide. I just didn't buy it. I don't know if it was a performance or writing thing, but it just didn't seem...honest. It didn't connect with anything we had seen to date throughout the series. It seems like an issue they came up with in the writers room to explain what was going on with all the quiky things they had Van doing this season. It didn't seem like it was born out of any of the writer's actual experience. I heard the writer's room has one black woman, and I don't think she has kids. It showed.

I loved New Jazz and was able to ride with the absurdism/realism because (a) they were high and (b) it struck a real chord. They used surrealism to get at some underlying real problems dude was going through which we have seen from the first season.

What's Van's issue again? Can you remember what she said in her speech? I had to watch the scene again to remember. Oh, She felt "off"? She didn't know who she was? Have we seen anything up to this season to suggest being suicidal? There was payoff with Paperboi dealing with issues that have popped up since season 1 in Big Jazz. This felt like, oh shit, the season is wrapping up and we have to do something with Van.


The hand stuff, was just weird for weird's sake. It really felt like a writer's room coming up with some, what's the weirdest thing we could do here. Same with the Pee'ing stuff. It just seemed...immature to me. Just testing what they could get away with.

It was a good season. but it didn't feel like a whole complete season. I am sure it will end strong, glad to hear we don't have to wait years for it.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

especially if they doing the heavy lifting and the father is “co-parenting” which I put in parentheses because some fathers miss 80% of their kids lives but swear that 20% is enough.

I think she hinted at Earns success but I think this is the whole reason she is in Europe. This dude out here gettin it and “no one knows where Earn is” back home.

I wish they really had her go in on her jealousy or frustration of seeing Earn handle biz and how it has her feeling like she fucked up a good thing.

and we all know a “good thing” may not actually even happen IF they stayed together. Some people simply can’t function productively when dating certain people.

I think we are filling in the blanks that its because Earn is doing well and she is struggling because they haven't really shown or said any of that.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I spent most of the episode wondering what was / why was anything happening (I think I said elsewhere I rewatched with two other people two separate times and saw more of the comedy without the curiosity looming over it) and then it gets to that scene...and Zazie really broke me there, I really felt what she was getting at. Especially because I had to empathize rather than relate to a lot of it.

I don't know what it's like to have gotten in a relationship with a hometown homie you never really saw yourself settling with, only to have a child, but then always feel like the better parent, better adult, more interesting person for several years...until suddenly that guy gets to be successful, travel the world, see all these things you have a desire to reconnect with or explore more deeply (see: her guiding his clueless ass through the German festival last season) and yet...you're supposed to just be a working mom back in Atlanta, and it turns out your life is kind of laid out for you in a way that wasn't even fully forced on you, you chose it through both your good and bad choices while this guy...I mean, the Earn in this season is SO different from the first two seasons!

But I can empathize in that sense that in people saw things in me, sometimes I saw them in myself, but at some point I settled into a groove that I thought I was happy with and was proving to somebody *waves hands widely* that I had figured something out. Only now, those people I thought I was proving something to are not only succeeding in other fields or ways of life in ways I find really alien, some of them are even succeeding in THIS field in ways I'm realizing I might not want to match them on. So I get that idea of flailing and that fantasy of creating a new life for yourself, going full Severance and pretending that you can have what that guy, your child's father, has that the world seems to want to deny you.

Again, I can't emphasize enough that I think none of that comes through at all in the rest of the episode, but I've heard a few Black critics strongly, STRONGLY connect to that almost from the jump so I feel like I just have to admit that bit is just something I have to take what I can from it.

But I'm really surprised anybody would watch this episode and think that the bit where Van comes back to reality is the low point of the episode. To me, it was the only bit that tied it to what felt like the thesis of the rest of the season, of losing self-image and self-understanding of what it means to be adult, independent and Black the further from home, or your roots, or what you think is how the world makes sense, you get.


Edit: Also, the more I've read and listened to thoughts on this episode in particular, just wanna shout out CyrenYoung for seeing that this would be an episode (or final trio or so of episodes) that would draw out some really valuable introspection and discussion from people who were willing to accept the show might not want to entertain us all the time. I can't stress enough that I can't be convinced this episode was GOOD, but I can't be convinced Miles Davis' On the Corner (wild, off the cuff first thing I thought of reference) is good either. Doesn't mean it isn't really interesting.


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>RE: absolutely love the show yet totally hated that episode
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Donald Glover Talks ‘Atlanta’ Season 3 Backlash: “It Made Me Very Sad, I Cried”

"I knew season three wasn't easy. We all knew it wasn't easy."


BY MARC GRIFFIN


APRIL 5, 2023 3:39PM


Donald Glover says he cried after Atlanta season 3 received backlash. During an interview with GQ, Glover, 39, spoke about seasons 3 and 4 of his hit FX show and revealed that he knew the third chapter would be challenging to digest for audiences.

“As a product maker, as an entertainer, as an artist, as somebody who loves to make things for people… I’ve studied it enough to understand that things feel good because of what comes before and after them,” he said. “We deserve quality. We deserve something that isn’t easy for everyone to digest all the time.”


“I knew season three wasn’t easy. We all knew it wasn’t easy. We knew opening the season without (any of the cast) was going to make people f**king mad and be like, ‘What the f**k?’ It felt like… you’re climbing, and you’re climbing to get to the top where the light is. And when you get there, you can do whatever dance you want. And that’s what everybody’s fighting for.”

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After the GQ interviewer told the Atlanta native that they liked the third season, Donald shed light on his creative intentions with that specific chapter.


“I think with me specifically, people never give me the benefit of the doubt,” he said. “And I needed to see for me. This has nothing to do with the art, because I made sure that the art was good. But it really was a personal exploration just for me. No one else knows this, but I was like, Did I make it? Did I make it to the Kanye and the Quentin Tarantino and the Scorsese level? I do think people will go back and be like, ‘This season is good.’ I wasn’t ever worried about that.”

“Like with Wes Anderson, there’s different rules. This ni**a never makes money. It’s not about the money. It’s because a certain group of people are like, ‘This is important.’ And I was like, ‘Are Black people at a point now where they can do that on their own?’ It made me very sad, I cried. I did. Not like, ‘You guys, this is really good.’ (Laughs.) It’s like what Prince said when U2 won best album. He was like, ‘If y’all wanted me to make that album, I could have.’ U2 couldn’t make Sign o’ the Times. But I know the character I am in culture and in Black culture—and that it doesn’t feel good coming from me. And also like, I don’t feel good saying sh*t like that. I’d much rather lay on the empathy.”