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Topic subjectthis pro-putin slant of yours is weird. ukraine is a sovereign nation.
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13454066, this pro-putin slant of yours is weird. ukraine is a sovereign nation.
Posted by Reeq, Sun Feb-20-22 05:35 PM
and it was explicitly recognized as a sovereign nation by russia in 1994.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

according to you there are several 'disputed territories' in ukraine that want independence from this sovereign nation.

and according to you (for some odd reason) this is rationalization/justification for *another* country waging war and invading this sovereign nation.

and also according to you...this sovereign nation wanting to join a multinational organization under its own free will...is somehow a logical reason for putin to want to wage war against it.

but werent you just trying to lecture folks on 'american exceptionalism' and clamoring for war?

russia waging war and invading a free country on behalf of separatist territories...isnt that the same as america invading countries like iraq, vietnam, korea, etc on behalf of anti-regime groups, anti-communist allies, 'democracy', etc?

(answer: yes it is lol)

how do you explain away the obvious hypocrisy and contradiction here?

you speak of these russian 'annexes' like corporate mergers lol. these are violent wars and takeovers of other countries. wheres that anti-war anti-imperialist energy from you on russia tho? are the russians fighting for these other peoples freedoms? lol.

and im still waiting for you to elaborate on why youre so critical of everyone *but* the specific person who is initiating this war lol. you accuse everyone else of escalation but putin (who...once again...is the only one massively building up his military on the border of another country). its so weird.

youve taken up this delusional stance that it is everyone elses responsibility to not make putin take militar action that he has already been building up towards for months unprovoked.

you asked if putin wanted ukraine why would he 'only' invade crimea in 2014? what a weird ass question. well...why would he invade crimea at all? lol. once again...your perspective on this is approaching pro-putin gaslighting.

btw...bringing it back...as a condition of ukrainian independence, acknowledgement of its territorial integrity, and freedom from military aggression by russia...ukraine gave russia its nuclear weapons and signed a non-proliferation agreement with countries *including russia*.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

so ukraine unilaterally disarmed itself of the type of weapons that historically deter invasions (with the assurance russia would never attack it). russia violated this clear agreement with the invasion of crimea in 2014 and is on the verge of doing it again.

care to speak on that? (or is it everyone elses fault for making putin violate that agreement lol)